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Hi Scott,<br><br>
Thanks so much for taking the lead! I'd certainly like to participate.
I'll be moving to NYC only in the first days of July. However, we're
going appartment hunting from June 7 to June 14. So if that week is good,
I'd make a special effort to come. In which case I would prefer
ThursdayJune 12, as I will hopefully have found the apartment by then,
but I'd try to make it too for any other day during that week. <br><br>
And if that week is not good, then I'll attend your next
Stammtisch!<br><br>
By the way, do you know of
<a href="http://www.doodle.ch/" eudora="autourl">www.doodle.ch</a>? (the
main page is in French, but you can pick from several languages at the
bottom) It's a fabulous and easy tool to organize a meeting. You
can create a survey and people simply go and indicate their
availabilities. <br><br>
Really looking forward to meeting you all OS NY'ers. Have a great
weekend!<br><br>
Esther M.<br><br>
<br>
At 23:00 2008-05-15, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I am willing to take the lead on
hosting a NYC Stammitische.<br>
A couple of folks from other parts of the world have indicated that they
are coming to <br>
NYC and would love to participate.<br>
I don't have a favorite pub or bar in mind and would welcome
recommendations.<br>
We also need to figure out some best days/dates.<br>
The slightly traditional Monday nites won't work for me because I teach
grad school, <br>
change management classes on those nights from June through December.
<br>
Can't change that now.<br><br>
If OS NY'ers will come out of the woodwork, give some feedback, we could
have good chat and a good evening. Share some of your ideas,
availability and feedback and I will organize accordingly.<br><br>
Scott Gassman<br><br>
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Susan Coleman
<<a href="mailto:sc@colemanraider.com">sc@colemanraider.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Hi Laurence and everyone in NY,<br><br>
<dd>I was wondering if a stammitische was edible -- which is always good
by me -- and, in the end, sounds like it sort of is so hope it
self-organizes (I too not quite ready to take the lead, but love the
idea) Susan<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>On May 14, 2008, at 10:02 AM, Laurence Berg wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Hi again New Yorkers (current, soon-to-be, and virtual),<br><br>
<dd>I would be glad to see a stammtische work here. I'm not ready
to take the lead myself at the moment, but that won't be a problem since
it's self-organizing ;) .<br><br>
<dd>Susan (fondly waving back), the stammtische (I no longer know if 'm
spelling it correctly) is a German expression meaning "tribe
table," which might translate as "salon." Basically
it's an evening in a bar or restaurant with a bunch of folks interested
in getting together with OS principles guiding the evening - whatever
people want to talk about gets talked about, in a group or multiple
groups. There's the OS connection, of course.<br><br>
<dd>I don't know how different NY really is from other cities, but I
would amend Michael's helpful points to say that one week isn't enough
advance notice (but a good time for a reminder). And, recognizing
Michael is speaking American as a second language (if I'm not mistaken),
I might also check to see if the owner is a female before following his
suggestions to the letter ;) .<br><br>
<dd>-Laurence<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival. What
the heck is a stammtisch anyway?<br><br>
<dd>Susan<br><br>
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<dd>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Michael,<br><br>
<dd>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch<br>
<dd>and providing what it takes.. <br>
<dd>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and <br>
<dd>snowballing.<br>
<dd>I will think about what you have shared.<br><br>
<dd>Scott<br>
<dd>--<br>
<dd>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
<<a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org">mmpanne@boscop.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Dear Scott,<br>
<dd>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.<br>
<dd>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:<br>
<br>
<dd>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes<br><br>
<dd>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where you
like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try the first
Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If nobody comes, you had
a great time at your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time for
you<br><br>
<dd>3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an event that
has only a starting time<br><br>
<dd>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise him
that you are coming and that there may be some more people, he will like
that<br><br>
<dd>5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting people
to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people passing
through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New Yorkers (if all of
you guys in New York include yourself in the worldmap, it will be a
breeze for Scott to invite you<br>
<dd>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in the
USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an average
of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the number of people
listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the
stammtisch.<br>
<dd>(Here is the link for including yourself<br>
<dl>
<dd><a href="http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198">
http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198</a><br><br>
</dl><br>
<dd>If you go to the homepage of the map<br>
<dl>
<dd><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/">
http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a><br><br>
</dl><br>
<dd>and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see 3
colleagues listed)<br><br>
