<p>Perhaps:</p>
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<li>Whoever comes are the right people</li>
<li>Whatever happens is the only thing that could have </li></ul>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:holger@change-facilitation.org">holger@change-facilitation.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Michael,<br><br>unfortunately, systems are not that advanced. And OSList has no<br>export/import function such as RSS feed functionality. Maybe somebody can<br>
code a solution but I doubt very much. You need to understand that<br>activities at Ning are decentralized - as I am writing, there are already 15<br>subgroups - a Swedish, a Dutch, a Portuguese, a Spanish, a German; groups<br>
about how to promote OS in corporations, about documenting dialogue, about<br>pre-work, etc. Then, there are personal discussions, general comments etc.<br>Even if it is technically possible, I don't see how this all can be<br>
summarized. In social media like Ning, you follow your passion and you just<br>receive updates by email or RSS feed on issues you care about.<br><br>It might be easier to export the OSList to Ning but I don't know yet how.<br>
<br>So, do we have to live with the split, or is it tome for a change? In the<br>last 24 hours, the Ning group by 100%; there are now 94 members, many who<br>haven't been part of this list.<br><br>Let us observe what happens next and then have a dialogue about which tool<br>
serves the community best.<br><br>Daily email can be done - if people commit themselves, and I am happy to<br>take turns; but not every day. Will open a new thread in a moment.<br><br>Love,<br>Holger<br><br>Regards<br>Holger<br>
<br>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:06:42 -0600, Michael Herman<br><<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>>suzanne, what i'm suggesting (asking, really) is that the oslist (all of us,<br>
>myself included, who won't be, for the moment anyway, actively ninging)<br>>could receive a daily digest of postings that happen at ning. if this was<br>>workable, ning-ers would get full functionality of that space and go nuts<br>
>with it. and we only-oslist-ers could get a single daily email, so we could<br>>listen in on what's developing.<br>><br>>this seems to serve many needs and interests, without drawing any hard<br>>lines. it keeps everyone together, expanding without dividing. inviting<br>
>without imposing.<br>><br>>the big question is... what sort of output could be generated from ning,<br>>directed to a (gmail?) account, or even an <a href="http://openspaceworld.org/" target="_blank">openspaceworld.org</a> account, that<br>
>would simply forward it to the oslist for us.<br>><br>>hope this clarifies, suzanne.<br>><br>>and to holger, or lisa or artur or anybody else already on planet ning...<br>>will they let you pump out some sort of daily email of what's happening<br>
>there?<br>><br>>m<br>><br>>--<br>><br>>Michael Herman<br>>Michael Herman Associates<br>><br>><a href="http://www.michaelherman.com/" target="_blank">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br>><a href="http://www.ronanparktrail.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ronanparktrail.com</a><br>
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>312-280-7838 (mobile)<br>><br>><br>>On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Suzanne Daigle <<a href="mailto:sdaigle4@gmail.com">sdaigle4@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Michael, For me, for now the oslist is the place that I still want to call<br>
>> "home". It feels just right for its purpose -- a place to gain insights and<br>>> share happenings from a global community in the moment. Not too many<br>>> emails or at least I can easily skip and delete it off my blackberry knowing<br>
>> it's waiting for me in my gmail inbox.<br>>><br>>> The new "ning" space of the Open Space community, of the Unleashing<br>>> Leadership event in Canada last week and the Taiwan OS event before that<br>
>> are the places that I will want to visit occasionally to engage in more<br>>> intimate conversations on a specific topic perhaps, to see photos, to say hi<br>>> to people I know. In time, I may feel differently.<br>
>><br>>> As you describe it below, is there a risk that I'd get tons more emails via<br>>> os list by adding Ning alerts? Or is what you describe below a decision<br>>> that I can choose to make on my own: keep oslist separate or combine it<br>
>> myself with Ning?<br>>><br>>> Suzanne<br>>><br>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Michael Herman <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelherman.com">michael@michaelherman.com</a><br>>> > wrote:<br>
