re honouring each other

Mon Nov 30 06:05:40 PST 2009

Pat said --  "even harrison has told stories about the places where he first
learned this piece or that piece of what became the practice of open space.
discovered not invented (ital mine)."

Pat I think you got it mostly right  ("discovered not invented") - but I
believe it is Shaken not stirred.

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Pat Black
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Subject: Re: re honouring each other

Thanks for this Michael.  It resonates for me.

Pat Black

 even harrison has told stories about the places where he first learned this
piece or that piece of what became the practice of open space.  discovered
not invented.  

that's what i think really distinguishes this conversation from so many
others about methods and techniques.  there's a lineage here.  i think the
nature of lineage is equal parts challenge and support, the outside might
look challenging but inside there is also a strong flow of support.  it's
about knowing and not, the past is quite well known and oft-told, but the
future is uncertain, adapting and evolving.  so the only way for lineage to
continue is to balance all of that.  

it's a very active, dynamic process and if you're here, on this list,
learning quietly or contributing vocally, you're already it in.  cuz in the
end, the practice isn't about the lurking or posting, learning or
contributing, it's about each of us navigating for ourselves the edge that
runs between them.  no matter if you've posted or not, if you've considered
posting... or considered NOT posting to something that you would normally
have a stock answer to... then i think you're on that edge, active in this
circle and in this practice.    

m

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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Harold Shinsato <harold at shinsato.com>
wrote:

Dear Michael M,

The "forbidding" aspect of a space with this many listeners for me had
nothing to do with the "size" of people taking up the space as it did the
pure size of the group and the number of listeners who felt like strangers.
True, the power and value of the content and the contributors raised a high
bar, but it's certainly not because it seemed to me like anyone was
"hogging" the space. If anything, this is an amazingly welcoming group for
its size and I'm certain it's because of the Open Space principles. I could
also see that questions were always warmly received and answered, but I
still felt after I joined that I'd better have a really good question to
post before I dared to do so.

It makes it a lot easier for me to post now that I've been in actual Open
Space events with a number of the active contributors. In some ways, the
OpenSpaceWorld.ning.com site also makes it easier to post - because over
there I can see a lot of your faces and it's easier to feel the humanity of
many of those posting - as well as being in smaller circle conversations.
Like they say in writing and speaking classes, know your audience. It just
takes more time with a group with 600+ listeners.

  Harold

Michael M Pannwitz wrote:

Dear Michael Dobbie,
hope you have a great time in Australia and run into many of the os-workers
there! Are you facilitating os-events there or do os-related stuff? I
remember
Since I have always just simply participated in the oslist, the aspect of
being invited never came to my mind. Maybe that contributes to what Harold
(and many, as he states) perceives as "forbidding", fat guys like me taking
up the space.
The "roll call" in process did reveal to me that there are many on the list
who are mostly in the "learning" mode (as in the Law: "I honor a group with
my absence if I neither learn nor contribute. If I learn, I stay, If I
contribute, I stay. But if neither nor, I leave.")
By the way, I noticed that the email you used in your post varies from the
one in your info box in the Open Space World Map...let me know if you would
like to have it adjusted).
Greetings from Berlin
mmp 

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