AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

Harrison Owen hhowen at verizon.net
Tue Jun 30 05:35:26 PDT 2009


Thanks Michael -- I think :-)

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael M
Pannwitz
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:46 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

 

Liebe Catherine,

ich hab zu Deiner Frage schon mal in dieser Liste auf Englisch 

geschrieben, aber hier kommts nochmal auf deutsch (ich fänds super, 

wenns auch noch jemand, der es auf französisch und italienisch und 

Latein probiert, aufschreibt, damit es sich in der ganzen Schweiz 

verbreiten kann):

 

Mich interessieren Nachhaltigkeit oder nachhaltige Ergebnisse in meiner 

Rolle als Begleiter überhaupt nicht.

 

Wenn der Veranstalter allerdings sowas will, nehm ich ihm ja auch in 

keiner Weise krumm, dann sage ich ihm, was er tun kann, damit die 

Wahrscheinlichkeit von nachhaltiger Umsetzung von Verabredungen zu 

Vorhaben steigt und welcher Aufwand von Veranstaltern dazu mit ziemlich 

gutem Erfolg dafür betrieben worden ist.

 

Gleich zu Anfang möchte ich Dir aber verraten, dass die Form der 

Dokumentation dabei eine eher untergeordnete Rolle spielt (hierzu hatte 

ich auch auf die Berichte von John Engle verwiesen aus Situationen, in 

denen es kein Papier, keine Stifte gibt und in denen viele der 

Teilnehmenden auch nicht lesen oder schreiben können).

 

Also hier meine Hinweise an den Veranstalter:

 

1. Ein Vorbereitungstreffen mit einer Gruppe, die in etwa die erwartete 

Teilnehmerschaft abbildet, also das ganze System, wie es sich zu diesem 

Zeitpunkt für ihn darstellt, zusammenbringen. Sie / er gehört dazu. 

Optimal ist, wenn diese Gruppe authorisiert ist mit ihr / ihm gemeinsame 

alles zu entscheiden: Thema, Einzuladende, Einladung, Organisation, etc.

Ich biete ihm die Begleitung des in der Regel 3,5stündigen Treffens an.

2. Eine Einladung, in der nicht nur zu der Veranstaltung eingeladen 

wird, sondern auch schon zu dem 8 bis 12 Wochen später stattfindendem 

"Nächsten Treffen", bei dem die Vorhaben, die in der Handlungsplanung am 

Ende der OST Veranstaltung verabredet wurden, angeschaut werden...wo 

sind wir jetzt?, gibts neue Vorhaben?, wie gehts weiter?...plus mögliche 

weitere "Nächste Treffen".

3. Ein Verfahren, in dem so gut wie es irgendwie möglich ist 

sichergestellt wird, dass all diejenigen auf jeweils spezifische Art und 

Weise vom Veranstalter und Mitgliedern der Vorbereitungsgruppe 

eingeladen werden, die dafür notwendig erscheinen, die Erwartungen unter 

der gewählten Überschrift auch tatsächlich einzulösen.

4. Eine dreitägige Veranstaltung, also 16 Stunden auf drei Tage verteilt 

(Nachmittag, ganzer Tag, Vor-oder Nachmittag), zweimal schlafen, mit 

einer Handlungsplanung am letzten Tag.

5. Eine Dokuwand mit allen aus den Anliegengruppen entstehenden 

Ergebnissen, die nochmal von allen gegen Ende des 2. Tages gemeinsame 

zur Kenntnis genommen wird mit der Möglichkeit, dann noch zu jedem 

Ergebnisblatt auf einem Ergänzungsblatt weitere Fragen, Hinweise, etc. 

festzuhalten.(Diese gesammelten Werke können entweder als Papierdoku in 

der Nacht vom 2. auf den 3. Tag hergestellt werden und den Teilnehmenden 

am dritten Tag morgens gegeben werden oder als pdf/eDoku nach der 

Veranstaltung auf einer www erscheinen, zu der die Teilnehmenden Zugang 

haben).

6. Eine Kontaktliste der Teilnehmenden mit von den TeilnehmerInnen 

überprüften Kontaktdaten für alle Teilnehmenden, die das wollen, am Ende 

der Veranstaltung an alle Teilnehmenden für die Kommunikation nach der 

Tagung verteilen (die Kontaktliste wurde im Laufe der Veranstaltung von 

den Teilnehmenden selber erstellt).