>><br>>>> i am amazed and delighted to hear that ning has so many signing on so<br>>>> quickly. earlier this morning i have added a link to the ning site from the<br>>>> homepage of <a href="http://openspaceworld.org/" target="_blank">openspaceworld.org</a>. when the announcement came out<br>
>>> yesterday, i blogged it at osw as well, but forgot to make the homepage<br>>>> link.<br>>>><br>>>> so to your question about oslist vs. ning discussion platform, holger...<br>>>> here is how it might be accomplished... simply make one list a member of the<br>
>>> other. this does require making one primary to the other, because without<br>>>> this decision the work around will cause permanently circular bouncing<br>>>> replies. maybe 'primary' isn't quite right. it's really a question of<br>
>>> where the action will be and where the action will be also reported.<br>>>><br>>>> for instance, set up a gmail account that receives all the ning activity<br>>>> and forwards it to the oslist, as a member of the list. oslist members<br>
>>> would then be able to see all of the postings, probably best in some sort of<br>>>> digest form, at the new ning space. so you could use the ning space, but<br>>>> report everything through gmail back to the list. this would, in effect,<br>
>>> create a running invitation to the ning group.<br>>>><br>>>> i'm not familiar with the mechanics of the ning platform, but obviously<br>>>> there is more there than email list. it seems impractical to not use the<br>
>>> ning discussion tools in concert with whatever other tools are there. you<br>>>> could use the same forwarding membership mechanism to report everything<br>>>> happening on oslist to the ning group(s), but i think that doesn't work as<br>
>>> well. it doesn't make sense for oslist to be continually dangling that<br>>>> invitation into the ning community. the direction of flow seems to be from<br>>>> oslist to ning, opening into a bigger, fuller-featured space. google wave<br>
>>> might very well be the next opening after that, but ning is happening right<br>>>> now.<br>>>><br>>>> so the key point seems to be that we can move into new spaces without<br>>>> destroying or abandoning the old things that have served us so well, so<br>
>>> far. i will come back to this in the other thread, perhaps yet today. but<br>>>> for now, i'd propose one way forward is to use all of ning and make oslist a<br>>>> member so that the list collectively can see what is happening. running<br>
>>> this through a separate <a href="mailto:osw-ning@gmail.com">osw-ning@gmail.com</a> email address would make ning<br>>>> alerts easy to spot (to read or ignore) and a daily digest function seems<br>>>> essential so as not to blow up the oslist.<br>
>>><br>>>> m<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>><br>>>> Michael Herman<br>>>> Michael Herman Associates<br>>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.michaelherman.com/" target="_blank">http://www.michaelherman.com</a><br>>>> <a href="http://www.ronanparktrail.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ronanparktrail.com</a><br>>>> <a href="http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org/" target="_blank">http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.openspaceworld.org/" target="_blank">http://www.openspaceworld.org</a><br>>>><br>>>> 312-280-7838 (mobile)<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Wendy Farmer-O'Neil <<a href="mailto:wendy@xe.net">wendy@xe.net</a>>wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>>> Hi friends,<br>>>>> I'm just starting to explore and learn Google Wave. I think there are a<br>>>>> few of you out there a bit ahead of me on the curve for that. Isn't<br>
>>>> integration of these various info streams what it is designed to do? Once<br>>>>> it's out of beta, won't those who choose to use it be able to pull OSList,<br>>>>> facebook, twitter, ning, etc streams into one OS wave?<br>
>>>><br>>>>> I support open source solutions in parallel with commercial solutions,<br>>>>> and also recognize that they take not only passion, but money, time, and<br>>>>> expertise as forms of responsibility in order to realize them. If this<br>
>>>> conversation results in a group forming to create that for our community I<br>>>>> will gladly support it with my participation as that is the only form of<br>>>>> responsibility i currently have available to contribute.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Many communities are having this conversation. The explosion of social<br>>>>> media has created tremendous diversity and the potential that accompanies<br>>>>> that. The conversations over which tool, which platform, etc are<br>
raging all<br>>>>> over the place. What I see beginning to emerge is a recognition of the new<br>>>>> need to help users make the most of this diversity by creating tools that<br>>>>> allow for the integration and management of these diverse information flows<br>