<dd>6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report the
great stuff that happened there<br><br>
<dd>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most localized
OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant go to the
regional, national or evern worldwide events.<br><br>
<dd>Greetings from Berlin<br>
<dd><font color="#888888">mmp</font><br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>Scott Gassman wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Laurence,<br>
<dd>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to
initiate a<br>
<dd>stammtische.<br><br>
<dd>A thought for interested NY OS folks.<br><br>
<dd>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?<br><br>
<dd>Scott Gassman<br><br>
<br>
<dd>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
<<a href="mailto:laurenceberg@gmail.com">laurenceberg@gmail.com</a>
><br>
<dd>wrote:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>Hi Esther,<br><br>
<dd>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at
the<br>
<dd>Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.<br><br>
<dd>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others
and it<br>
<dd>didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.<br><br>
<dd>-Laurence<br><br>
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<dd>Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the german word for
that table in a restaurant or pub where the regulars sit at for a beer or
something after work or at night. In rural Germany, there is always (or
was when I lived there 15 years ago) a table marked
"stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these regulars. So they
know that when they come, they'll meet other regulars and have a place to
sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right Michael?
<br><br>
<dd>Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS Stammtisch Michael
provided a few months back : <br><br>
<dd>"A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a regular time (like
every Tuesday evening, or once a month or, as is the case with the os
stammtische around the planet, every Monday of every odd month at
7pm)where people interested in a particular aspect of life, as for
instance open space, gather for beer (other drinks are perfectly ok) and
food as everyone wishes and talk with each other about whatever is on top
of your mind regarding open space (in a broader sense). People come and
go as they find useful, some arrive at 7 pm (I usually even earlier to
secure a table and talk to the people in the pub), some as late as 11 pm
and it will usually last until well past midnight. No agenda, lots of
energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin several people came because they needed
work (in os, of course), well, they in fact found others that were
looking for help. So its networking, creating collaboration, new ideas
are born, people bring stuff for each other to look at (pictures, a
couple of books of proceedings from recent open spaces, a bottle of
brandy from Kyiv, there are always a couple of laptops to show
things to each other and to write an email to another stammtisch lets say
in Kyiv or Budapest..).<br>
<dd>Often, there are also visitors from other countries passing through
Berlin that are real open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard of
the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."<br><br>
<dd>Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 pm,have a beer, dinner,
talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00. <br><br>
<dd>Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)<br><br>
<dd>Esther M.<br><br>
<br>
<dd>At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival. What
the heck is a stammtisch anyway?<br>
<br>
<dd>Susan<br><br>
<br>
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</b></font><font color="#000F76"><br>
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<dd> Collaborative Change Strategies <br>
</i></b></font>
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<dd> Tel: (845) 424 8300<br>
<dd> Cellular: (845) 661 0350<br>
<dd> Fax: (845) 424 3853<br>
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<dd>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">
<dd>Michael,<br><br>
<dd>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch<br>
<dd>and providing what it takes.. <br>
<dd>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and <br>
<dd>snowballing.<br>
<dd>I will think about what you have shared.<br><br>
<dd>Scott<br>
<dd>--<br>
<dd>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
<<a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org">mmpanne@boscop.org</a>>
wrote:
<dl>
<dd>Dear Scott,
<dd>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.
<dd>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:<br>
<dd>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes<br>
<dd>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where you
like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try the first
Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If nobody comes, you had
a great time at your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time for
you<br>
<dd>3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an event that
has only a starting time<br>
<dd>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise him
that you are coming and that there may be some more people, he will like
that<br>
<dd>5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting people
to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people passing
through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New Yorkers (if all of
you guys in New York include yourself in the worldmap, it will be a
breeze for Scott to invite you
<dd>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in the
USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an average
of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the number of people
listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the stammtisch.