7. Kopien der Verabredungen, die in der Handlungsplanung zu den Vorhaben 

entstanden sind, an alle Teilnehmenden innert einer Woche nach der 

Veranstaltung verschicken samt Einladung zu dem bereits bekannten 

"Nächsten Treffen".

8. Deutliche Hinweise darauf, das alles von den Teilnehmenden so weit es 

irgend möglich ist, selbst getan wird (ihre Anliegengruppen selbständig 

organisieren,Dokublätter anfertigen,Kontaktliste erstellen...)

 

Für Veranstalter, die Nachhaltigkeit wollen, ist das alles sehr einfach, 

einleuchtend, notwendig.

Für Veranstalter, die das nicht (wirklich) wollen, ist das alles eine 

eher unüberwindbare Barriere.

 

So, das ist das, was ich mache und ich möchte nicht, dass es als Rezept 

verstanden wird. Wenn jemand es so ausprobiert, würde es mich 

überraschen, wenn es nicht klappt....

 

Herzlich Grüße aus Berlin

mmp

 

Catherine Pfaehler wrote:

> Dear Reinhard

> 

> As you describe it in depth, it becomes more understandable and really

> sounds wonderful. 

> 

> What about writing a book on methods and hints for visual protocols? I

> especially like your idea of the participants doing the visual protocols

> themselves. Some might even discover they have a talent they weren't aware

> of!

> 

> And my original question remains open - what do others do to foster

> sustainable outcomes?

> 

> Heartfully, C.

>  

> Catherine Pfaehler Senn

> lic.oec.HSG

> Open Space Begleitung

> St. Alban-Vorstadt 15

> CH - 4052 Basel

> +41-(0)76 - 488 15 46

> c.pfaehler at open-space-begleitung.ch

> www.open-space-begleitung.ch

>  

> 

> 

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:mail at visuelle-protokolle.de] 

> Gesendet: Samstag, 27. Juni 2009 07:01

> An: c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch; OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU

> Betreff: AW: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

> 

> Dear Catherine,

> 

> it seems t get a dialogue between you and me - and Harrison defending his

> turf - while all the others are busy discussing Paris Stammtisch and some

> problems of dogma and exegesis in the holy principles.

> 

>  My focus lies on  the os meeting. My heart belongs to the paricipating

> people, my head to the client behind everything.  In a meeting of lets say

> 200 participants everybody can choose between lets say ten group themes in

> every time slot. If it goes for two days, with five time slots, that makes

> 50 groups of which the everage participant chooses five groups. All the

> other groups, their themes, their surprising developments, their
exitement,

> their outcome, does not exist for him. All the groups make some protocols,

> but in the worst possible way, in handwriting, and some typed short
version.

> Our everage participant does rarely read the outcomes of other groups. The

> facilitator made himself invisible and is of little help. So his horizon
is

> built from 10 percent of the whole meeting. He goes home with a beautiful

> experience  of team building and self organisation, and some memeory of 10

> percent of the meeting. The client goes home with some written excerpts,
and

> if he is lucky he will be confronted with some ideas afterwards, of people

> who want to ontinue their threads. Who is helping him to build the bridge

> between his basic theme, his exspectations, and the outcome? The

> facilitator? By which means?

> 

> I would wish all the os people could take part just once in a visualized
os

> event. Some witnesses, fair minded, impartial, are moving from group to

> group, gathering process, results and atmosphere on small picture cards.

> Nobody is noticing them. They put these picture cards into a big picture

> wall, all the time, so that everybody who passes can get all the
procedures

> in some seconds time. And in the evening all the picture cards,
digitalized

> in the meantime, are shown to the plenum as a slide show with some music,

> for about 10 minutes The participants not only increase the memory of
their

> own group from 20 to 60 percent, as scientists can proove, but at the same

> time they get an overview about the whole big theme in all its complexity.

> As if they can suddenly see the whole tree, of which they were busy
handling

> some branches so far. I experienced a deep satisfaction among the

> participants every time we did that work. Of course all that is against
the

> old os dogma, but that does not bother the people at all.

