The new Ning community - some central questions

[Steve Cochran]

Perhaps:

   - Whoever comes are the right people
   - Whatever happens is the only thing that could have


On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) <
holger at change-facilitation.org> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> unfortunately, systems are not that advanced. And OSList has no
> export/import function such as RSS feed functionality. Maybe somebody can
> code a solution but I doubt very much. You need to understand that
> activities at Ning are decentralized - as I am writing, there are already
> 15
> subgroups - a Swedish, a Dutch, a Portuguese, a Spanish, a German; groups
> about how to promote OS in corporations, about documenting dialogue, about
> pre-work, etc. Then, there are personal discussions, general comments etc.
> Even if it is technically possible, I don't see how this all can be
> summarized. In social media like Ning, you follow your passion and you just
> receive updates by email or RSS feed on issues you care about.
>
> It might be easier to export the OSList to Ning but I don't know yet how.
>
> So, do we have to live with the split, or is it tome for a change? In the
> last 24 hours, the Ning group by 100%; there are now 94 members, many who
> haven't been part of this list.
>
> Let us observe what happens next and then have a dialogue about which tool
> serves the community best.
>
> Daily email can be done - if people commit themselves, and I am happy to
> take turns; but not every day. Will open a new thread in a moment.
>
> Love,
> Holger
>
> Regards
> Holger
>
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:06:42 -0600, Michael Herman
> <michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:
>
> >suzanne, what i'm suggesting (asking, really) is that the oslist (all of
> us,
> >myself included, who won't be, for the moment anyway, actively ninging)
> >could receive a daily digest of postings that happen at ning.  if this was
> >workable, ning-ers would get full functionality of that space and go nuts
> >with it.  and we only-oslist-ers could get a single daily email, so we
> could
> >listen in on what's developing.
> >
> >this seems to serve many needs and interests, without drawing any hard
> >lines.  it keeps everyone together, expanding without dividing.  inviting
> >without imposing.
> >
> >the big question is... what sort of output could be generated from ning,
> >directed to a (gmail?) account, or even an openspaceworld.org account,
> that
> >would simply forward it to the oslist for us.
> >
> >hope this clarifies, suzanne.
> >
> >and to holger, or lisa or artur or anybody else already on planet ning...
> >will they let you pump out some sort of daily email of what's happening
> >there?
> >
> >m
> >
> >--
> >
> >Michael Herman
> >Michael Herman Associates
> >
> >http://www.michaelherman.com
> >http://www.ronanparktrail.com
> >http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org
> >http://www.openspaceworld.org
> >
> >312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >
> >
> >On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Suzanne Daigle <sdaigle4 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael, For me, for now the oslist is the place that I still want to
> call
> >> "home".  It feels just right for its purpose -- a place to gain insights
> and
> >> share happenings  from a global community in the moment.  Not too many
> >> emails or at least I can easily skip and delete it off my blackberry
> knowing
> >> it's waiting for me in my gmail inbox.
> >>
> >> The new "ning" space of the Open Space community, of the Unleashing
> >> Leadership  event in Canada  last week and the Taiwan OS event before
> that
> >> are the places that I will want to visit occasionally to engage in more
> >> intimate conversations on a specific topic perhaps, to see photos, to
> say hi
> >> to people I know. In time, I may feel differently.
> >>
> >> As you describe it below, is there a risk that I'd get tons more emails
> via
> >> os list by adding Ning alerts?  Or is what you describe below a decision
> >> that I can choose to make on my own:  keep oslist separate or combine it
> >> myself with Ning?
> >>
> >> Suzanne
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Michael Herman <
> michael at michaelherman.com
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> i am amazed and delighted to hear that ning has so many signing on so
> >>> quickly.  earlier this morning i have added a link to the ning site
> from the
> >>> homepage of openspaceworld.org.  when the announcement came out
> >>> yesterday, i blogged it at osw as well, but forgot to make the homepage
> >>> link.
> >>>
> >>> so to your question about oslist vs. ning discussion platform,
> holger...
> >>> here is how it might be accomplished... simply make one list a member
> of the
> >>> other.  this does require making one primary to the other, because
> without
> >>> this decision the work around will cause permanently circular bouncing
> >>> replies.  maybe 'primary' isn't quite right.  it's really a question of
> >>> where the action will be and where the action will be also reported.
> >>>
> >>> for instance, set up a gmail account that receives all the ning
> activity
> >>> and forwards it to the oslist, as a member of the list.  oslist members
> >>> would then be able to see all of the postings, probably best in some
> sort of
> >>> digest form, at the new ning space.  so you could use the ning space,
> but
> >>> report everything through gmail back to the list.  this would, in
> effect,
> >>> create a running invitation to the ning group.
> >>>
> >>> i'm not familiar with the mechanics of the ning platform, but obviously
> >>> there is more there than email list.  it seems impractical to not use
> the
> >>> ning discussion tools in concert with whatever other tools are there.
>  you
> >>> could use the same forwarding membership mechanism to report everything
> >>> happening on oslist to the ning group(s), but i think that doesn't work
> as
> >>> well.  it doesn't make sense for oslist to be continually dangling that
> >>> invitation into the ning community.  the direction of flow seems to be
> from
> >>> oslist to ning, opening into a bigger, fuller-featured space.  google
> wave
> >>> might very well be the next opening after that, but ning is happening
> right
> >>> now.
> >>>
> >>> so the key point seems to be that we can move into new spaces without
> >>> destroying or abandoning the old things that have served us so well, so
> >>> far.  i will come back to this in the other thread, perhaps yet today.
>  but
> >>> for now, i'd propose one way forward is to use all of ning and make
> oslist a
> >>> member so that the list collectively can see what is happening.
>  running
> >>> this through a separate osw-ning at gmail.com email address would make
