New York City

Communications Esther Matte ematte at excellence.ca
Fri May 16 05:26:26 PDT 2008


Hi Scott,

Thanks so much for taking the lead! I'd certainly 
like to participate. I'll be moving to NYC only 
in the first days of July. However, we're going 
appartment hunting from June 7 to June 14. So if 
that week is good, I'd make a special effort to 
come. In which case I would prefer ThursdayJune 
12, as I will hopefully have found the apartment 
by then, but I'd try to make it too for any other day during that week.

And if that week is not good, then I'll attend your next Stammtisch!

By the way, do you know of www.doodle.ch? (the 
main page is in French, but you can pick from 
several languages at the bottom)  It's a fabulous 
and easy tool to organize a meeting. You can 
create a survey and people simply go and indicate their availabilities.

Really looking forward to meeting you all OS NY'ers. Have a great weekend!

Esther M.


At 23:00 2008-05-15, you wrote:
>I am willing to take the lead on hosting a NYC Stammitische.
>A couple of folks from other parts of the world 
>have indicated that they are coming to
>NYC and would love to participate.
>I don't have a favorite pub or bar in mind and would welcome recommendations.
>We also need to figure out some best days/dates.
>The slightly traditional Monday nites won't work 
>for me because I teach grad school,
>change management classes on those nights from June through December.
>Can't change that now.
>
>If OS NY'ers will come out of the woodwork, give 
>some feedback, we could have good chat and a 
>good evening.  Share some of your ideas, 
>availability and feedback and I will organize accordingly.
>
>Scott Gassman
>
>On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Susan Coleman 
><<mailto:sc at colemanraider.com>sc at colemanraider.com> wrote:
>Hi Laurence and everyone in NY,
>
>I was wondering if a stammitische was edible -- 
>which is always good by me -- and, in the end, 
>sounds like it sort of is so hope it 
>self-organizes (I too not quite ready to take 
>the lead, but love the idea)  Susan
>
>
>
>On May 14, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Laurence Berg wrote:
>
>>Hi again New Yorkers (current, soon-to-be, and virtual),
>>
>>I would be glad to see a stammtische work 
>>here.  I'm not ready to take the lead myself at 
>>the moment, but that won't be a problem since it's self-organizing ;) .
>>
>>Susan (fondly waving back), the stammtische (I 
>>no longer know if 'm spelling it correctly) is 
>>a German expression meaning "tribe table," 
>>which might translate as "salon."  Basically 
>>it's an evening in a bar or restaurant with a 
>>bunch of folks interested in getting together 
>>with OS principles guiding the evening - 
>>whatever people want to talk about gets talked 
>>about, in a group or multiple groups.  There's the OS connection, of course.
>>
>>I don't know how different NY really is from 
>>other cities, but I would amend Michael's 
>>helpful points to say that one week isn't 
>>enough advance notice (but a good time for a 
>>reminder).  And, recognizing Michael is 
>>speaking American as a second language (if I'm 
>>not mistaken), I might also check to see if the 
>>owner is a female before following his suggestions to the letter ;) .
>>
>>-Laurence
>>
>>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive 
>>to fondly, and greetings to you too Esther. We 
>>look forward to your arrival.  What the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>>
>>Susan
>>
>>
>>Susan W. Coleman
>>
>>Coleman Raider International
>>  --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,
>>    Collaborative Change Strategies
>>
>>     Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.
>>     Tel:  (845) 424 8300
>>     Cellular:  (845) 661 0350
>>     Fax:  (845)  424 3853
>>     Email: <mailto:sc at colemanraider.com>sc at colemanraider.com
>>     Webpage:  <http://www.colemanraider.com/>http://www.colemanraider.com
>>
>>
>>
>>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>>
>>>Michael,
>>>
>>>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
>>>and providing what it takes..
>>>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
>>>snowballing.
>>>I will think about what you have shared.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>--
>>>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M 
>>>Pannwitz <<mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org>mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
>>>Dear Scott,
>>>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
>>>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>>>
>>>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>>>
>>>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, 
>>>Bar, whatever) where you like the food and 
>>>drinks and invite everyone (you might try the 
>>>first Monday evening of every odd month)and go 
>>>there. If nobody comes, you had a great time 
>>>at your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time  for you
>>>
>>>3. But, alas, people will show up because they 
>>>like the idea of meeting you, talking (maybe) 
>>>about open space and coming to an event that has only a starting time
>>>
>>>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him 
>>>well) and advise him that you are coming and 
>>>that there may be some more people, he will like that
>>>
>>>5. Send an email about a week before the 
>>>stammtisch inviting people to join ... this 
>>>mail should go to the list so that people 
>>>passing through NY will drop in and, it should 
>>>go to all New Yorkers (if all of you guys in 
>>>New York include yourself in the worldmap, it 
>>>will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
>>>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the 
>>>thousands of osworkers in the USA have 
>>>included themselves in the worldmap, that 
>>>makes for an average of one per State, a grand 
>>>start! %1 is exactly the number of people 
>>>listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the stammtisch.