> 

> And the client? He gets a detailled insight into all the groups. The
little

> images can be used in many ways to foster sustainable outcomes, as you
say.

> They can be clustered, regrouped, with atonishing results, showing what

> people really said and mean.They can be used as material to work with in

> smaller groups who continue with some items, they can be put into the

> intranet, printed as leaflets, little books, calendars, posters, hang in
the

> corridors ...  As means to take the results really seriously.

> 

> AND NOW THE BIG QUESTION: is that worth the extra costs of extra people,
who

> visualize the event? Some clients say yes, it is. It makes the difference

> between a beautiful experience of self orgsnization and the welding of a

> tool for the organization.

> 

> I myself would not propose to visualize every os meeting by external

> visualizers.  I would like very much to experiment with internal

> visualization. We developed different ways of visualizing  by
participants.

> Once we made 800 union people in vienna draw in little groups, 72 images,

> with an amazing result.

> 

> I can imagine, that in every os group two or three people start to doodle,

> to draw what they experience, on little cards. A bit like world cafe (I

> propose to the world cafe people to use little cards as well). And then
like

> said before, the cards can be hung into the picture wall, group by geoup,

> and shown in the evening as slide show. I would very much like to develop

> this method and to make it available to the whole os community.

> 

> 

> mit freundlichen Grüßen

> best regards

> 

> Reinhard Kuchenmüller

> 

> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE

> 

> tel. +39-0566 88929

> www.visuelle-protokolle.de

> ________________________________________

> Von: Catherine Pfaehler [c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch]

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 17:15

> An: Reinhard Kuchenmueller

> Cc: 'OSLIST'

> Betreff: How can we foster sustainable outcomes?

> 

> Dear Reinhard

> 

> You have a very interesting point there. I have often wondered how the

> sustainable implementation of visible results can be fostered "better" by

> me, as in the post-OS-meeting, I often find my clients to focus on
different

> things than what I would have expected.

> 

> Then, again, on the other side, I am well aware that a most important side

> result of an OS event is always teambuilding, communication and a stronger

> commitment to their organisation by many participants. And if I succeed in

> allowing the client to really be responsible for what happens with the

> results, then I need to let go after having asked the evaluation questions

> and some others like "Does anything need a vessel for coordination now?"
and

> "What has been developing since the OS event?".

> 

> Other opinions??

> 

> Heartfully, C.

> 

> Catherine Pfaehler Senn

> lic.oec.HSG

> Open Space Begleitung

> St. Alban-Vorstadt 15

> CH - 4052 Basel

> +41-(0)76 - 488 15 46

> c.pfaehler at open-space-begleitung.ch

> www.open-space-begleitung.ch

> 

> 

> 

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: Reinhard Kuchenmueller [mailto:mail at visuelle-protokolle.de]

> Gesendet: Montag, 22. Juni 2009 19:12

> Betreff: AW: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?

> 

> my two cents:

> 

> a principle is defined as a law superordinated to every other law.

> Condition: A certain effect can always be retraced to the same
constellation

> of facts. (wikipedia).

> 

> In this sense Harrison's principles are definitively no principles at all.

> But he was really clever: two martinis and four mundane sentences - and
the

> whole world is repeating them like a mantra. Mantras, as the east knows

> since thousands of years, don't have to have a meaning, the essence lies

> behind them. It only gets painful, if you start to worship the mantras

> instead of the essence.

> 

> Why is open space so effective? Certainly not because of the mantras. As I

> see it, we have to dig deeper:

> 

> I could think of principles like:

> 

> People are basically interested  - to engage themselves

>                                           - to take responsibility

>                                           - to interlink themselves

> 

> That happens as soon as one stops to treat people like obstinate mules.

> 

> And there exist conditions, which foster that, which support this so
called

> self organisation.

> 

> Certainly open space technology, as it is practised worldwide, is an

> excellent condition for self organisation.

> 

> And your 'foundations' define it well.

> 

> Rather often a client spends money for an open space event, and for the

> facilitator who proposes open space as a tool for the clients' purposes.

> This aspect seems to be underestimated in the debate.

