Come join us at Open Space Technology World Community Ning site!!
Kaliya
identitywoman at gmail.com
Tue Nov 17 00:06:00 PST 2009
My passion is for an open transparent "open space world" site that is
collaboratively run.
Some coherent well thoughtout community deliberated strategy for our
online life - that includes adoption of open platforms and open
standards.
I am naming a dysfunction a disruption in "the field of openness" in 2
ways
1. Choosing a closed proprietary commercial place for the global
community to be invited to by world wide leaders.
2. That you Michael are dominating and controlling of a community
asset and blocking progress on updating and opening it.
If you can't hear that and actually repond to these points rather then
pointing back at me "re my passion" then I guess you are deaf.
-kaliya
Kaliya
www.identitywoman.net
On Nov 16, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Michael Herman
<michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:
> i think you're forgetting two things, kaliya.
>
> first, nobody is or can be "bringing the community" anywhere.
> anyone can invite all of us to anywhere and each of us will make our
> own choices about showing up. no bringing at all.
>
> second, the open space institute is not responsible for your passion
> -- but you could be. if you think something's missing on the great
> ost wall of the internet, just post it up there yourself. you
> certainly have the vision and skills to create the things you want
> to see. just go do it.
>
> as for ownership of stuff like ning content... have you ever noticed
> that we don't actually own our 13+ years of oslist content? but if
> they closed us down tomorrow (and this really did *almost* happen a
> little while back), i'm sure we'd be back together again someplace
> else in a matter of days.
>
> meanwhile, we do already have dozens of community sites and sub-
> sites in this community, each one the product of personal passion
> bounded by responsibility. and then a bunch of individual sites
> that offer even more. i rather like that our web presence is so big
> and open that anyone can make an offering and be part of it, and
> that the whole of it is so much bigger than any single site or
> institute. we're bigger, too, than your proverbial bus.
>
> m
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> --
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> Michael Herman
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> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Kaliya * <identitywoman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> While appreciate the invitation to this space.
>
> I really object to bringing the community to private service. The
> company NING is just like facebook or myspace it is managed and
> controlled ultimately by a corporation.
>
> It is closed source (the code that is used underlying the site is
> owned and not viewable by us).
>
> The data of our use and the people on it - it is not clear about
> where it goes.
>
> The community life all the information is "stuck" in the system - it
> is not using open standards - so that at some point we wanted to
> leave NING we could.
>
> Ning does not have open standards avaliable for the activities on
> the site and HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY of the conversations
> around developing or adopting those under development for social
> activities on the web.
>
> There is NO Reason to do this.
>
> I think it would be much more responsible to get a REAL COMMUNITY
> LIFE AROUND
>
> 1) A WIKI that is build on an open source "mainstream" wiki.
> 2) A BLOG with community members contributing to and with different
> members free to start their own blogs
> 3) A robust commenting system
> 4) A twitter strategy for lists and community connections in that
> medium.
>
> ALL of the above can be built on open source tools
> On servers that we manage and control. ( Or in the cloud but on our
> terms and we can move to a new service if we don't like. )
>
> No corporate entity can choose to turn it off. We "own" it.
>
> All of the above can implement a common way to let members of the
> community login across all of them with one login/password using
> OpenID.
>
> NING HAS NOT PLANS to Implement OpenID - (or any of the other
> standards)
> http://developer.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=1185512%3ATopic%3A11361
>
>
> I have been talking about this for well over a year but apparently
> there is no movement by the Open Space institute by the actually
> developing the community tools in community.
>
>
> Kaliya * <identitywoman at gmail.com>
> To: OSLIST <OSLIST at listserv.boisestate.edu>
> Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:10 PM
>
> Lisa just pinged me about this e-mail on the list and asked I respond.
> I don't have time until next week to surface and comment fully. I on
> the 4th day of 12 days in a row of "traditional" conferences that I
> attending as a participant speaker.
>
>
> At the core of a comment I made in response to a request for a
> donation to the OSI USA.
> I would like to see the core community site have:
> * a mainstream wiki that has broad access rights. (this is an
> editable website) yes there is currently a wiki - and no it is not a
> current mainstream wiki platform (there for has a non-normal syntax)
> and it has restricted access rights.
> * an aggregation of blogs and another one for microblogging for
> practitioners that pulls in the feeds from all the things that
> practitioners publish in these formats aggregated (via RSS) into one
> space (example from my technical community is Planet Identity (http://www.planetidentity.org
> )
> * admin access rights and responsibility held by several people (not
> just one person who if hit by a truck basically limits capacity of
> the whole community to function).
>
> -Kaliya
>
> TECHNOLOGY strategy for this community should be done in an open
> transparent way.
>
> It should use "the best of" open source (this is very different then
> "free tools" that are closed source and corporate owned with "them
> untimately in control) and focus on using open standards where
> possible.
