re honouring each other

Denise Tennen denisetennen at comcast.net
Fri Nov 20 09:09:54 PST 2009


I took the statement "hooray for public chastisement" as being  
delivered with irony.

At least I hope that was what it was.

That said, I personally have always found irony confusing.

Denise
On Nov 20, 2009, at 3:12 AM, Michael Herman wrote:

> this is just stunning.  all i ever said is that i would post  
> anything related to open space that anyone cared to send to me.   
> and that is pretty much what i've done.  at times the site was  
> designed to support public posting, but there was never enough  
> community interest or energy to support that.
>
> somebody called me yesterday and said, "this is why so many leaders  
> won't do open space.  this is exactly what they're afraid will  
> happen.  someone will use the openness of the space to attack  
> existing leadership."
>
> ...and when that happens, if the leader responds (defend, control,  
> or otherwise counters the attacker) he/she is tagged as  
> dominating.  his/her open invitation is called phony.  and he/she  
> is defeated.  if he does not, the false accusations are allowed to  
> stand, and he/she is defeated again.
>
> in the end, open space can not be sustained by those in positions  
> of leadership -- only by the kindness of the every one else.
>
> this is critically important... attacking anyone else, but anyone  
> with any sort of leadership role is particularly vulnerable, closes  
> the space.  that's why the rule is that everyone needs to keep  
> learning and contributing!
>
> i never realized the meaning of this, but now i do recall that in  
> lloyd kepferle's university of kentucky rules for ongoing open  
> space story, in tales from open space, their ten rules addressed  
> this specifically...
>
> Personal empowerment is constrained by the following:
>
>
> When a problem or opportunity is to be discussed, there must be  
> wide notification of the meeting time and place so that anyone who  
> is interested can attend.
> Proposed solutions/ideas must be broadcast widely so that they can  
> be acknowledged as organizational policies, programs, or  
> procedures, or, if they are contradictory to organizational rules,  
> another solution can be sought.
> Proposed solution cannot be hurtful to anyone else.
>
> i've been a member of this list since it started.  we've had some  
> difficult moments, but really surprisngly very few of them.  and i  
> can't remember anything like this.
>
> since when is our practice of invitation about inviting others to  
> speak badly about another person???  hooray for public  
> chastisement? would that be learning or contributing???  this is  
> just insane.
>
> and for what?  because i'm supposedly blocking access to the  
> internet???  this is nuts!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
>
> http://www.michaelherman.com
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>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Kaliya * <identitywoman at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> Lets hear it for public chastisement....!  Hoorah!
>
> I do wish that others of you who have had negative experiences with  
> Michael and the nature of the closed "open" site that he runs would  
> speak up. I understand that you won't but know that I Tree and I  
> are not alone.
>
> There was some dark shadow around this in the community and it is  
> now open. I do feel that Micheal was being "deaf" to what I was  
> saying and spouting back open spacisims rather then addressing the  
> concerns.
>
> I do think that he was/a dictator and dominating and pretending he  
> was not. These are not to me personal attacks from the perspective  
> of naming strongly what I and others have seen unfolding.
>
> These are harsh words to some and I see them as naming what I see  
> happening.
>
> Most of you all around the world have no experience of me or him in  
> real life. sigh.
>
> I hope that in a year we will have a great web presence that is  
> usefully to all and more open.
>
> I love this method it is at the heart of my lively hood - I make  
> the majority of my living using it. It really matters to me that as  
> my work and other people's work spreads and the web becomes more  
> and more important that we have good resources online that look  
> professional and help us all look better to a client base that does  
> and will increasingly look online to see what is legitimate/real/ 
> professional about this wonderful thing we call Open Space.
>
> -Kaliay
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:02 PM, alan at alanhalford.coma.u  
> <alan at alanhalford.com.au> wrote:
> Kaliya*
> my feeling and experience is that if you are being direct, intense  
> and holding onto truth then  personal attacks are not necessary and  
> if fact detract from the directness, intensity and the truth.
> blessings and thank you for the conversation
> alan
>
>
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>
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