> 

> In my view the facilitator is responsible to link the proposed and choosen

> form of the event, in our case open space, with the system and the purpose

> of the client. What the client pays for is not the self organisation of
his

> people, that is only a beautiful side effect, and a bridge to engage
people

> in the affairs of the client - and more often simultaneously in their own

> working conditions.

> 

> I cannot understand the disinterest of many open space facilitators
towards

> the outcome and its linkage with the system of the client.

> 

> That, in my eyes, is also the reason for the disinterest towards optimal

> forms of recording the outcome - and as a visual facilitator I of course

> propagate a visual form of protocol.

> 

> The discussions in the os list are mainly conducted with the back to the

> clients, and that is a pity.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> mit freundlichen Grüßen

> best regards

> 

> Reinhard Kuchenmüller

> 

> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE

> 

> tel. +39-0566 88929

> www.visuelle-protokolle.de

> ________________________________________

> Von: OSLIST [OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] im Auftrag von Artur Silva

> [arturfsilva at YAHOO.COM]

> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Juni 2009 18:25

> An: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU

> Betreff: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?

> 

> Larry:

> 

> I am sorry but only today I had the time to answer you.

> 

> We certainly need foundations or principles to Open Space.

> 

> But I prefer the word "foundations" instead of "principles" because, due
to

> the man of the hat, this word is connected forever (only) with "the 4

> principles". And I think that that there are other principles
(foundations)

> as important as, or even more important than, the 4 so called principles.

> 

> Indeed I think (sorry Harrison) that the expression "The 4 principles" was

> badly chosen.

> 

> Because it they are "what always happens" they are not principles at all.

> And because we think that we must state the principles in the beginning of

> every session (I myself to that the majority o the times - but not
always")

> and I am more and more convinced that they are useless. You can state them

> or nor, and the same things will occur. They are probably "one less thing
to

> do/state".

> 

> But there are other principles or foundations that are essential, in the

> sense that if they are not present different things will happen.

> 

> In the discussion I opened in our wiki some years ago I proposed the

> following:

> 

> 3. I would suggest, as HO wrote in the old User’s Guide, that OST begins

> with:

> 

>  *   A THEME that is compelling enough, but also general and open enough
to

> let people dream about and

>  *   A GROUP OF COMMITED PEOPLE (reason for the presences to be almost

> always voluntary)

>  *   Enough DIVERSITY in the group

> 4. To those foundations one can add others that are generally accepted by

> all practitioners:

> 

>  *   The CIRCLE (even if, in some cases, some argue that a "virtual
circle"

> will do)

>  *   The Bulletin Board

>  *   The Market Place

>  *   The "law of two feet" (one of the most, if not the most important

> feature, from where butterflies and bumblebees "germinate" and many

> conflicts "evaporate")

>  *   The "four principles" (as I have promised ;-)

> 

> (http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST)

> 

> If I were to rewrite this today, I would surely suppress the last line.
But

> all the other "foundations" (including the law of two feet) are essential.

> If you suppress one of them you will have a meeting; but not, IMHO, an OST

> meeting. But we may not talk at all about the "4 principles" and
everything

> will happen as usual.

> 

> Best regrsds to all

> 

> Artur

> 

> 

> 

> 

> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Larry Peterson <larry at spiritedorg.com> wrote:

> 

> From: Larry Peterson <larry at spiritedorg.com>

> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?

> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU

> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:22 PM

> 

> Maybe a “foundation” is another word for how I often describe the

> “principles”.  I encourage people, when I open a space, to make some

> assumptions about the gathering to assume what are stated as principles
and

> to act on that basis during the event.  I think these only become
“assumed”

> after some evolution of consciousness and I don’t experience most folks in

> organizations being there.  I think it is important to articulate them, to

> influence the “social construction” of the boundaries of the OST event
along

> with the most important part – the focus question or theme.  Yep, it may
be

> a bit of ritualized behaviour but I think it helps increase the

> possibilities what will emerge in the self-organizing process that will

> happen anyway.  Besides, I (we as facilitators) are one of the “selves” in

> the self-organization.

> 

> Larry

> 

> 

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> Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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> 

> 

> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Artur

> Silva

> Sent: May-27-09 5:54 PM

> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU

> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?

