Wikis and Open Space

Wed Dec 2 06:46:56 PST 2009

Dear Michael, and Dear Gerard,

great! this is very helpful, I for one, would like to keep this connection
live between wikis and Open Space.

/rut

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Michael Herman
<michael at michaelherman.com>wrote:

> > "What wikis
> are for internet, Open Space is for face to face meetings".
>
> <grin> those not familiar with wiki and ward cunningham might appreciate
> another quote of ward's, about what a wiki is:  "wiki is the simplest online
> database that could possibly work."
>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
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> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:43 PM, <openspacedk1 at webhotel18.webhosting.dk>wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> To Michaels' summary I can add one detail about the link between Open
>> Space and Wikis.
>> The 2006 Wikisym, where Ted & I facilitated the Open Space part, was the
>> one and only time where I went not knowing the central theme, not having
>> met either my client or my
>> co-facilitator, and not knowing the exact time schedule either. Nor was it
>> clear who was going to make an opening statement. I had visited the
>> premises so I had an idea what was possible, and other than that after
>> having E-mailed and Skyped a bit I had a sense
>> we'd figure things out at the site, the evening beforehand.
>>
>> The one detail that came to my mind is that while we were sitting at a
>> dinner table
>> in a restaurant not far from the meeting site, and we came to the point on
>> my little checklist on who would make an openings statement, there were a
>> couple other participants at another table, one of whom was Ward
>> Cunningham. He gracefully accepted
>> making an opening statement, and I recall one sentence from it "What wikis
>> are for internet, Open Space is for face to face meetings".
>>
>> How's that for a summary, or quote ?
>>
>> Greetings from Holland,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerard Muller
>> Open Space Institute Denmark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > hello rut,
>> >
>> > here  is some of the link between wiki and open space...
>> >
>> > peggy holman told me about wiki, maybe as early as 1999 or 2000?  i went
>> > to see ward's wiki and portland pattern language and didn't understand
>> > any of it.  in fact, i walked around for a few days utterly baffled by
>> > this word "pattern" that i thought i remembered actually knowing and
>> > using, but now i had no idea what it meant anymore.
>> >
>> > then, the real connecting happened in 2001.  i facilitatated a big slice
>> > of the agile/xp universe (agile development, extreme programming)
>> > conference here in chicago.  they used a wiki to capture all the
>> > proceedings.  along the way, a participant from stuttgart, chris wega,
>> > coached me in how to set up a wiki, and asked lots of questions about
>> > facilitating open space.  i had a wiki up and running by the end of the
>> > conference.  six months later, i'd set them up at open spaceworld for
>> > all the english content, for artur's iberian language work, for the
>> > estonians, and some others.  we used a wiki for the proceedings of the
>> > 2002 osonos in marysville (australia) and i introduced wikis to my
>> > training groups in various places around the world, using it to capture
>> > some proceedings.  i also heard from chris that he'd gone home and the
>> > local/regional java users group/board had blown up and he'd jumped in
>> > and facilitated a larger open space meeting of the membership in that
>> > vacuum.  so that was one big trade.  i know i met diana larsen at that
>> > conference, as well.  and if she knew about ost before the conference,
>> > she knew more about it afterward, and that's when she started
>> > facilitating ost, i think.
>> >
>> > later, 2006, a number of us organized "recent changes camp" in portland.
>> > this was a downstream thing that flowed from a "giving conference" and
>> > two "omidyar member conferences" that we'd planned in 2004 and 2005.
>> > the planning for recent changes camp was actually begun by ted ernst and
>> > some wiki folks, who'd been to our earlier conferences and so used the
>> > expansive dashboard of their mini-van as that posting wall for open
>> > space discussion topics, as they drove from portland to seattle to *san
>> > diego* to wikisym. at wiki sym, they opened a spontaneous space with a
>> > bulletin board wall for issues created in a hallway and with nametags
>> > that said "ask me about open space."  ted ernst was asked to facilitate
>> > more formal open space at two or more subsequent wikisyms, one of which
>> > he co-facilitated with gerard muller.
>> >
>> > when recent changes camp did happen, i facilitated that.  ward
>> > cunningham, wiki creator, was there, as were a number of other very wiki
>> > people.  the point of the event was, after the wikisym guerrilla open
>> > space effort, to do a proper 3-day open space, with wiki folks, other
>> > tech folks and a bunch of community organizer/facilitator types, to make
>> > a lot of connecting and learning, but also so the techies could get a
>> > really good, clean look at ost.  many were intrigued, given barcamp
>> > history, but hadn't seen a good clean ost event.  so they ran the test,
>> > it worked perfectly.  the whole thing was planned, documented, and
>> > sustained for several rounds, maybe still echoing, in a series of wiki
>> > sites.  kaliya hamlin was among the more technical folks present for
>> > that first recent changes camp, so that was another big connecting
>> > between the two stories.
>> >
>> > there's no doubt more to the story than this, but these are likely some
>> > of the big chunks.
>> >
>> > m
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Michael Herman
>> > Michael Herman Associates
>> >
>> > http://www.michaelherman.com
>> > http://www.ronanparktrail.com
>> > http://www.chicagoconservationcorps.org
>> > http://www.openspaceworld.org
>> >
>> > 312-280-7838 (mobile)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 7:18 AM, rut jesus <rut.jesus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear All,
>> >>
>> >> Anne Goldenberg and I have recently proposed to the conference
>> >> WikiWars (to be held in Bangalore, January 2010) an installation
>> >> (consisting of a giant cube with concepts to be written, connected,
>> >> discussed) that is a mixture of Open Space, Glass Plate Game and Mind
>> >> Maps.
>> >>
>> >> So, we have a question to the list that would really inform our work:
>> >>
>> >> - The link between Open Space and Wikis seems to be there. Who were
>> >> the people who did it? Has anyone written about it?
>> >>
>> >> We were also interested in finding out what academic/research work has
>> >> been done on Open Space, where to find it, what were the
>> >> results/conclusions - but this was answered in a post some days ago.
>> >> thank you.
>> >>
>> >> best wishes,
>> >> Rut
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