>>>(Here is the link for including yourself
>>><http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198
>>>
>>>
>>>If you go to the homepage of the map
>>><http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/>http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>and click on Menu and then search and enter 
>>>New York you will see 3 colleagues listed)
>>>
>>>6. Send out a note to the list after the 
>>>stammtisch and report the great stuff that happened there
>>>
>>>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which 
>>>is the most localized OSonOS in your 
>>>neighborhood...especially when you cant go to 
>>>the regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>>>
>>>Greetings from Berlin
>>>mmp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Scott Gassman wrote:
>>>Laurence,
>>>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to  initiate a
>>>stammtische.
>>>
>>>A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>>>
>>>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>>>
>>>Scott Gassman
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence 
>>>Berg <<mailto:laurenceberg at gmail.com>laurenceberg at gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Esther,
>>>
>>>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
>>>Canadian mission, too.)  Feel free to get in touch.
>>>
>>>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others and it
>>>didn't get off the ground here.  NY is an odd place.
>>>
>>>-Laurence
>>>
>>>--
>>>Conflict Resolution Specialist
>>>Training - Facilitation - Assessment * *
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>>Hi Susan,
>>
>>Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the 
>>german word for that table in a restaurant or 
>>pub where the regulars sit at for a beer or 
>>something after work or at night. In rural 
>>Germany, there is always (or was when I lived 
>>there 15 years ago) a table marked 
>>"stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these 
>>regulars. So they know that when they come, 
>>they'll meet other regulars and have a place to 
>>sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right Michael?
>>
>>Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS 
>>Stammtisch Michael provided a few months back :
>>
>>"A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a 
>>regular time (like every Tuesday evening, or 
>>once a month or, as is the case with the os 
>>stammtische around the planet, every Monday of 
>>every odd month at 7pm)where people interested 
>>in a particular aspect of life, as for instance 
>>open space, gather for beer (other drinks are 
>>perfectly ok) and food as everyone wishes and 
>>talk with each other about whatever is on top 
>>of your mind regarding open space (in a broader 
>>sense). People come and go as they find useful, 
>>some arrive at 7 pm (I usually even earlier to 
>>secure a table and talk to the people in the 
>>pub), some as late as 11 pm and it will usually 
>>last until well past midnight. No agenda, lots 
>>of energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin several 
>>people came because they needed work (in os, of 
>>course), well, they in fact found others that 
>>were looking for help. So its networking, 
>>creating collaboration, new ideas are born, 
>>people bring stuff for each other to look at 
>>(pictures, a couple of books of proceedings 
>>from recent open spaces, a bottle of brandy 
>>from Kyiv,  there are always a couple of 
>>laptops to show things to each other and to 
>>write an email to another stammtisch lets say in Kyiv or Budapest..).
>>Often, there are also visitors from other 
>>countries passing through Berlin that are real 
>>open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard 
>>of the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."
>>
>>Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 
>>pm,have a beer, dinner, talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.
>>
>>Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)
>>
>>Esther M.
>>
>>
>>At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:
>>>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive 
>>>to fondly, and greetings to you too Esther. We 
>>>look forward to your arrival.  What the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>>>
>>>Susan
>>>
>>>
>>>Susan W. Coleman
>>>
>>>Coleman Raider International
>>>  --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,
>>>    Collaborative Change Strategies
>>>
>>>     Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.
>>>     Tel:  (845) 424 8300
>>>     Cellular:  (845) 661 0350
>>>     Fax:  (845)  424 3853
>>>     Email: <mailto:sc at colemanraider.com>sc at colemanraider.com
>>>     Webpage:  <http://www.colemanraider.com/>http://www.colemanraider.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>>>
>>>>Michael,
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
>>>>and providing what it takes..
>>>>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
>>>>snowballing.
>>>>I will think about what you have shared.
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>--
>>>>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M 
>>>>Pannwitz <<mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org>mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
>>>>Dear Scott,
>>>>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
>>>>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>>>>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>>>>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, 
>>>>Bar, whatever) where you like the food and 
>>>>drinks and invite everyone (you might try the 
>>>>first Monday evening of every odd month)and 
>>>>go there. If nobody comes, you had a great 
>>>>time at your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time  for you
>>>>3. But, alas, people will show up because 
>>>>they like the idea of meeting you, talking 
>>>>(maybe) about open space and coming to an event that has only a starting time
>>>>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him 
>>>>well) and advise him that you are coming and 
>>>>that there may be some more people, he will like that
>>>>5. Send an email about a week before the 
>>>>stammtisch inviting people to join ... this 
>>>>mail should go to the list so that people 
>>>>passing through NY will drop in and, it 
>>>>should go to all New Yorkers (if all of you 
>>>>guys in New York include yourself in the 
>>>>worldmap, it will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
>>>>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the 
>>>>thousands of osworkers in the USA have 
>>>>included themselves in the worldmap, that 
>>>>makes for an average of one per State, a 
>>>>grand start! %1 is exactly the number of 
>>>>people listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the stammtisch.
