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for those living in the future it is wise to remember that...<br><br>
in two days time, tomorrow will be yesterday <br>
:-)<br><br>
At 07:23 AM 26/05/2009, Andrew Rixon wrote:<br>
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<font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Thanks
Harrison.<br>
<br>
I must confess that my interest really isn’t in whether the 4 principles
are principles or laws.<br>
<br>
Having recently read Phil Zimbardo’s time paradox I couldn’t but help to
see how all 4 “principles” seem to relate to time.<br>
<br>
One of Zimbardo’s interesting writings is around how we (often without
knowing it) carry around with us a time perspective. The time
perspectives he talks about are:<br><br>
<ol>
<li>Future (The well known westerner approach to planning and all things
about the future)</font>
<li><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Present
Hedonistic (Make the most of now)</font>
<li><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Present
Fatalistic (It’s going to happen anyway)</font>
<li><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Past Positive
(Gratitude)</font>
<li><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080">Past Negative
(Woe to me)</font>
</ol><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2 color="#000080"> <br>
Which time perspective would you choose to help you be most “healthy”
?<br>
<br>
Zimbardo’s answer is we (especially in the west) need to be Highly Past
Positive.<br>
<br>
You can even do your own assessment of what time zone you’re living in
here:<br><br>
<a href="http://www.thetimeparadox.com/">
http://www.thetimeparadox.com/</a> <br>
<br>
Know any jokes about time?
</font><font face="Wingdings" size=2 color="#000080">J<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 26 May 2009 4:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST<br>
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</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#FF0000">Just to render the
whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law are neither laws
nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my (and others’)
observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a word they
are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is all a
joke. Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The
joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or
another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows
that what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it
does – and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – like
most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of meetings,
and management itself. Double trouble!!<br>
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</font><font face="Tahoma" size=2>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> OSLIST
[<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" eudora="autourl">
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 25, 2009 9:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Anti Laws of OST<br>
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</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>Hi Andrew<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>I am unsure if
you can have anti laws with regard to the principles.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>First of all the
process is based on "SELF" (the most important concept
here)-organisation which involved participation or non-participation
which involves human choice. Even if you adopt a Doris Day approach
(Que Serra, Serra, whatever will be, will be, the future's not ours to
see, que serra, serra, am I giving my age away knowing this song lol)
your choice to let things happen is an intervention and so you have
influenced the process making what happens the only thing that could
have.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>If you do not
turn up then you have had an influence of non-influence on the
process and outcome so you have been involved and have been part of the
right people.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>What ever happens
is the only thing as if you are "involved" your involvement
changes the dynamic and outcome, likewise if you are "involved"
via no-involvement you affect the dynamic in a different way and as I
stated above what then happens is the only thing that could have.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>Likewise when it
starts is because someone made a choice to start it and you are
"involved" or "not" which still has impact and
similarly it's over because there is a choice made that it is over via
group consensus or an individual's choice that for them it is over.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>Everything is in
some way linked and interdependent and what we choose to do or not do,
ripples out to affect all around us.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>We just need to
always endeavour to impact in a positive way.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>Anyhoo, hope this
adds to the confusion.<br>
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And on another thread, where are the most unusual places that folks know
OST has happened?<br>
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</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>I recently had
the pleasure of opening space for a great group of young people (that's
anyone younger than me) from about 9 different parts of Europe who
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of Trash to Treasure which also involved a 1 day OS. <br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
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of the best attended sessions with the details of the conversation
recorded at the side of the pool by anyone out of the water.<br>
</b></font><font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" color="#0000FF"><b>Maybe the fifth
unspoken principle is;<br>
Where ever it happens is the right place/only place it could have
happened<br>
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</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2><b>Regards<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> 24 May 2009 02:10<br>
<b>To:</b> OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Anti Laws of OST<br>
</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica" size=2>Dear All,<br>
<br>
Recently I’ve been pondering / wondering about what might be the
Anti-laws of OST.<br>
<br>
For instance.<br>
<br>
“What isn’t happening are all the things that should be”<br>
<br>
Or<br>
<br>
“What didn’t happen are all the things that should have”<br>
<br>
As opposed to…<br>
<br>
“Whatever happens is the only thing that could have or did”<br>
<br>
What are your thoughts on other “complimentary” anti-laws?
</font><font face="Wingdings" size=2>J<br>
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