looking for OS practitioner in Philadelphia area
NigelSeys-Phillips
nigel at fulcrum.com.sg
Wed May 6 06:22:05 PDT 2009
Dear John,
Absolutely the LAST thing needed is an apology I can assure you...and thanks
for your e-mail.
The joy of this list is the ability to discuss, debate, read and learn in an
honest and OPEN manner and my curiosity has been 'answered' in many
different ways...and so, like you, I am grateful for all the contributions
and the learnings.
It reminds me of something I read somewhere - maybe you can help me?
"Whatever happens is the only thing....."...sure it was something like that?
All the best from a, still steamy at 9.30pm at night, Singapore
Nigel
Nigel Seys-Phillips
Fulcrum Business Management Solutions
30 Mount Elizabeth
#13-32 Highpoint
Singapore 228519
Tel: +65 9639 2510
E-mail: nigel at fulcrum.com.sg
www.fulcrum.com.sg
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of John Engle
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 12:52 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] looking for OS practitioner in Philadelphia area
Hi everyone.
I want to thank you, lisa, for your gracious and thorough message.
You're great! You said it so well.
I want to thank you Jeff, Jon and Pat for your messages as well.
Thanks for expressing appreciation for mine, Jeff.
I want to apologize to everyone especially you, Nigel, for the
edginess of my response to your curiosity.
I'm glad you expressed it instead of silencing it.
I need to sleep on my messages more often before sending them off.
Live and learn.
Thanks again everyone,
John
On May 5, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Jon Harvey wrote:
> Good words Lisa - thanks.
>
> I once facilitated 4 women only OS events for the Metropolitan
> Police called
> "Dancing on the Glass Ceiling" which involved about 700 police
> officers and
> staff. The rest of the OS team were women, the clients were all
> women too. I
> happened to be the one person in my old organisation who had both
> police
> knowledge and experience of facilitating OS events. I said the intro
> on each
> occasion and then hid in the walls for the rest of the time. It
> seemed to
> work OK.
>
> But had the client said - we want a woman to do this - I would have
> been
> happy to oblige and worked to enable my colleagues to front
> everything up.
>
> In the end - as others have said - our role is to be where the
> client is at
> - and not to impose our perspectives on them. I watched a great TV
> play last
> night on British Television - called End Game
>
(http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/2009/03/19/endgame-a-film-on-apartheid-h
> olds-hope/) Towards the end of the film - one of the key people
> representing
> one of the sides in the talks said to the facilitator "it takes a
> big man to
> be invisible - thank you"
>
> I strive to be invisible in all the facilitation that I do.
>
> Jon
> ___________________________________________________
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>
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>
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Lisa Heft
> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:14
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] looking for OS practitioner in Philadelphia area
>
> John and others -
> Thank you so much for opening us to this important conversation.
>
> Something I think we all share - as facilitators experienced in
> working with
> groups (comprised of individuals) - is that we cannot know what
> another's
> personal life experience is.
>
> We can be well intentioned, and kind, and loving, and appreciative,
> and
> welcoming.
> But we cannot know what someone's life experience has been with the
> complex
> dynamics of race and power, class and access, 'isms' and '___phobias',
> survivorship and identity...
>
> Even if we are the same (seemingly) as another person (such as both
> women,
> or both looking like the same color) we cannot know or assume that
> other
> person's experience - we can only listen well, stay humble, and
> learn from
> what we hear, see and bump into (when we make mistakes).
>
> And especially in terms of being able to know or expect or
> assume ... when
> one is of a majority culture and that other person is not of majority
> culture.
>
> So many hidden complexities and histories that inform one's sense of
> inclusion or exclusion.
>
> To add to that, for anyone who feels they have been marginalized
> (dis-included in many ways over time) - it seems quite natural that
> they
> would yearn for visible leadership from someone who looks and sounds
> like
> them.
>
> The amazing thing about Open Space is that the facilitator soon
> becomes
> invisible as the group jumps off into space.
> So if one cannot find a facilitator that looks like / is of the
> culture of
> the group being facilitated, this is one of those tools for which the
> participants can claim their own space rather immediately after the
> opening.