>>>>(Here is the link for including yourself
>>>><http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you go to the homepage of the map
>>>><http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/>http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>and click on Menu and then search and enter 
>>>>New York you will see 3 colleagues listed)
>>>>6. Send out a note to the list after the 
>>>>stammtisch and report the great stuff that happened there
>>>>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which 
>>>>is the most localized OSonOS in your 
>>>>neighborhood...especially when you cant go to 
>>>>the regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>>>>Greetings from Berlin
>>>>mmp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Scott Gassman wrote:
>>>>Laurence,
>>>>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to  initiate a
>>>>stammtische.
>>>>A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>>>>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>>>>Scott Gassman
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence 
>>>>Berg <<mailto:laurenceberg at gmail.com>laurenceberg at gmail.com >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Esther,
>>>>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
>>>>Canadian mission, too.)  Feel free to get in touch.
>>>>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others and it
>>>>didn't get off the ground here.  NY is an odd place.
>>>>-Laurence
>>>>--
>>>>Conflict Resolution Specialist
>>>>Training - Facilitation - Assessment * *
>>>>==========================================================
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>>>>
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>>>>IdeaJuice
>>>>(917) 951 - 0258
>>>><mailto:scott.gassman at gmail.com>scott.gassman at gmail.com
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>>Arno
>>
>>Raffi Aftandelian wrote:
>>Jack, thanks much for starting this conversation and thank you Arno and
>>Wendy for your upper-middle browed catmatism. In this same vain, i'd like to
>>off-err sum moor thoughts on Open Spay(s): purr-sion deux paw o.
>>
>>
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>>Right, Esther M., I know you will have a great 
>>time at the NY Stammtisch...its space and time 
>>for just about anything to happen, even a 
>>discussion on OS 2.f or the best recipes for 
>>dips for fingerfood for Open Space buffets, classical, 2.f style or whatever
>>Greetings from Berlin
>>mmp
>>
>>Communications Esther Matte wrote:
>>Hi Susan,
>>
>>Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the 
>>german word for that table in a restaurant or 
>>pub where the regulars sit at for a beer or 
>>something after work or at night. In rural 
>>Germany, there is always (or was when I lived 
>>there 15 years ago) a table marked 
>>"stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these 
>>regulars. So they know that when they come, 
>>they'll meet other regulars and have a place to 
>>sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right Michael?
>>
>>Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS 
>>Stammtisch Michael provided a few months back :
>>
>>"A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a 
>>regular time (like every Tuesday evening, or 
>>once a month or, as is the case with the os 
>>stammtische around the planet, every Monday of 
>>every odd month at 7pm)where people interested 
>>in a particular aspect of life, as for instance 
>>open space, gather for beer (other drinks are 
>>perfectly ok) and food as everyone wishes and 
>>talk with each other about whatever is on top 
>>of your mind regarding open space (in a broader 
>>sense). People come and go as they find useful, 
>>some arrive at 7 pm (I usually even earlier to 
>>secure a table and talk to the people in the 
>>pub), some as late as 11 pm and it will usually 
>>last until well past midnight. No agenda, lots 
>>of energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin several 
>>people came because they needed work (in os, of 
>>course), well, they in fact found others that 
>>were looking for help. So its networking, 
>>creating collaboration, new ideas are born, 
>>people bring stuff for each other to look at 
>>(pictures, a couple of books of proceedings 
>>from recent open spaces, a bottle of brandy 
>>from Kyiv,  there are always a couple of 
>>laptops to show things to each other and to 
>>write an email to another stammtisch lets say in Kyiv or Budapest..).
>>Often, there are also visitors from other 
>>countries passing through Berlin that are real 
>>open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard 
>>of the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."
>>
>>Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 
>>pm,have a beer, dinner, talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.
>>
>>Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)
>>
>>Esther M.
>>
>>
>>At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:
>>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive 
>>to fondly, and greetings to you too Esther. We 
>>look forward to your arrival.  What the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>>
>>Susan
>>
>>
>>Susan W. Coleman
>>
>>Coleman Raider International
>>  --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,
>>   Collaborative Change Strategies
>>
>>    Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.
>>    Tel:  (845) 424 8300
>>    Cellular:  (845) 661 0350
>>    Fax:  (845)  424 3853
>>    Email: 
>> <mailto:sc at colemanraider.com><mailto:sc at colemanraider.com>sc at colemanraider.com
>>    Webpage: 
>> <<http://www.colemanraider.com/>http://www.colemanraider.com/>http://www.colemanraider.com
>>
>>
>>
>>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>>
>>Michael,
>>
>>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
>>and providing what it takes..
>>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
>>snowballing.
>>I will think about what you have shared.