>
> It should be developed in a way that includes the wisdom of those of
> us with tech backgrounds and done in a way that explains our
> decisions to smart people who are "not techies" so they understand
> the decisions/strategies and agree they are in alignment with the
> community values and vision.
>
>
> global proceedings aggregator?
> Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com> Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at
> 11:54 PM
> Reply-To: OSLIST <OSLIST at listserv.boisestate.edu>
> To: OSLIST at listserv.boisestate.edu
> here's a new one, i think. for the techies among us.
>
> how would you capture proceedings if you were to have, say, dozens, or
> even hundreds of events convened simultaneously and you wanted
> everybody everywhere to be able to post their proceedings into one
> central place. everybody except spammers, of course. videos can be
> posted to youtube and tagged. photos to flickr. but what about the
> text proceedings? and there is also the issue of a directory of event
> locations. hoping this wouldn't require a dedicated
> application/platform. here are some ideas.
>
> -listserve like yahoo or google group - non-public is a downside
> -facebook group - non-public is downside here too
> -wiki - might be too complex for rapid scale-up
> -blog - might be coolest, but might require moderation
> -twitter - might there be a way to collect only the issues raised
> everywhere? tagged by location, perhaps? could happen more places
> cuz could send from cellphones?
> -blog - could make a post or page for every event reported and then
> let them post comments.
> -just get everyone to start their own simple, free blog and use a blog
> aggregator... might miss a lot of sites.
> -google docs?
> -blog with a single "guest/contributor" username and password,
> publicly posted, with user only allowed to post reports, tagging for
> author and location within the post?
>
> ...this last option might be best, but then we get to the question of
> what if it all really works and folks wanted to post some stream of
> ongoing results and actions. could happen. so the system might want
> to support that.
>
> anything else you can think of out there in social networking space
> that could support such a thing?
>
> i think i like the twitter option, but have no idea if it can be made
> to function in this way. could all of this be aimed at a single
> twitter name, or just tagged with a single twitter tag? and somehow
> captured in a way taht was searchable and scrollable long after the
> first events occured?
> then there's the scenario where somehow we get to hack up a new
> version of the world map <grin>.
> so that's as far as i can guess, and maybe even a little past that.
> thoughts?
> many thanks,
>
> m
>
> I read now that someone wrote in this thread "that NING does all
> this" I should have brought forward these concerns then and perhaps
> get movement going in an open direction. I am sorry i didn't track
> that thread. When I popped up and made the preceding comment I
> prefaced it saying I was in the middle of conference season.
>
> You are all in luck. I just "finished" my unconference season and
> have time to actually give to the communities I love and care about.
>
> I appreciate the care and attention that Artur Silva (Portugal),
> Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA) have put forward to do this.
>
> I get that it was a utilitarian choice and was not informed by
> deeper issues and values choices that are being made by using closed
> source, proprietary and non-open standards based tools. It was only
> done in love with the best intentions. I feel I have to speak up
> because I am technologically literate particularly in this area
> about openness and standards - it is where my core open space
> facilitation work is - with communities developing an open layer of
> the web that is social and community driven.
>
> I hope that I can work with others in the community who want to make
> the most open choices possible and a collaborative on a future
> looking online/tech strategy for the community.
>
> Regards,
> -Kaliya
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Lisa Heft
> <lisaheft at openingspace.net> wrote:
> Artur Silva (Portugal), Shufang Tsai (Taiwan) and Lisa Heft (USA)
> welcome you to join us at the:
>
> Open Space World Community Ning site
> A gathering place for sharing, learning, resources and community.
>
> -- create and host or join a regional group in your own language
> -- see the photos of members - including your wonderful OSLIST
> colleagues
> -- post links to photos, videos, tweets or blogs
> -- create calendar listings for your events
> -- post and share resources
> -- create or join a theme-based group about whatever you would like!
> -- engage in live chat.
>
> This co-created Ning web portal for all things Open Space is a
> compliment to the rich and welcoming dialogue of OSLIST and all our
> web-based resources such as openspaceworld.org
> It is free.
> Come and co-create.
> The seedling has sprouted - let us grow this lovely learning tree.
> Jump right on - sign in - create your own page and begin.
>
>
> (It is new...in its Beta stage...we are still trying out design and
> functions...come visit us there, enjoy using it, share any ideas for
> improvement you may recommend...there is even a 'Caring for this
> Online Community' Group you can join...and if anything does not work
> smoothly we will all learn and share how to fix it...)
>
>
> Do join us in this nutritious and diverse community meeting place.
>
> http://openspaceworld.ning.com
>
>
> We will continue our rich and vibrant dialogues here on OSLIST, and
> we will see you also in the Open Space World Community Ning site...
>
> Artur, Shufang and Lisa
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