> 

> Harrison, Larry and all:

> 

> I am afraid that I continue to read only the messages from this list from

> time to time...

> 

> Today, I read this answer from Harrison to a reply from Larry to an
original

> comment by Harrison. The 3 messages referred are listed below, and I ask
you

> to first read the parts of those messages that I have transformed in bold.

> 

> (...) Thanks for having done that ;-)

> 

> Now, I am happy that Harrison agrees that "the 4 principles and one law
are

> neither laws nor principles actually" and that there will come a day when

> The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that wonderful status of
“One

> more thing not to do.”

> 

> But Larry commented, very wisely as usual, about the importance of some
form

> of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization.

> 

> So, maybe it is the appropriate time to reintroduce a discussion that I
have

> tried to introduce many moons ago, about what are the foundations of OST.

> 

> I mean,

> 

> 1) if the principles are not "principles" after all, but only what always

> happens, and eventually even "one more thing not to do" (and I remember
you

> that I have done some OST experiments without reference to the Principles
-

> and all went well as usual), but

> 

> 2) Some form of boundary or container is needed

> 

> where this boundary or container does comes from?

> 

> I have proposed to call that the "foundations" (not principles) of OST and

> proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary ideas) I would like to read

> (again) your opinions about.

> 

> You can found my (preliminary) proposals, of some time ago, here

> http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST

> 

> and here

> 

>
http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&

> X=6543D44B5D0A7C3BC4&Y=arturfsilva%40yahoo.com.

> 

> Looking forward to hear from you all

> 

> Warn regards from a warm night in Lisbon

> 

> Artur

> 

> ------

> 

> 

> 

> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:

> 

> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>

> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST

> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU

> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM

> Right on Larry – and I found a very curious and embarrassing typo in my

> small piece. I said, “They (the Principles and the Law) are descriptive as

> opposed to descriptive.” I meant to say,”They are descriptive as opposed
to

> prescriptive.” Point is neither the Law nor the Principles tell you what
to

> do – they simply alert everybody to what will be taking place no matter

> what. I think that is a useful function, but it really doesn’t change a

> thing. In short – there will come a day when The Law and The Principles
can

> be assigned to that wonderful status of “One more thing not to do.”

> 

> Harrison

> 

> 

> Harrison Owen

> 

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> 

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> 

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> 

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Larry

> Peterson

> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM

> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU

> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST

> 

> For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and Law” than non-sense.

> Stewart Kauffman explores the importance of some form of “boundaries” or

> “container” for self-organization, particularly that of cells.  He
believes

> (with strong scientific evidence) that real physical work only gets done

> within some “boundaries” or it dissipates.  Cells, he asserts, co-create

> their “boundaries” with their environment through self-organizing

> relationships in every moment.  The boundaries are permeable, constructs,

> open to interchange with their environment. (No such thing as a closed

> system!)

> 

> Harrison, I believe you have articulated a set of socially constructed

> permeable “boundaries” for enhancing human self-organization – including
the

> focus/theme, principles and law.  These set a temporary set of
“boundaries”

> or a “container” both focused and open that change the perceived
conditions

> for self-organization at an event or meeting.  Self-organization is

> happening all the time, in every moment.  Our mental maps (in practice)
and

> feelings shape what we do as we self-organize – what topics we propose and

> who we connect to.  Are they necessary for self-organization (Open Space)
–

> no, it is happening all the time as order emerges.  Do they (or other

> similar statements about the social framework for our self-organizing)
help

> people to self-organize in exciting and creative ways?  I think so.

> 

> Larry

> 

> 

> Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation

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> 

> 

> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison

> Owen

> Sent: May-25-09 2:59 PM

> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU

> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST

> 

> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and one law

> are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they are just my
(and

> others’) observations of what seemed to be happening in any case. In a
word

> they are descriptive as opposed to descriptive – You could say it is all a

> joke. Rather like “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The

> joke, however turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or

> another truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows
that

> what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it does –
and

> that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff – like most of what
we

> think we know about meetings, the management of meetings, and management

> itself. Double trouble!!

> 

> Harrison

> 

> 

> Harrison Owen

> 

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> 

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> 

> Phone 301-365-2093

> 

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> 

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