>>
>>Scott
>>--
>>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M 
>>Pannwitz 
>><<mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org><mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org>mmpanne at boscop.org> 
>>wrote:
>>Dear Scott,
>>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
>>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>>
>>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>>
>>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, 
>>Bar, whatever) where you like the food and 
>>drinks and invite everyone (you might try the 
>>first Monday evening of every odd month)and go 
>>there. If nobody comes, you had a great time at 
>>your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time  for you
>>
>>3. But, alas, people will show up because they 
>>like the idea of meeting you, talking (maybe) 
>>about open space and coming to an event that has only a starting time
>>
>>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him 
>>well) and advise him that you are coming and 
>>that there may be some more people, he will like that
>>
>>5. Send an email about a week before the 
>>stammtisch inviting people to join ... this 
>>mail should go to the list so that people 
>>passing through NY will drop in and, it should 
>>go to all New Yorkers (if all of you guys in 
>>New York include yourself in the worldmap, it 
>>will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
>>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands 
>>of osworkers in the USA have included 
>>themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an 
>>average of one per State, a grand start! %1 is 
>>exactly the number of people listed for 
>>Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the stammtisch.
>>(Here is the link for including yourself
>><<http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198 
>>
>>
>>
>>If you go to the homepage of the map
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>>and click on Menu and then search and enter New 
>>York you will see 3 colleagues listed)
>>
>>6. Send out a note to the list after the 
>>stammtisch and report the great stuff that happened there
>>
>>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is 
>>the most localized OSonOS in your 
>>neighborhood...especially when you cant go to 
>>the regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>>
>>Greetings from Berlin
>>mmp
>>
>>
>>
>>Scott Gassman wrote:
>>Laurence,
>>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to  initiate a
>>stammtische.
>>
>>A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>>
>>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>>
>>Scott Gassman
>>
>>
>>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg 
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>>
>>Hi Esther,
>>
>>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
>>Canadian mission, too.)  Feel free to get in touch.
>>
>>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others and it
>>didn't get off the ground here.  NY is an odd place.
>>
>>-Laurence
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>>Dear fellow spaceholders,
>>
>>Fresh back from a little over a month in Moscow and St. Petersburg working
>>with OST and related approaches, I'd like to share a little of my
>>impressions and questions. Overall, not sure there is much here to add to
>>the larger Open Space conversation, but I feel it is important to share
>>nonetheless. I'm also sharing here not just on OST but related approaches in
>>part because I think all of this work spoke to creating and experiencing the
>>larger Open Space of life.
>>
>>I arrived in Moscow the evening of April 2nd and the morning of April 4th
>>conducted a one day Introduction to Dynamic Facilitation (DF) workshop for a
>>group of corporate trainers at the invitation of a trainer development club
>>called the Mark Kukushkin Open Trainer 
>>University (<http://otumka.ru>otumka.ru) I've only been
>>working with DF for six months and most of that experience has been one on
>>one phone work. So, it was definitely a risk to go ahead and offer this
>>workshop to a group of 15.
>>
>>It helped to frame this workshop as an experiment and also to invite people
>>to set aside all their knowledge about training and learning aside for the
>>purposes of the workshop. Even though- as I expected- DF did not deliver a
>>breakthrough or aha!- 1 ¼ hours is just not enough time in the space of a
>>daylong workshop to experience that- the short time they had to practice and
>>also to reflect on the process. Open Space principles using a Whole Person
>>Process Facilitation container
>>(<http://genuinecontact.net/mtg_whole_person.html>http://genuinecontact.net/mtg_whole_person.html) 
>>informed the design for
>>this and all the other workshops conducted during my stay. By the end of the
>>workshop even the most skeptical saw value in the approach and seemed
>>interested in trying it out even (or especially?) as it challenged most
>>directly the whole Change Management paradigm.
>>
>>Inspired by the example of Thomas Herrmann, I'll be following up with this
>>(and the other groups) 4-6 months from now to evaluate the effectiveness of
>>these workshops.
>>
>>April 5th was a full day Introduction to OST workshop at the same trainer
>>club, with a few of the same participants, altogether a group of 15. Olga
>>Zolotareva, previously a corporate trainer with Beeline, one of Russia's Big
>>Three cellular providers, co-held the space within the workshop for a 4 hour
>>OST meeting "My growth edges as a trainer/coach: issues and opportunities."
>>Among the 10 topics:
>>
>>"How to win a corporate tender"
>>"What benefit is there in corporate learning programs?"
>>"The coach/trainer at the summit: what does she/he think about?"
>>"Different applications of OST"
>>"Knowledge management in trainings"
>>
>>A mini-non-convergence was held – if I'm using the term correctly- where
>>participants were invited to develop action plans, announce a new topic, or
>>further discuss a previously announced topic.
>>
>>This was perhaps a first time in my experience in really being able to
>>discern what words in explaining how they would be invited to work would
>>best serve the group. And special attention was given to reduce the Magic
>>Charm Effect in part by pausing and having silence in the opening only so
>>much and not to a point that could cause discomfort among the participants.
