re honouring each other

Thu Nov 19 12:49:03 PST 2009

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'm a little late to this conversation but I'd like to add my two cents.
>
> Thank you to all who hold space for the various ways that we are able to
> connect our work to people that need it. And thank you to Michael for the
> tireless work he does on the openspace world website.
>
> No one controls the number one spot in Google. It's all about how many
> people link to you. If you have quality stuff and people link to it you'll
> go higher in the rankings. I have no doubt that the ning site has all the
> potential to be number one and that would be great. But let's be clear that
> there is no way to conspire to keep others out of the top spots.
>
> These strange personal attacks on the list do nothing to advance the
> community's work. It is highly out of character for this community to engage
> like this. I know everyone involved in this dispute personally and I am
> having a hard time ascribing motives or squaring what I am reading with what
> i know of these people personally.
>
> We can all be prickly at times but is this a fight that is necessary to
> have?
>

Yes.

It got some things out in the open and on the table.
Clarity about who owns and controls what and how they "really" want to
manage/hold things on behalf of the community.

Now that things are clearer we have more options - more openness - rather
then being stuck in what was a dysfunctional default (the way it always
was).

I realized in working with a journalism focused group that the tech industry
has a "higher normative conflict level" then many other professional fields.

The primary community that I facilitate open space for in that world - the
Internet Identity Workshop - http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com is
going into it's 10th meeting this coming May.  The largest tech companies on
the web are all in there and all in sort of ongoing "perma-conflict" re how
things will evolve and they all love each other and cooperate with each
other.

I am sorry if this dialogue has made those of you who as facilitators are
conflict averse feel "uncomfortable" but it is through naming and
challenging and getting clarity about what people really mean and what their
intentions are that we can move forward.

-Kaliya

>
> With gratitude for passion bounded by responsibility.
>
> Chris
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>
> On 2009-11-18, at 3:18, Tree Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> For what it is worth, I experience Kaliya's comments as powerful, even
> courageous efforts to open space.
>
> For what it is worth, I experience Michael's comments as name-calling,
> denigrating, invalidating, dishonoring. I find myself wishing he would make
> less attack statements and more 'I' statements, telling us what he thinks
> and feels without attacking others shared thoughts and feelings.
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Karen Sella < <karen at luminacoaching.com>
> karen at luminacoaching.com> wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, I experienced all the comments from Michael and
>> others
>> as adding useful perspectives to the conversation--not invalidating or
>> dishonoring... just sharing yet another perspective.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Karen
>>
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>> OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kathie
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>> Subject: [OSLIST] re honouring each other
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>> Hi Everyone,
>> I have been following this community for a while and will soon start
>> sharing info. Many thanks for all the enlivening info. I am grateful.
>> I feel the need to speak in response to Michael's comments re Kaliya's
>> thoughts.
>> OST is about staying open and positive and welcoming of all perspectives
>> and ideas, as I experience it. Critiquing and judging and saying "no" to
>> ideas stops the new, constantly self-emerging outflowing of ideas that is
>> creating a continual shared meaning among us all that excites me to no
>> end.
>>
>> All of Kaliya's ideas are valid.
>>
>> Michael, may I suggest you own your own ideas more powerfully by using
>> phrases like "in my opinion" or using the pronoun "I" rather than "you"
>> when you share your own ideas.
>>
>> ...and on with the OST dance,
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Kathie Wallace
>> Vancouver, BC, Canada
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