<dd>(Here is the link for including yourself
<dl>
<dd><a href="http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198">
http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198</a><br>
<br><br>
</dl>
<dd>If you go to the homepage of the map
<dl>
<dd><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/">
http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a><br>
<br><br>
</dl>
<dd>and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see 3
colleagues listed)<br>
<dd>6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report the
great stuff that happened there<br>
<dd>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most localized
OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant go to the
regional, national or evern worldwide events.<br>
<dd>Greetings from Berlin
<dd><font color="#888888">mmp</font><br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>Scott Gassman wrote:
<dl>
<dd>Laurence,
<dd>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to
initiate a
<dd>stammtische.<br>
<dd>A thought for interested NY OS folks.<br>
<dd>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?<br>
<dd>Scott Gassman<br>
<br>
<dd>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
<<a href="mailto:laurenceberg@gmail.com">laurenceberg@gmail.com</a>
>
<dd>wrote:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>Hi Esther,<br>
<dd>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at the
<dd>Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.<br>
<dd>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others
and it
<dd>didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.
<dd>-Laurence<br>
<dd>--
<dd>Conflict Resolution Specialist
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<dd>Right, Esther M., I know you will have a great time at the NY
Stammtisch...its space and time for just about anything to happen, even a
discussion on OS 2.f or the best recipes for dips for fingerfood for Open
Space buffets, classical, 2.f style or whatever<br>
<dd>Greetings from Berlin<br>
<dd>mmp<br><br>
<dd>Communications Esther Matte wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Hi Susan,<br>
<br>
<dd>Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the german word for
that table in a restaurant or pub where the regulars sit at for a beer or
something after work or at night. In rural Germany, there is always (or
was when I lived there 15 years ago) a table marked
"stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these regulars. So they
know that when they come, they'll meet other regulars and have a place to
sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right
Michael?<br><br>
<dd>Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS Stammtisch Michael
provided a few months back :<br><br>
<dd>"A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a regular time (like
every Tuesday evening, or once a month or, as is the case with the os
stammtische around the planet, every Monday of every odd month at
7pm)where people interested in a particular aspect of life, as for
instance open space, gather for beer (other drinks are perfectly ok) and
food as everyone wishes and talk with each other about whatever is on top
of your mind regarding open space (in a broader sense). People come and
go as they find useful, some arrive at 7 pm (I usually even earlier to
secure a table and talk to the people in the pub), some as late as 11 pm
and it will usually last until well past midnight. No agenda, lots of
energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin several people came because they needed
work (in os, of course), well, they in fact found others that were
looking for help. So its networking, creating collaboration, new ideas
are born, people bring stuff for each other to look at (pictures, a
couple of books of proceedings from recent open spaces, a bottle of
brandy from Kyiv, there are always a couple of laptops to show
things to each other and to write an email to another stammtisch lets say
in Kyiv or Budapest..).<br>
<dd>Often, there are also visitors from other countries passing through
Berlin that are real open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard of
the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."<br><br>
<dd>Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 pm,have a beer, dinner,
talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.<br><br>
<dd>Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)<br><br>
<dd>Esther M.<br><br>
<br>
<dd>At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival. What
the heck is a stammtisch anyway?<br><br>
<dd>Susan<br><br>
<br>
<dd>Susan W. Coleman<br><br>
<dd>Coleman Raider International<br>
<dd> --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,<br>
<dd> Collaborative Change Strategies<br><br>
<dd> Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.<br>
<dd> Tel: (845) 424 8300<br>
<dd> Cellular: (845) 661 0350<br>
<dd> Fax: (845) 424 3853<br>
<dd> Email:
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<dd>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>Michael,<br><br>
<dd>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch<br>
<dd>and providing what it takes..<br>
<dd>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and<br>
<dd>snowballing.<br>
<dd>I will think about what you have shared.<br><br>
<dd>Scott<br>
<dd>-- <br>
<dd>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
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mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org</a>><a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org">
mmpanne@boscop.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<dd>Dear Scott,<br>
<dd>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.<br>