>
> However I think it behooves us to honor a group's interest and
> request for
> someone of their culture as a facilitator, in any culture, if we can
> find
> someone of that culture who is also capable and skilled. I would
> hate to
> put someone in the facilitator role who was not able to do the job, so
> sometimes this either means taking extra time and resources to train
> someone(s) or a candid discussion with the client about this process
> and how
> it upends the usual power dynamics as the participants self-organize.
>
> My two any-color cents, dear colleagues,
>
> Lisa
>
> Lisa Heft
> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
> Opening Space
> lisaheft at openingspace.net
> www.openingspace.net
>
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>From Wed May 6 22:31:11 2009
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From: Catherine Pfaehler <c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch>
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Space is where emergence can happen. For me, that is as much "time" as
"space". Without both, I can't open, can't allow things to emerge from
within myself.
The more porous an embrace, the more I enjoy it.
Love, C.
Catherine Pfaehler Senn
lic.oec.HSG
Open Space Begleitung
St. Alban-Vorstadt 15
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My start was with Florian Fischer as my facilitator, helping me facilitate
my first big OS. I did the work up front with the preparation group and got
to ask him all my questions by email or phone, which was wonderful and very
inspiring. He meant to help facilitate as it was a bilingual event, but had
to withdraw two days prior to the event for health reasons. (I then found
out that co-facilitation only works if you have known the other person well
- otherwise, one facilitator and one translator is better.) We evenly split
the money earned for the preparation of the event.
Next time, I had a coach alongside who was paid by the sponsor. After that,
I saw my coach once to clarify my specific questions for the next OS event.
In the meantime, I do well by myself, of course always with the help of a
preparation group from the sponsor's organisation and with the help of you
all if I have a question. This OSLIST is really a wonderful resource.
I offer my clients that they can learn about the method in being an
assistant and later on, me being their assistant. In Switzerland, I find
occasions for OS every day, simply by reading the newspaper. Of course, then
it takes phone calls and seeing clients about my ideas to find out whether
OS is adequate to solve the problem. AND I am very aware not to create too
much work for myself that way. Wherever I have an idealistic interest to
offer an OS event, danger of burnout lurks. But somehow, when I tell about
OS, people find it interesting and some do come back to me asking for a
first discussion.
I have also learned that a sponsor is essential. Offering an event by myself
to the public can be expensive if it then doesn't happen because the need
for it is not big enough.
Offering OS events in leisure time institutions for free has been a good way
to sum up more experience and to strengthen the communities involved, but so
far, I haven't gotten a paid OS event out of these offerings. I keep on
doing it anyway because I love that community.
Sometimes, I participate in an OS co-created by other OS practitioners, to
be a participant and learn about facilitating from that side. The last time
was in November in Berlin where Harrison couldn't come. The learning was
profound. Not only did I walk out with the sentence "I invite myself to live
the life of my dreams now" (with which I keep wandering.), but also did I
realize how unimportant the facilitator is once the groups are on their way.
It's really THEIR thing, not the facilitator's. That has let me be much more
relaxed as a facilitator, finally really taking a nap in the sun during
breakout sessions. :-)
With gratitude, C.
Catherine Pfaehler Senn
lic.oec.HSG
Open Space Begleitung
St. Alban-Vorstadt 15
CH - 4052 Basel
+41-(0)76 - 488 15 46
c.pfaehler at open-space-begleitung.ch
www.open-space-begleitung.ch <http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch/>
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Von: Lisa Heft [mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 16:59
Betreff: Re: Begining in OS
...and that's how we are all delightfully different.
Jack, I honor how you feel and see things.
And yet I do see them differently.
I see abundance instead of competition.
I see inviting others to help me in events that I facilitate as an
opportunity for wonderful help, greater service to the client and a
colleague who is rich with observations and insights.
Plus the extra added value of helping a colleague grow into the field and
gain more experience. And I see it as my 'pay it forward' for having
received such rich learning and opportunities from my diversely experienced
colleagues.
I see their putting these jobs on their resumes (for example, 'Newsroom
Coordinator' as an essential role assisting an organization in utilizing
their own documentation for their continued growth and learning) as a real
job with real responsibility required, whether or not they were paid or pro
bono consultants on that job.
I ask all clients if I can bring someone along to assist and ask them if
they have funding for this. Often they do. If not, I try to find funding
from my own resources. If I do not have resources it is often seen as an
unpaid collaboration for the benefit of learning.
I find that offering learning opportunities for colleagues helps strengthen
our work and our field.