>>It has really helped to listen over and over to disk one of "Understanding
>>Open Space" and to hear how Harrison subtly invites the shamanic in the
>>opening..
>>
>>Part of what was emphasized in the context of this OST meeting was:
>>a) an invitation to consider what personal successes they were embarrassed
>>of- a way of considering perhaps that sometimes success is really a time
>>when one held back and didn't take the full risk and did something well but
>>not terribly differently from before; in other 
>>words control was not let go of
>>
>>b) an invitation to consider which personal oops, failures, catastrophes,
>>and fiascoes they have to celebrate as delicious indications of growth
>>opportunities, road signs which scream loudly "take risk here!"
>>
>>This seasoning in the opening really seemed to help the group to get
>>straight to work as if they'd taken part in OST 
>>many times before (they hadn't).
>>
>>The overall design for the OST one day learning workshop was:
>>
>>Introductions (a process-facilitated "transfer-in" using illegally imported
>>into Russia natural objects from San Diego, Florida, and Iran. Participants
>>took an object from the center and were invited to ask themselves what the
>>object told them about what brought them to the workshop)
>>
>>A little about the workshop- with an invitation to set aside everything they
>>know about training, facilitation for the duration of the workshop to
>>maximize their own benefit from the workshop
>>
>>Hopes and fears- work in groups of four on identifying their own hopes and
>>fears regarding the workshop
>>
>>A break
>>
>>Then the 4 hour OST meeting
>>
>>Another short break
>>
>>And then five questions were posted around the room – drawing on the core
>>questions, as I understand them, in the Genuine Contact Program's three-four
>>day OST learning workshop -
>>
>>- what do the participants, sponsor, facilitator feel during an OST  meeting?
>>- what is OST?
>>- what are key elements of OST's form?
>>- what are key elements of OST's essence?
>>- what does the facilitator do to prepare the sponsor, facilitate the OST
>>meeting, and to follow up?
>>
>>And the participants were invited work with these 5 "sessions"
>>simultaneously for 30 minutes as if in OS. They were also invited to
>>announce any other sessions, which they did. Time was set aside to answer
>>any questions. And I did a little presentation about when to use/not use
>>OST, working with the sponsor, and the energetics of walking the circle
>>(sorry, Jack!, no meditations on the romantic quality of a Brighton bicycle
>>horn!) with a little bit of practice with the whole group in the last.
>>
>>At the end of the workshop, I invited anyone who cared to to step forward to
>>conduct a week later a follow up meeting and a further meeting 4-6 months
>>down the line.  Doesn't look like it will happen.
>>
>>It was really refreshing to see how easily people for the most part took to
>>this kind of facilitation and to see how much ground could be covered in the
>>space of a day.
>>
>>Overall, it was really palpable how in the space of less than a year and a
>>half- since the last time I was in Russia, living there- how time has
>>speeded up even more and space is even more compressed. On the one hand
>>there seems to be less space for grassroot initiatives and social change –
>>what with the continuing building by the Kremlin of the so-called Power
>>Vertical-, and on the other hand the soil, air, water seem even riper than
>>ever for Open Space.
>>
>>People just took to it like ducks to water, even if at the outset of the
>>workshop there was this energy of people sitting with crossed arms with a
>>look that seemed to say "What does this American have to show us?!"
>>
>>The following day Sergei Shchepilov and Anna Bernikova who some met at the
>>Kiev or Moscow WOSonOS held the space for a daylong stammtische/mentoring
>>circle for about ten of us in Moscow. The romantic process-oriented in me
>>was magically charmed by the use of the jaw harp and a Russian jerry-rigged
>>version of the Tibetan temple bells- Sergei took the "tongue" out of two
>>Valdai bells and strung them together. Not sure there were any specific
>>business results from our gathering but it was great fun, OS storytelling,
>>and conversation held in a perfect space: an nonprofit art gallery
>>displaying paintings by children with disabilities.
>>
>>A little over a week later conducted an 1.5 hour storytelling workshop at
>>Intertraining's annual gathering of trainers and consultants. Just about
>>everyone – a group of 13- was surprised –almost uncomfortably so- how deep a
>>group of people who had never met before can get with a simple storytelling
>>circle. So many layers of meaning, so many questions elicited from the
>>stories told.
>>
>>And before heading off for St. Petersburg, I conducted another daylong
>>workshop, an Introduction to Dynamic Facilitation with a nonprofit
>>organization that invited me to do an OST strategic planning session a
>>number of years ago and now was regularly using OST for its own strategic
>>planning and programmatic work. Aside from yet another set of aha's! from
>>people participating in the DF workshop it was exciting to hear that they
>>were now interested in exploring becoming a Conscious Open Space
>>Organization. Indeed, when they first experienced OST, they exclaimed "Why,
>>we've always been in Open Space!" Looking forward to following up with them
>>on this.