<dd>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:<br><br>
<dd>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes<br><br>
<dd>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where you
like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try the first
Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If nobody comes, you had
a great time at your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time for
you<br><br>
<dd>3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an event that
has only a starting time<br><br>
<dd>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise him
that you are coming and that there may be some more people, he will like
that<br><br>
<dd>5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting people
to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people passing
through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New Yorkers (if all of
you guys in New York include yourself in the worldmap, it will be a
breeze for Scott to invite you<br>
<dd>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in the
USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an average
of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the number of people
listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the
stammtisch.<br>
<dd>(Here is the link for including yourself<br>
<dd><<a href="http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198">
http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198</a>
><a href="http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198" eudora="autourl">
http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198</a> <br><br>
<br>
<dd>If you go to the homepage of the map<br>
<dd><<a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/">
http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a>
><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/" eudora="autourl">
http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a><br><br>
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<dd>and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see 3
colleagues listed)<br><br>
<dd>6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report the
great stuff that happened there<br><br>
<dd>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most localized
OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant go to the
regional, national or evern worldwide events.<br><br>
<dd>Greetings from Berlin<br>
<dd>mmp<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>Scott Gassman wrote:<br>
<dd>Laurence,<br>
<dd>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to
initiate a<br>
<dd>stammtische.<br><br>
<dd>A thought for interested NY OS folks.<br><br>
<dd>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?<br><br>
<dd>Scott Gassman<br><br>
<br>
<dd>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
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<dd>Hi Esther,<br><br>
<dd>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at
the<br>
<dd>Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.<br><br>
<dd>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others
and it<br>
<dd>didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.<br><br>
<dd>-Laurence<br><br>
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<dd>Dear fellow spaceholders,<br><br>
<dd>Fresh back from a little over a month in Moscow and St. Petersburg
working<br>
<dd>with OST and related approaches, I'd like to share a little of
my<br>
<dd>impressions and questions. Overall, not sure there is much here to
add to<br>
<dd>the larger Open Space conversation, but I feel it is important to
share<br>
<dd>nonetheless. I'm also sharing here not just on OST but related
approaches in<br>
<dd>part because I think all of this work spoke to creating and
experiencing the<br>
<dd>larger Open Space of life.<br>
<br>
<dd>I arrived in Moscow the evening of April 2nd and the morning of April
4th<br>
<dd>conducted a one day Introduction to Dynamic Facilitation (DF)
workshop for a<br>
<dd>group of corporate trainers at the invitation of a trainer
development club<br>
<dd>called the Mark Kukushkin Open Trainer University
(<a href="http://otumka.ru">otumka.ru</a>) I've only been<br>
<dd>working with DF for six months and most of that experience has been
one on<br>
<dd>one phone work. So, it was definitely a risk to go ahead and offer
this<br>
<dd>workshop to a group of 15.<br><br>
<dd>It helped to frame this workshop as an experiment and also to invite
people<br>
<dd>to set aside all their knowledge about training and learning aside
for the<br>
<dd>purposes of the workshop. Even though- as I expected- DF did not
deliver a<br>
<dd>breakthrough or aha!- 1 Ľ hours is just not enough time in the space
of a<br>
<dd>daylong workshop to experience that- the short time they had to
practice and<br>
<dd>also to reflect on the process. Open Space principles using a Whole
Person<br>
<dd>Process Facilitation container<br>
<dd>(<a href="http://genuinecontact.net/mtg_whole_person.html">
http://genuinecontact.net/mtg_whole_person.html</a>) informed the design
for<br>
<dd>this and all the other workshops conducted during my stay. By the end
of the<br>
<dd>workshop even the most skeptical saw value in the approach and
seemed<br>
<dd>interested in trying it out even (or especially?) as it challenged
most<br>
<dd>directly the whole Change Management paradigm.<br><br>
<dd>Inspired by the example of Thomas Herrmann, I'll be following up with
this<br>
<dd>(and the other groups) 4-6 months from now to evaluate the
effectiveness of<br>
<dd>these workshops.<br><br>
<dd>April 5th was a full day Introduction to OST workshop at the same
trainer<br>
<dd>club, with a few of the same participants, altogether a group of 15.
