Hunger

Mon Oct 27 15:02:01 PDT 2008

Wael,

It's so good to read that you're hopeful about "a better organisation to solve urgent issues,
to cover real urgent needs"

I think OST is a powerful tool on the way to develop better organizations as it is not a tool for discussions only, it also encourages action, co-creation and re-organization by its nature.

Pat,

I agree with you. I don't want to put the burden of everything on US, but i can not deny that US policies affect all the world.

And everybody,

i am afraid that we are trading the hunger, the greed, the need for security of those who are in power with the food, the security, the smile of our children? and i am even more afraid since this looks normal.

Regards,

Funda   

--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Wael Al Saad <palestine.nw at googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Wael Al Saad <palestine.nw at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: Hunger
To: fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com
Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:29 AM

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Dear Funda and all,

I am relative new on this list. I live in Germany/Düsseldorf. My origin and social back-ground is from the middle-east/Palestine. So I know examples where people develop own economic crises in order to fulfil "material standard expectations" by others (social fake). Other examples where people send their kids for bigging and other examples where militants becomes their salary for living .. Searching for meanings and solutions, while having own feet in the middle of hot spots, or being sensitive Palestinian make me very sensitive global citizen seeing most of our issue from third dimention, recognizing the huge open space we have to think and act in synergy. 

So I could not pass this thread without few reflections ..

"Wars, Violance, Hunger and Diseases" should have been the main issues in our agenda

I like this film as it shows, that the agenda is much complex but it is getting more and more clear for the most of us in our integral world. This complexity can not be handled within the linear bureaucratic system we have, controlled by a minority, who try to delegate their power on the majority.  This is one reason for 
"why we can not  get better organized"
The other is that the humanity is emerging into new period, new experience, where we still need to learn how to deal with it. The time is not yet ripe for "new integral solution" as the tools and foundations are missing. But it is very promising to observe these foundations and new solution environment are under development in many spots around the glob. 

Personal within the discussions about "Global Brain Application", I try to find new formulas of co-creation of common enviornement challenging the "better organisation" we lack. 

Rob,

I like the title " 'behavioral change architect " and the concept behind :)  ..I had to think simultaneously about "NATURAL CONSEQUENCES = NATURAL DISCIPLINE " 

Over my discussion i plead for new initiatives with ZERO propaganda! Such kind of solution approach requires much precise architect than the emotional personal motivated one. 

Problem is: I do not know what kind of help this man needs and unfortunately I am not in any direct contact with the one hungry to ask / discuss (in true, respectful dialogue) how I can help.  

There is so much unused space to draw down the value-network/chain between you and the other end of hungry people. Once this is done, the problem you address is solved. Unless we have the environment to do it in common, our contribution to solve any problem will be weak. 

All the best,

Waelhttp://gbasetup.ning.com/

2008/10/24 funda oral <fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com>

sorry i need to correct :

If we think of our world, "Wars, Violance, Hunger and Diseases" should have been the main issues in our agenda.

--- On Fri, 10/24/08, funda oral <fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: funda oral <fundaoral2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hunger
To: "OSLIST" <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 8:19 PM

If we think of our world, Wars, Violance and Diseases should have been the main issues in our agenda. Because firstly these are the problems faced by majority of the population,
secondly the communication technology makes it possible for us to get current information on time, thirdly every human being is against all of them, and fourthly, we have globally enough resources to end all these problems in one month.

So why this doesn't happen? I guess our agenda is full of issues which are not that urgent although we all feel that somethings are wrong. We don't know how to get organized efficiently to be able to end these problems. Hopefully there are a lot of effort.

Personally, as many others in the list, i do a lot of work in these areas and i know how one simple word and act can change the lives of many people. 

My wonder is, knowing our intelligence, sensitivity and potential to collaborate, why we can not  get better organized to END these problems, no matter how much we are divided in different countries, religions, ages, sexes, identities, ethnics, professions, classes and so on. 

Funda

--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Pat Black <patoitextiles at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Pat Black <patoitextiles at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hunger
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 2:38 PM

Funda and all who have been engaged in this question,
I have been in deep thought about your question Funda and it has directed my thoughts to other questions.  Sitting in the United States I have to wonder if the militarization of my country, wars around the globe that directly involve our military, those that  result from our covert military operations and those that happen for reasons unrelated to our agenda and hunger are not directly related to the United States governement and citizens wanting to support an unsustainble hunger for more things.  Could the current situation we find the world in be directly related to militarization intended to bolster and grow an economy to accommodate unsustainable and unquenchable appetites for more things.  These are questions and they frame my thoughts on where to enter in.
Pat Black

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Michael Herman <michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:

two bits that might or might not be useful in these wonderings...

first, we did a statewide "food security summit" in illinois in 2001.  three days, full-on ost. proceedings are still posted here... http://www.michaelherman.com/publications/foodsecurity.pdf.  the event was sponsored by a large local foundation.  invitees included policy folks, farmers, soup kitchen managers, chefs, food pantries, homeless shelters, food distributors.  and associated agency folk like our friend ted ernst, who sort of followed me home from that event and discovered all of you here on the list.  the theme of the summit, subsequent events, and ongoing work was/is essentially "healthy food for all."

later on, ralph, we did a regional followup to address the findings of a report done by a new jersey outfit, called redtomato.org.  

michael

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net> wrote:

Hunger is a tragedy anywhere, anytime.

That said...

In my experience, trying to organize a group of process consultants to deal with a specific issue has not worked.  It seems to matter little how deeply our hearts are stirred, we never get it going.  Conference calls and meetings get put together, and assignments get accepted, but things have always broken down on definitions, roles, deadlines. etc.  We do not follow through.

OS can be a HUGE and important contribution to any social change movement.  Can we use it to address the challenge of hunger.  OF COURSE we can.  It's a natural.  It's obvious.  We all know this.  But that's not the question.  Will we get something done around this?  That's really the question.

My answer to Michael's question?  Yes, it's a silly idea.

Now, please, somebody.  Make me eat these words.

Ralph Copleman

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