>>
>>The Coaching Institute 
>>(<http://coachinstitute.ru>coachinstitute.ru) in St. Petersburg had invited me
>>to conduct a three day OST learning workshop (as part of the Genuine Contact
>>Program). Previously, on the list I'd mentioned their bimonthly initiative
>>in partnership with other organizations, the Director's Club
>>(<http://directorclub.ru>directorclub.ru), a 
>>three hour OST meeting for CEO's of St.
>>Petersburg-based companies. Talking with them before, during, and after the
>>workshop, I really came to appreciate and admire their work deeply.
>>
>>The coaching they teach in their two year program is really something at the
>>nexus of coaching, psychotherapy, and facilitative leadership adapting
>>Western approaches to a Russian context. The Law of Two Feet – "the courage
>>to express what you want" in their parlance- carries through everything they
>>do. And I felt privileged to be conducting this learning workshop with one
>>of four organizations I have worked with in Russia that make an intimate
>>connection between Spirit and Practice.
>>
>>The structure of the workshop was essentially working with the same
>>questions as in the one day workshop, of course in more depth. Altogether
>>there were about 15 participants, including from the North Caucasus and
>>Siberia, about 1/3 were from the Coaching Institute, 2/3 were from other
>>(commercial) organizations or were representing themselves. Surprisingly,
>>some of the workshop participants had never even heard of OST before and yet
>>based on the workshop announcement had elected to come from thousands of
>>miles away!
>>
>>As part of the workshop there was a four hour OST meeting on the topic of
>>"Creating Healthy Organizations: Issues and Opportunities."
>>
>>Seven topics were announced, and there was again a non-convergence. Among
>>the topics:
>>
>>Russian business: Is it healthy? And to what extent?
>>The health of the CEO and the health of the organization- what is the
>>connection?
>>Using training and psychological workshops to introduce corporate standards
>>into a dealer network
>>Ambitious people, Grand goals: How can organizations avoid limiting them and
>>rather use them fully?
>>The consultant's role in organizational renewal: what is he/she truly
>>capable of?
>>
>>Highlights for the participants included the Whole Person Process design of
>>the workshop. Participants remarked on the surprising spaciousness of the
>>learning experience throughout and how the learning process seemed to be
>>markedly different from a typical training.
>>
>>As a group we did return to and talk about the original invitation for the
>>workshop. Initially, people who'd signed for the workshop had been invited
>>to co-design and co-lead the whole workshop, including the prep work and
>>follow-up work connected with it.
>>
>>Seeing as this was the first time I'd ever extended such an invitation for a
>>workshop and that the group hadn't apparently had prior experience, this did
>>not happen. What did happen, however, was planting of seeds and my sharing
>>some of my beliefs with the group that anytime we are in a learning
>>situation where there is a set program – even if it can be changed – the
>>open space for wonder and imagination, for giving birth to practical,
>>applicable situational knowledge is rather limited. That the deep learning
>>happens where the formal workshop leaders and participants are partners in
>>developing the workshop and its implementation and follow up. Who knows,
>>maybe next time the group might be able and willing to respond to this kind
>>of invitation?
>>
>>Speaking of invitation, the personal practice of invitation and inviting
>>leadership (as elaborated by Chris Corrigan and Michael Herman) really had
>>people buzzing. It felt really liberating that they were being invited
>>throughout to engage in whatever was planned, no need to "manage" the
>>participants!
>>
>>The Coaching Institute people really seem to take a ball and run with it.
>>Very curious as to where they take this further.
>>
>>The group was invited to join the larger OS and Genuine Contact community
>>and looking forward to seeing them on an OSlist or a WOSonOS near you!
>>
>>The following day I had the pleasure of working again with the Soldiers
>>Mothers of St. Petersburg
>>(<http://www.soldiersmothers.ru/pages/english/presentation.htm>http://www.soldiersmothers.ru/pages/english/presentation.htm) 
>>A number of
>>years ago I shared a little about working with them in OST. This time I
>>introduced them to Dynamic Facilitation, working with internal
>>organizational issues. One of the aha's from our two days of work together
>>was that in this highly turbulent time the main thing the organization
>>should focus on at a minimum is just to remain open, continue operating. The
>>organization just by its existence plants many seeds and the day will come
>>when the Power Vertical will just shift by itself into the Power Horizontal.
>>
>>We also continued an earlier conversation on how the organization might
>>potentially co-organize a series of public conversations using OST with
>>"problem" military bases – where a culture of torture and forced
>>prostitution of recruits is especially pronounced- on how they can work
>>together. This is not entirely a science fiction notion, it is doable.
>>Ideas, thoughts on moving this concept forward are welcome!