>>>> rather than the monopolization and control of them.<br>>>>><br>>>>> What has always mattered most to me about OSList and why i continue to<br>>>>> read and contribute as i can, is that it continues to be the most<br>
accessible<br>>>>> platform for a global audience. There are many out there who still don't<br>>>>> have the kind of connectivity and bandwidth that most of the new tools<br>>>>> require. It matters to me that some of the most vital conversations about<br>
>>>> OS happen in a forum that the lowest tech amongst us can access. (And<br>there<br>>>>> are a number of us out here who keep our own archival copies of everything<br>>>>> that happens here. So if the main archive was suddenly shut down, i'm sure<br>
>>>> it wouldn't take us very long to stitch together a new one elsewhere.)<br> I am<br>>>>> also aware of the fact that this conversation happens in English and of the<br>>>>> colonial history and privilege of that. So i support the emergence of an<br>
>>>> online space where we can see conversations happening in other languages<br>>>>> simultaneously. The Ning platform appears to be doing that at this<br>time, so<br>>>>> i feel glad in my heart to see that.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> And please, while we have this conversation, would we keep our respect<br>>>>> and care for each other uppermost. I try to always envision us sitting<br>in a<br>>>>> circle together in an OS space having these conversations. To hold each<br>
>>>> precious presence with care matters to me. Whether i agree with you or<br>not,<br>>>>> like you or not, have been hurt or harmed by you or not, is irrelevant. I<br>>>>> still hold each of you essential to our community. I support the call for<br>
>>>> an end to personal attacks and a return to responsibly stated personal<br>>>>> contributions. Email can be a hard medium for passionate conversation. It's<br>>>>> easy to be misunderstood and misunderstand.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> Love to all,<br>>>>> Wendy<br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>><br>>>>> On 18-Nov-09, at 1:54 AM, Holger Nauheimer (Change Facilitation) wrote:<br>
>>>><br>>>>> It is really fascinating to see how quick the new Ning group is growing<br>>>>>> (<a href="http://openspaceworld.ning.com/" target="_blank">http://openspaceworld.ning.com/</a>). I predict that in 2 weeks, we will<br>
>>>>> have<br>>>>>> like 200-300 members, and growing. In particular I like that we will<br>>>>>> have<br>>>>>> country specific subgroups, and that might be the main focus of the Ning<br>
>>>>> group in the future. But it might also be that it will become the major<br>>>>>> platform for our community.<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> However, the Ning group raises a central question: in case, the group<br>
>>>>> will<br>>>>>> convert into a major network platform for the OS community, what will<br>>>>>> happen<br>>>>>> with the OS Mailing List?<br>>>>>><br>
>>>>> As I have posted on the Ning today, I vote for maintaining this Listserv<br>>>>>> for<br>>>>>> quite a while, and continuing to use this as the main discussion forum.<br>
>>>>> People got used to it, and in my experience, the OS folks are among the<br>>>>>> most<br>>>>>> change resistant people that I have met in my life.<br>>>>>><br>
>>>>> In order not to divide the stream of discussion, I am in favour not to<br>>>>>> have<br>>>>>> a discussion feature at the Ning platform (or, only for the subgroups).<br>>>>>> Otherwise, people will be quite confused on where to post.<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> I hope that in future all the national / language specific groups will<br>>>>>> move<br>>>>>> to the Ning platform (however, in the German community there is some<br>
>>>>> strong<br>>>>>> resistance to that).<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> What I would love to see is an integration of this list with the Ning<br>>>>>> platform. The ideal would be that one can post from here and it appears<br>
>>>>> in<br>>>>>> the Ning platform and the other way round. I am pretty sure that this is<br>>>>>> technically feasible but I have no idea how. It seems that the Listserv<br>>>>>> does<br>
>>>>> not support RSS feeds (and I am not sure whether RSS feeds are the<br>>>>>> solution,<br>>>>>> probably not).<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> If we would agree that integration is a good step, I would do some<br>
>>>>> further<br>>>>>> research and also engage a developer to help us out. Ideas?<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> *<br>>>>>> *<br>>>>>> ==========================================================<br>
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