I invite some of you on this list to share with us your experiences of being
invited to help on Open Space events as you were / have been emerging into
this field and this practice.
I invite others of you to share your experiences of bringing a newly
emerging facilitator into a job of yours.
Tell us the (mutual) benefits and the learning - even your stories of when
it has not been a good idea for the client, participants, or for you.
I think we have a learning opportunity here.
Thanks to David and Jack for tickling these thoughts in my head and opening
up the learning opportunity.
I look forward to hearing others' thoughts on this.
A warm hello from a gray Berkeley California morning,
Lisa
Lisa Heft
Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
Opening Space
lisaheft at openingspace.net
www.openingspace.net
Jack Martin Leith wrote:
* What the client is really paying for is the consulting work and the
design and organisation of the event. Facilitating the event is the easy bit
that happens at the end. So to get maximum value from working with an
experienced practitioner you'd really need to be involved in the entire
project.
* How do I explain your presence to the client?
* What would your role be on the day, aside from helping get the space
ready? Once the agenda is created and the sessions are up and running,
there's very little for the facilitator to do.
* I'll probably get shot down in flames for saying this, but what the
hell: Here in the UK, OS consulting is a crowded marketplace. Do I really
want to help make it even more crowded?
I mentioned that last point because I suspect that the "training a new
competitor" issue is often there, if unconscious, when an OS consultant is
asked "Can I be an extra pair of hands?" and it's best that you're aware of
it. Although the Open Space community is very supportive, and I do whatever
I can to share knowledge and help others, the reality is that we're
operating in a very competitive environment. I've competed with friends and
collaborators for OS work on several occasions.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>My start was =
with Florian
Fischer as my facilitator, helping me facilitate my first big OS. I did =
the
work up front with the preparation group and got to ask him all my =
questions by
email or phone, which was wonderful and very inspiring. He meant to help
facilitate as it was a bilingual event, but had to withdraw two days =
prior to
the event for health reasons. (I then found out that co-facilitation =
only works
if you have known the other person well – otherwise, one =
facilitator and
one translator is better…) We evenly split the money earned for =
the preparation
of the event.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Next time, I had =
a coach
alongside who was paid by the sponsor. After that, I saw my coach once =
to
clarify my specific questions for the next OS event. In the meantime, I =
do well
by myself, of course always with the help of a preparation group from =
the
sponsor’s organisation and with the help of you all if I have a =
question.
This <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">OSLIST</st1:PersonName> is really a =
wonderful
resource.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I offer my =
clients that
they can learn about the method in being an assistant and later on, me =
being
their assistant. In <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Switzerland</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
I find occasions for OS every day, simply by reading the newspaper. Of =
course,
then it takes phone calls and seeing clients about my ideas to find out =
whether
OS is adequate to solve the problem. AND I am very aware not to create =
too much
work for myself that way. Wherever I have an idealistic interest to =
offer an OS
event, danger of burnout lurks… But somehow, when I tell about OS, =
people
find it interesting and some do come back to me asking for a first =
discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have also =
learned that
a sponsor is essential. Offering an event by myself to the public can be
expensive if it then doesn’t happen because the need for it is not =
big
enough.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Offering OS =
events in
leisure time institutions for free has been a good way to sum up more
experience and to strengthen the communities involved, but so far, I =
haven’t
gotten a paid OS event out of these offerings. I keep on doing it anyway =
because
I love that community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sometimes, I =
participate
in an OS co-created by other OS practitioners, to be a participant and =
learn
about facilitating from that side. The last time was in November in =
<st1:State
w:st=3D"on">Berlin</st1:State> where <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Harrison</st1:place>
couldn’t come. The learning was profound. Not only did I walk out =
with
the sentence “I invite myself to live the life of my dreams =
now”
(with which I keep wandering…), but also did I realize how =
unimportant
the facilitator is once the groups are on their way. It’s really =
THEIR
thing, not the facilitator’s. That has let me be much more relaxed =
as a
facilitator, finally really taking a nap in the sun during breakout =
sessions. </span></font><font
size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DWingdings><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
lang=3DEN-GB
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>With gratitude, =
C.</span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:navy'>Catherine
Pfaehler Senn<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:navy'>lic.oec.HSG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>Open =
Space
Begleitung<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>St.
