Creation

[Patricia Haines]

I like this 'separateness is an illusion' - at the core of creation theology, and as just aid, most of the world's faith traditions. And this is one reason I'm such an avid OST fan: the coming together to shre diversity of thought and approaches to action within a framework of collective commitment

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--- On Mon, 2/16/09, Carol Hiltner <carol.hiltner at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Carol Hiltner <carol.hiltner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OSLIST] Creation
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Date: Monday, February 16, 2009, 12:13 PM


It seems to me that Patricia's caveat of "after the first moment" is the sticking point

If "God" is anthropomorphized to mean the big man with the white beard -- as something apart from His creation -- we do indeed have a conundrum. Such is the inconsistency in secular Western thought.

However, if we do accept HE/SHE/IT as omnipresent, omnicient, and omnipotent, there is no possibility of anything being other than God. Therefore, separateness is an illusion, and the universe was indeed Self-organized -- and continues to be. From what I have seen, this is the viewpoint held by most mystics (East or West), as well as most First Peoples.
Carol



On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net> wrote:

If we say we live in a self-organizing universe, and if we also say there is no such thing as a non-self-organizing system, then where does that leave us with regard to the biblical creation story of the original seven days -- which seems to lay down holy word that it is possible create a comprehensive order out of nothing?

It's irrelevant that the biblical story may or may not be literally true.  We must recognize the impact this version of creation has had on our collective consciousness in the West, if not all over the world.  This model of order-out-of-chaos dominates most, if not all our modern institutions.  It lays the framework for how we see the world and how we seek to relate to it, its systems, and itc challenges.  It's the pattern for government, business, education, community development, religion, etc.  It even dictates how we shall relate to Earth itself.

When we ask people to accept the belief that there is no such thing as a non-self-organizing system, aren't we saying, "The story we have all lived by, whether we consciously realize it or not, is wrong, profoundly inaccurate, and dangerous"?

Ralph

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