Anti Laws of OST
Brendan McKeague
mckeague at iprimus.com.au
Mon May 25 18:26:25 PDT 2009
for those living in the future it is wise to remember that...
in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday
:-)
At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:
>Thanks Harrison.
>
>I must confess that my interest really isn’t in
>whether the 4 principles are principles or laws.
>
>Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time
>paradox I couldn’t but help to see how all 4
>“principles” seem to relate to time.
>
>One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around
>how we (often without knowing it) carry around
>with us a time perspective. The time perspectives he talks about are:
>
> * Future (The well known westerner approach
> to planning and all things about the future)
> * Present Hedonistic (Make the most of now)
> * Present Fatalistic (It’s going to happen anyway)
> * Past Positive (Gratitude)
> * Past Negative (Woe to me)
>
>Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most “healthy” ?
>
>Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west)
>need to be Highly Past Positive.
>
>You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re living in here:
>
><http://www.thetimeparadox.com/>http://www.thetimeparadox.com/
>
>Know any jokes about time? J
>
>Warm regards,
>Andrew
>
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>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison Owen
>Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM
>To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>
>Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the
>4 principles and one law are neither laws nor
>principles actually. To be honest they are just
>my (and others’) observations of what seemed to
>be happening in any case. In a word they are
>descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You
>could say it is all a joke. Rather like
>“technology” in the phrase Open Space
>Technology. The joke, however turned out to be
>outrageously funny – because somehow or another
>truth broke through. We are in serious trouble!
>Everybody knows that what happens in Open Space
>simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does – and
>that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other
>stuff – like most of what we think we know about
>meetings, the management of meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!
>
>Harrison
>
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>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Derrick Mathews
>Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM
>To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>
>Hi Andrew
>
>I am unsure if you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.
>
>First of all the process is based on "SELF" (the
>most important concept here)-organisation which
>involved participation or non-participation
>which involves human choice. Even if you adopt
>a Doris Day approach (Que Serra, Serra, whatever
>will be, will be, the future's not ours to see,
>que serra, serra, am I giving my age away
>knowing this song lol) your choice to let things
>happen is an intervention and so you have
>influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could have.
>
>If you do not turn up then you have had an
>influence of non-influence on the process and
>outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the right people.
>
>What ever happens is the only thing as if you
>are "involved" your involvement changes the
>dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are
>"involved" via no-involvement you affect the
>dynamic in a different way and as I stated above
>what then happens is the only thing that could have.
>
>Likewise when it starts is because someone made
>a choice to start it and you are "involved" or
>"not" which still has impact and similarly it's
>over because there is a choice made that it is
>over via group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.
>
>Everything is in some way linked and
>interdependent and what we choose to do or not
>do, ripples out to affect all around us.
>
>We just need to always endeavour to impact in a positive way.
>
>Anyhoo, hope this adds to the confusion.
>
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>And on another thread, where are the most
>unusual places that folks know OST has happened?
>
>I recently had the pleasure of opening space for
>a great group of young people (that's anyone
>younger than me) from about 9 different parts
>of Europe who had come together In Londonderry
>to be involved in an Up-cycling project of Trash
>to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS.
>
>One participant selected the swimming pool as an
>additional breakout space and it was one of the
>best attended sessions with the details of the
>conversation recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.
>
>Maybe the fifth unspoken principle is;
>Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have happened
>
>
>Regards
>
>Derrick
>
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>From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Rixon
>Sent: 24 May 2009 02:10
>To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Anti Laws of OST
>Dear All,
>
>Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about
>what might be the Anti-laws of OST.
>
>For instance.
>
>“What isn’t happening are all the things that should be”
>
>Or
>
>“What didn’t happen are all the things that should have”
>
>As opposed to
>
>“Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did”
>
>What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws? J
>
>Warm regards,
>Andrew
>
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>Director
>Babel Fish Group Pty Ltd
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>Mobile: 0400 352 809
>Fax: (03) 8610 0162
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>
>Interested in Story and Narrative? Be sure not
>to miss our national conference October 8 and
>9th titled: "Celebrating Story: Approaching
>change one story at a time". Download the
>interactive brochure
><http://www.babelfishgroup.com/files/CelebratingStoryConference.pdf>here.
>
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