Alban-Vorstadt 15<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'>CH - =
4052 Basel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:navy'>+41-(0)76 - 488
15 46<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:navy'><a
href=3D"mailto:c.pfaehler at open-space-begleitung.ch">c.pfaehler at open-space=
-begleitung.ch</a></span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3D"#0000a0" face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0000A0'><a
href=3D"http://www.open-space-begleitung.ch/">www.open-space-begleitung.c=
h</a></span></font><font
color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>Von:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Lisa =
Heft
[mailto:<st1:PersonName =
w:st=3D"on">lisaheft at openingspace.net</st1:PersonName>] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Gesendet:</span></b> Dienstag, 5. =
Mai 2009
16:59<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Betreff:</span></b> Re: Begining in =
OS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>...and that's how we are all delightfully =
different.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Jack, I honor how you feel and see =
things.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>And yet I do see them differently.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I see =
abundance instead
of competition. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I see inviting =
others to
help me in events that I facilitate as an opportunity for wonderful =
help,
greater service to the client and a colleague who is rich with =
observations and
insights.<br>
Plus the extra added value of helping a colleague grow into the field =
and gain
more experience. And I see it as my 'pay it forward' for having =
received
such rich learning and opportunities from my diversely experienced =
colleagues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I see their =
putting these
jobs on their resumes (for example, 'Newsroom Coordinator' as an =
essential role
assisting an organization in utilizing their own documentation for their
continued growth and learning) as a real job with real responsibility =
required,
whether or not they were paid or pro bono consultants on that =
job.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I ask all =
clients if I
can bring someone along to assist and ask them if they have funding for =
this.
Often they do. If not, I try to find funding from my own resources. If I =
do not
have resources it is often seen as an unpaid collaboration for the =
benefit of
learning.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0cm'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I find that offering learning opportunities for colleagues helps
strengthen our work and our field.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I invite some of you on this list to share with us your =
experiences of
being invited to help on Open Space events as you were / have been =
emerging
into this field and this practice.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I invite others of you to share your experiences of bringing a =
newly
emerging facilitator into a job of yours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Tell us the (mutual) benefits and the learning - even your =
stories of
when it has not been a good idea for the client, participants, or for =
you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I think we have a learning opportunity =
here. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks to David and Jack for tickling these thoughts in my head =
and
opening up the learning opportunity.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I look forward to hearing others' thoughts on =
this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>A warm hello from a gray Berkeley California =
morning,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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color=3Dblue
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Lisa Heft</span></font></b></span><font =
size=3D1
color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'>Consultant,
Facilitator, Educator<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-style-span><b><font size=3D1 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Opening Space</span></font></b></span><font
size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:
"Trebuchet MS";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'><a
href=3D"mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net">lisaheft at openingspace.net</a><o=
:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'><a
href=3D"http://www.openingspace.net">www.openingspace.net</a><o:p></o:p><=
/span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'></span></span> Jack Martin =
Leith
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ul type=3Ddisc>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>What the client is really paying for is =
the
consulting work and the design and organisation of the event. =
Facilitating
the event is the easy bit that happens at the end. =
So to
get maximum value from working with an experienced =
practitioner
you'd really need to be involved in the entire =
project.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
<div>
<ul type=3Ddisc>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>How do I explain your presence to the =
client?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3Ddisc>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>What would your role be on the day, =
aside from
helping get the space ready? Once the agenda is created and the =
sessions
are up and running, there's very little for the facilitator to =
do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3Ddisc>
<li class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I'll probably get shot down in flames =
for saying
this, but what the hell: Here in the UK, OS consulting =
is a
crowded marketplace. Do I really want to help =
make it
even more crowded?<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
</ul>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>I mentioned that last point because I suspect that
the "training a new competitor" issue is often =
there, if
unconscious, when an OS consultant is asked "Can I =
be an
extra pair of hands?" and it's best that you're aware of it. =
Although the
Open Space community is very supportive, and I do whatever I can to =
share
knowledge and help others, the reality is that we're operating in a very
competitive environment. I've competed with friends and collaborators =
for OS
work on several occasions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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>From Wed May 6 19:46:51 2009
Message-Id: <WED.6.MAY.2009.194651.0400.>
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 19:46:51 -0400
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Subject: Dimdim anyone?
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Hi--
Is anyone out there using Dimdim for conferencing?
It looks like it might be good...but would like the real story.
:- Doug.
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