> ning
> >>> alerts easy to spot (to read or ignore) and  a daily digest function
> seems
> >>> essential so as not to blow up the oslist.
> >>>
> >>> m
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Michael Herman
> >>> Michael Herman Associates
> >>>
> >>> http://www.michaelherman.com
> >>> http://www.ronanparktrail.com
> >>> http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org
> >>> http://www.openspaceworld.org
> >>>
> >>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <wendy at xe.net
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi friends,
> >>>> I'm just starting to explore and learn Google Wave.  I think there are
> a
> >>>> few of you out there a bit ahead of me on the curve for that.  Isn't
> >>>> integration of these various info streams what it is designed to do?
>  Once
> >>>> it's out of beta, won't those who choose to use it be able to pull
> OSList,
> >>>> facebook, twitter, ning, etc streams into one OS wave?
> >>>>
> >>>> I support open source solutions in parallel with commercial solutions,
> >>>> and also recognize that they take not only passion, but money, time,
> and
> >>>> expertise as forms of responsibility in order to realize them.  If
> this
> >>>> conversation results in a group forming to create that for our
> community I
> >>>> will gladly support it with my participation as that is the only form
> of
> >>>> responsibility i currently have available to contribute.
> >>>>
> >>>> Many communities are having this conversation.  The explosion of
> social
> >>>> media has created tremendous diversity and the potential that
> accompanies
> >>>> that.  The conversations over which tool, which platform, etc are
> raging all
> >>>> over the place.  What I see beginning to emerge is a recognition of
> the new
> >>>> need to help users make the most of this diversity by creating tools
> that
> >>>> allow for the integration and management of these diverse information
> flows
> >>>> rather than the monopolization and control of them.
> >>>>
> >>>> What has always mattered most to me about OSList and why i continue to
> >>>> read and contribute as i can, is that it continues to be the most
> accessible
> >>>> platform for a global audience.  There are many out there who still
> don't
> >>>> have the kind of connectivity and bandwidth that most of the new tools
> >>>> require.  It matters to me that some of the most vital conversations
> about
> >>>> OS happen in a forum that the lowest tech amongst us can access.  (And
> there
> >>>> are a number of us out here who keep our own archival copies of
> everything
> >>>> that happens here.  So if the main archive was suddenly shut down, i'm
> sure
> >>>> it wouldn't take us very long to stitch together a new one elsewhere.)
>  I am
> >>>> also aware of the fact that this conversation happens in English and
> of the
> >>>> colonial history and privilege of that.  So i support the emergence of
> an
> >>>> online space where we can see conversations happening in other
> languages
> >>>> simultaneously.  The Ning platform appears to be doing that at this
> time, so
> >>>> i feel glad in my heart to see that.
> >>>>
> >>>> And please, while we have this conversation, would we keep our respect
> >>>> and care for each other uppermost.  I try to always envision us
> sitting
> in a
> >>>> circle together in an OS space having these conversations.  To hold
> each
> >>>> precious presence with care matters to me.  Whether i agree with you
> or
> not,
> >>>> like you or not, have been hurt or harmed by you or not, is
> irrelevant.  I
> >>>> still hold each of you essential to our community.  I support the call
> for
> >>>> an end to personal attacks and a return to responsibly stated personal
> >>>> contributions. Email can be a hard medium for passionate conversation.
> It's
> >>>> easy to be misunderstood and misunderstand.
> >>>>
> >>>> Love to all,
> >>>> Wendy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 18-Nov-09, at 1:54 AM, Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation)
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  It is really fascinating to see how quick the new Ning group is
> growing
> >>>>> (http://openspaceworld.ning.com/). I predict that in 2 weeks, we
> will
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> like 200-300 members, and growing. In particular I like that we will
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> country specific subgroups, and that might be the main focus of the
> Ning
> >>>>> group in the future. But it might also be that it will become the
> major
> >>>>> platform for our community.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, the Ning group raises a central question: in case, the group
> >>>>> will
> >>>>> convert into a major network platform for the OS community, what will
> >>>>> happen
> >>>>> with the OS Mailing List?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I have posted on the Ning today, I vote for maintaining this
> Listserv
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> quite a while, and continuing to use this as the main discussion
> forum.
> >>>>> People got used to it, and in my experience, the OS folks are among
> the
> >>>>> most
> >>>>> change resistant people that I have met in my life.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In order not to divide the stream of discussion, I am in favour not
> to
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> a discussion feature at the Ning platform (or, only for the
> subgroups).
> >>>>> Otherwise, people will be quite confused on where to post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I hope that in future all the national / language specific groups
> will
> >>>>> move
> >>>>> to the Ning platform (however, in the German community there is some
> >>>>> strong
> >>>>> resistance to that).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What I would love to see is an integration of this list with the Ning
> >>>>> platform. The ideal would be that one can post from here and it
> appears
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> the Ning platform and the other way round. I am pretty sure that this
> is
> >>>>> technically feasible but I have no idea how. It seems that the
> Listserv
> >>>>> does
> >>>>> not support RSS feeds (and I am not sure whether RSS feeds are the
> >>>>> solution,
> >>>>> probably not).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If we would agree that integration is a good step, I would do some
> >>>>> further
> >>>>> research and also engage a developer to help us out. Ideas?
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> The moment of change is the only poem. -- Adrienne Rich
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> >>
> >> --
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