>>
>>And lastly in the oops! department – and frankly, I share this to also
>>invite others on the list to share their oops!, however small; I think we
>>learn more from each others' boo-boos more than from our glorious triumphs,
>>inspiring as they may be-: in doing a one day strategic session toward the
>>end of my stay with one organization, with a group of ten, I made a grave
>>error: one of the participants was there with her two year old. I'd seen the
>>child beforehand but it had not occurred to me to give thought to how the
>>child might invite an additional dimension during the opening. Needless to
>>say, during the opening, the child fell quite in love with the temple bells
>>(Magick charms again?) and dragged them across the floor making quite a
>>ruckus. It was a very messy, unclear opening for many of the participants.
>>And on top of that, many said they did not feel like I'd held the space.
>>They'd wished that I'd been in full view even if I was not party to the
>>conversations. And yet, my experience was that I was breathing with them the
>>whole time, sitting in the closest room, thinking of the group, and making
>>sure that I would not be too close to hear their conversations! Indeed, the
>>sponsor said he felt cheated. It was important to the group after the
>>closing just for me to hear them out, and for me to honestly acknowledge
>>where I felt I'd come up short
and where I hadn't. And to honestly and
>>openly express my sadness about how things had not worked out as wished for.
>>
>>I don't think that's the whole story, because others expressed privately
>>that this was a very productive meeting, with a chance to really get real in
>>a way that does not usually happen in their business meetings. Another
>>remarked that the meeting took their organization to a qualitatively
>>different level. Still much to chew on here!
>>
>>At the Moscow WOSonOS in 2006 Birgitt (Williams) shared how she was – in her
>>words- probably a slow learner as she found something new in OST and OS
>>every time she invited Harrison for a learning workshop in Canada for seven
>>years in a row. Indeed, my key learning from that WOSonOS is that I know
>>(next to?) nothing about OS/OST.
>>
>>I continue to make these huge, basic mistakes. If OS and OST has taught me
>>anything, however, it has helped me to be more 
>>forgiving of myself and others.
>>
>>One of the personally satisfying things to hear in the OST learning workshop
>>was a sense from the participants that the workshop leader really seemed to
>>live the principles of the approach. As I continue to wonder if I have a
>>personal practice of OS and what it looks like, it's heartening to hear such
>>feedback for the first time!
>>
>>Thank you for reading and letting me share this story. And continuing to
>>marvel and enjoy being part of the OS/GC communities.
>>
>>In appreciative granularity,
>>raffi
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>>Dear Jack and all,
>>
>>Putting the Discordian funny bone aside, it's great to have a conversation
>>about an updated version of OS, dogmatism, and the like.
>>
>>An Open Space Establishment is probably not an oxymoron for one good reason:
>>in any community - even in an ostensibly highly inclusive one- there is a
>>mainstream and a margin. Who is in the mainstream and in the margin is
>>another question and what purpose it would serve to even identify the two is
>>not clear.
>>
>>The list from your micro-site of OS 1.0 "nevers" and "always" is a fair one,
>>*and* just about all of those pieces of dogma have long been challenged here.
>>
>>Yes, OST is a very forgiving and adaptable approach *and* I wonder what is
>>lost energetically when more and more of those elements of form are tossed.
>>
>>I don't necessarily feel comfortable using tibetan temple bells, but I have
>>yet to come across something that produces a sound that invites a similar
>>level of presence. Yes, you don't *need* to do something to invite presence
>>in the beginning, *and* the quality of space created when presence is
>>invited is definitely different (preferable?).
>>
>>Perhaps part of the question is how to minimize an experience of the
>>culturally dissonant mystical and yet invite presence?
>>
>>If there were an OS 2.0 - and I'm curious what you might come up with-
>>perhaps it would have less to do with the Internet, web-based social
>>networking and possibly more to do with answering the question(s):
>>
>>How do we create permanent physical spaces that matter? How do we create
>>third places that matter? How do we create permanent community spaces for
>>people to talk about what is really important?
>>
>>The Internet, Web 2.0 are great and I think they aid us in bringing more of
>>the head into the complex inter-human collaborative equation, not sure how
>>well our bodies, hearts, and Spirits are enabled or engaged with this
>>technology...
>>
>>And perhaps those questions about creating physical space just might make it
>>to a Village Marketplace at a WOSonOS near you...
>>
>>appreciatively,
>>raffi
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>>Hey New Yorkers...
>>
>>I'll be in New York in the next couple of weeks 
>>as well, and although I'm not making any 
>>promises about getting together, there is a 
>>little group of folks I know and have been 
>>working with who might be interested in an NYC Stammtisch.
>>
>>So let's keep in touch!
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Michael M 
>>Pannwitz <<mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org>mmpanne at boscop.org> wrote:
>>Right, Esther M., I know you will have a great 
>>time at the NY Stammtisch...its space and time 
>>for just about anything to happen, even a 
>>discussion on OS 2.f or the best recipes for 
>>dips for fingerfood for Open Space buffets, classical, 2.f style or whatever
>>Greetings from Berlin
>>mmp
>>
>>Communications Esther Matte wrote:
>>Hi Susan,
>>
>>Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the 
>>german word for that table in a restaurant or 
>>pub where the regulars sit at for a beer or 
>>something after work or at night. In rural 
>>Germany, there is always (or was when I lived 
>>there 15 years ago) a table marked 
>>"stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these 
>>regulars. So they know that when they come, 
>>they'll meet other regulars and have a place to 
>>sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right Michael?
