Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?
Christine Whitney Sanchez
cwhitneysanchez at gmail.com
Mon Jun 22 07:00:34 PDT 2009
In the spirit of Dean Radin's "entanglement"
I've got you under my skin
I've got you deep in the heart of me
So deep in my heart, that you're really a part of me
I've got you under my skin.
Christine
Christine Whitney Sanchez
Collaborative Wisdom & Strategy
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On Jun 21, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Phelim McDermott wrote:
Skin
You gotta have skin.
All you really need is skin.
Skin's the thing that if you got it outside,
It helps keep your insides in.
(Nothing can match it when ya scratch it)
Phelim
On 21 Jun 2009, at 12:30, Artur Silva wrote:
> I agree, Robyn.
>
> But the point is: are the 4 principles part of your skin or some
> dust you can get rid of - or not - without changing the skin?
>
> Artur
>
>
> --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Robyn Williams <pov at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> From: Robyn Williams <pov at iinet.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 7:11 PM
>
> (...)
>
>
> When I was a kid in the late sixties my folks had a record by
> comedian Shelley Berman. Hilarious, I loved it. He sang a ditty to
> the tune of “You’ve gotta have heart (buda-bom)”. The opening lyrics
> went something like, “You gotta have skin, it’s the only thing that
> keeps your insides in…”. Its wisdom has rung in my ears ever since.
> No wonder I’m into the practice of peace.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Robyn
>
>
> Robyn Williams
>
> POV Communication for Sustainability
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> M: 0424 587 262
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> E: pov at iinet.net.au
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>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Larry Peterson
> Sent: Friday, 29 May 2009 8:22 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?
>
>
> Maybe a “foundation” is another word for how I often describe the
> “principles”. I encourage people, when I open a space, to make some
> assumptions about the gathering to assume what are stated as
> principles and to act on that basis during the event. I think these
> only become “assumed” after some evolution of consciousness and I
> don’t experience most folks in organizations being there. I think
> it is important to articulate them, to influence the “social
> construction” of the boundaries of the OST event along with the most
> important part – the focus question or theme. Yep, it may be a bit
> of ritualized behaviour but I think it helps increase the
> possibilities what will emerge in the self-organizing process that
> will happen anyway. Besides, I (we as facilitators) are one of the
> “selves” in the self-organization.
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation
>
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
> larry at spiritedorg.com 416.653.4829 http://www.spiritedorg.com
>
>
>
>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Artur Silva
> Sent: May-27-09 5:54 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST - Foundations of OST?
>
>
> Harrison, Larry and all:
>
>
>
> I am afraid that I continue to read only the messages from this list
> from time to time...
>
>
>
> Today, I read this answer from Harrison to a reply from Larry to an
> original comment by Harrison. The 3 messages referred are listed
> below, and I ask you to first read the parts of those messages that
> I have transformed in bold.
>
>
>
> (...) Thanks for having done that ;-)
>
>
>
> Now, I am happy that Harrison agrees that "the 4 principles and one
> law are neither laws nor principles actually" and that there will
> come a day when The Law and The Principles can be assigned to that
> wonderful status of “One more thing not to do.”
>
>
>
> But Larry commented, very wisely as usual, about the importance of
> some form of “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization.
>
>
>
> So, maybe it is the appropriate time to reintroduce a discussion
> that I have tried to introduce many moons ago, about what are the
> foundations of OST.
>
>
>
> I mean,
>
>
>
> 1) if the principles are not "principles" after all, but only what
> always happens, and eventually even "one more thing not to do" (and
> I remember you that I have done some OST experiments without
> reference to the Principles - and all went well as usual), but
>
>
>
> 2) Some form of boundary or container is needed
>
>
>
> where this boundary or container does comes from?
>
>
>
> I have proposed to call that the "foundations" (not principles) of
> OST and proposed some ideas (that are only preliminary ideas) I
> would like to read (again) your opinions about.
>
>
>
> You can found my (preliminary) proposals, of some time ago, here
>
> http://www.openspaceworld.org/cgi/netwiki.cgi?FoundationsofOST
>
>
>
> and here
>
>
>
> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=oslist&P=R23925&I=-3&X=6543D44B5D0A7C3BC4&Y=arturfsilva%40yahoo.com
> .
>
>
>
> Looking forward to hear from you all
>
>
>
> Warn regards from a warm night in Lisbon
>
>
>
> Artur
>
>
>
> ------
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 7:23 AM
>
> Right on Larry – and I found a very curious and embarrassing typo in
> my small piece. I said, “They (the Principles and the Law) are
> descriptive as opposed to descriptive.” I meant to say,”They are
> descriptive as opposed to prescriptive.” Point is neither the Law
> nor the Principles tell you what to do – they simply alert everybody
> to what will be taking place no matter what. I think that is a
> useful function, but it really doesn’t change a thing. In short –
> there will come a day when The Law and The Principles can be
> assigned to that wonderful status of “One more thing not to do.”
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Harrison Owen
>
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Larry Peterson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:44 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Anti Laws of OST
>
>
>
> For me, there is more sense in the “Principles and Law” than non-
> sense. Stewart Kauffman explores the importance of some form of
> “boundaries” or “container” for self-organization, particularly that
> of cells. He believes (with strong scientific evidence) that real
> physical work only gets done within some “boundaries” or it
> dissipates. Cells, he asserts, co-create their “boundaries” with
> their environment through self-organizing relationships in every
> moment. The boundaries are permeable, constructs, open to
> interchange with their environment. (No such thing as a closed
> system!)
>
>
>
> Harrison, I believe you have articulated a set of socially
> constructed permeable “boundaries” for enhancing human self-
> organization – including the focus/theme, principles and law. These
> set a temporary set of “boundaries” or a “container” both focused
> and open that change the perceived conditions for self-organization
> at an event or meeting. Self-organization is happening all the
> time, in every moment. Our mental maps (in practice) and feelings
> shape what we do as we self-organize – what topics we propose and
> who we connect to. Are they necessary for self-organization (Open
> Space) – no, it is happening all the time as order emerges. Do they
> (or other similar statements about the social framework for our self-
> organizing) help people to self-organize in exciting and creative
> ways? I think so.
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry Peterson & Associates in Transformation
>
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
> larry at spiritedorg.com 416.653.4829 http://www.spiritedorg.com
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Harrison Owen
> Sent: May-25-09 2:59 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Anti Laws of OST
>
>
>
> Just to render the whole thing non-sensical, the 4 principles and
> one law are neither laws nor principles actually. To be honest they
> are just my (and others’) observations of what seemed to be
> happening in any case. In a word they are descriptive as opposed to
> descriptive – You could say it is all a joke. Rather like
> “technology” in the phrase Open Space Technology. The joke, however
> turned out to be outrageously funny – because somehow or another
> truth broke through. We are in serious trouble! Everybody knows that
> what happens in Open Space simply can’t happen. Unfortunately it
> does – and that makes a joke out of a whole mess of other stuff –
> like most of what we think we know about meetings, the management of
> meetings, and management itself. Double trouble!!
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Harrison Owen
>
> 7808 River Falls Drive
>
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>
> Phone 301-365-2093
>
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