>>
>>Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS 
>>Stammtisch Michael provided a few months back :
>>
>>"A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a 
>>regular time (like every Tuesday evening, or 
>>once a month or, as is the case with the os 
>>stammtische around the planet, every Monday of 
>>every odd month at 7pm)where people interested 
>>in a particular aspect of life, as for instance 
>>open space, gather for beer (other drinks are 
>>perfectly ok) and food as everyone wishes and 
>>talk with each other about whatever is on top 
>>of your mind regarding open space (in a broader 
>>sense). People come and go as they find useful, 
>>some arrive at 7 pm (I usually even earlier to 
>>secure a table and talk to the people in the 
>>pub), some as late as 11 pm and it will usually 
>>last until well past midnight. No agenda, lots 
>>of energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin several 
>>people came because they needed work (in os, of 
>>course), well, they in fact found others that 
>>were looking for help. So its networking, 
>>creating collaboration, new ideas are born, 
>>people bring stuff for each other to look at 
>>(pictures, a couple of books of proceedings 
>>from recent open spaces, a bottle of brandy 
>>from Kyiv,  there are always a couple of 
>>laptops to show things to each other and to 
>>write an email to another stammtisch lets say in Kyiv or Budapest..).
>>Often, there are also visitors from other 
>>countries passing through Berlin that are real 
>>open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard 
>>of the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."
>>
>>Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 
>>pm,have a beer, dinner, talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.
>>
>>Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)
>>
>>Esther M.
>>
>>
>>At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:
>>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive 
>>to fondly, and greetings to you too Esther. We 
>>look forward to your arrival.  What the heck is a stammtisch anyway?
>>
>>Susan
>>
>>
>>Susan W. Coleman
>>
>>Coleman Raider International
>>  --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,
>>   Collaborative Change Strategies
>>
>>    Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.
>>    Tel:  (845) 424 8300
>>    Cellular:  (845) 661 0350
>>    Fax:  (845)  424 3853
>>    Email: <mailto:sc at colemanraider.com>sc at colemanraider.com
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>>
>>
>>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:
>>
>>Michael,
>>
>>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch
>>and providing what it takes..
>>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and
>>snowballing.
>>I will think about what you have shared.
>>
>>Scott
>>--
>>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M 
>>Pannwitz 
>><<mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org><mailto:mmpanne at boscop.org>mmpanne at boscop.org> 
>>wrote:
>>Dear Scott,
>>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
>>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:
>>
>>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes
>>
>>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, 
>>Bar, whatever) where you like the food and 
>>drinks and invite everyone (you might try the 
>>first Monday evening of every odd month)and go 
>>there. If nobody comes, you had a great time at 
>>your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time  for you
>>
>>3. But, alas, people will show up because they 
>>like the idea of meeting you, talking (maybe) 
>>about open space and coming to an event that has only a starting time
>>
>>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him 
>>well) and advise him that you are coming and 
>>that there may be some more people, he will like that
>>
>>5. Send an email about a week before the 
>>stammtisch inviting people to join ... this 
>>mail should go to the list so that people 
>>passing through NY will drop in and, it should 
>>go to all New Yorkers (if all of you guys in 
>>New York include yourself in the worldmap, it 
>>will be a breeze for Scott to invite you
>>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands 
>>of osworkers in the USA have included 
>>themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an 
>>average of one per State, a grand start! %1 is 
>>exactly the number of people listed for 
>>Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the stammtisch.
>>(Here is the link for including yourself
>><<http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198>http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198 
>>
>>
>>
>>If you go to the homepage of the map
>><<http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/>http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/>http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>and click on Menu and then search and enter New 
>>York you will see 3 colleagues listed)
>>
>>6. Send out a note to the list after the 
>>stammtisch and report the great stuff that happened there
>>
>>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is 
>>the most localized OSonOS in your 
>>neighborhood...especially when you cant go to 
>>the regional, national or evern worldwide events.
>>
>>Greetings from Berlin
>>mmp
>>
>>
>>
>>Scott Gassman wrote:
>>Laurence,
>>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to  initiate a
>>stammtische.
>>
>>A thought for interested NY OS folks.
>>
>>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?
>>
>>Scott Gassman
>>
>>
>>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg 
>><<mailto:laurenceberg at gmail.com><mailto:laurenceberg at gmail.com>laurenceberg at gmail.com>
>>
>>wrote:
>>
>>Hi Esther,
>>
>>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
>>Canadian mission, too.)  Feel free to get in touch.
>>
>>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others and it
>>didn't get off the ground here.  NY is an odd place.
>>
>>-Laurence
>>
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