Olga<br>
<dd>Zolotareva, previously a corporate trainer with Beeline, one of
Russia's Big<br>
<dd>Three cellular providers, co-held the space within the workshop for a
4 hour<br>
<dd>OST meeting "My growth edges as a trainer/coach: issues and
opportunities."<br>
<dd>Among the 10 topics:<br><br>
<dd>"How to win a corporate tender"<br>
<dd>"What benefit is there in corporate learning
programs?"<br>
<dd>"The coach/trainer at the summit: what does she/he think
about?"<br>
<dd>"Different applications of OST"<br>
<dd>"Knowledge management in trainings"<br><br>
<dd>A mini-non-convergence was held – if I'm using the term correctly-
where<br>
<dd>participants were invited to develop action plans, announce a new
topic, or<br>
<dd>further discuss a previously announced topic.<br><br>
<dd>This was perhaps a first time in my experience in really being able
to<br>
<dd>discern what words in explaining how they would be invited to work
would<br>
<dd>best serve the group. And special attention was given to reduce the
Magic<br>
<dd>Charm Effect in part by pausing and having silence in the opening
only so<br>
<dd>much and not to a point that could cause discomfort among the
participants.<br>
<dd>It has really helped to listen over and over to disk one of
"Understanding<br>
<dd>Open Space" and to hear how Harrison subtly invites the shamanic
in the<br>
<dd>opening..<br><br>
<dd>Part of what was emphasized in the context of this OST meeting
was:<br>
<dd>a) an invitation to consider what personal successes they were
embarrassed<br>
<dd>of- a way of considering perhaps that sometimes success is really a
time<br>
<dd>when one held back and didn't take the full risk and did something
well but<br>
<dd>not terribly differently from before; in other words control was not
let go of<br>
<br>
<dd>b) an invitation to consider which personal oops, failures,
catastrophes,<br>
<dd>and fiascoes they have to celebrate as delicious indications of
growth<br>
<dd>opportunities, road signs which scream loudly "take risk
here!"<br><br>
<dd>This seasoning in the opening really seemed to help the group to
get<br>
<dd>straight to work as if they'd taken part in OST many times before
(they hadn't).<br><br>
<dd>The overall design for the OST one day learning workshop
was:<br><br>
<dd>Introductions (a process-facilitated "transfer-in" using
illegally imported<br>
<dd>into Russia natural objects from San Diego, Florida, and Iran.
Participants<br>
<dd>took an object from the center and were invited to ask themselves
what the<br>
<dd>object told them about what brought them to the workshop)<br><br>
<dd>A little about the workshop- with an invitation to set aside
everything they<br>
<dd>know about training, facilitation for the duration of the workshop
to<br>
<dd>maximize their own benefit from the workshop<br><br>
<dd>Hopes and fears- work in groups of four on identifying their own
hopes and<br>
<dd>fears regarding the workshop<br><br>
<dd>A break<br><br>
<dd>Then the 4 hour OST meeting<br><br>
<dd>Another short break<br><br>
<dd>And then five questions were posted around the room – drawing on the
core<br>
<dd>questions, as I understand them, in the Genuine Contact Program's
three-four<br>
<dd>day OST learning workshop -<br><br>
<dd>- what do the participants, sponsor, facilitator feel during an
OST meeting?<br>
<dd>- what is OST?<br>
<dd>- what are key elements of OST's form?<br>
<dd>- what are key elements of OST's essence?<br>
<dd>- what does the facilitator do to prepare the sponsor, facilitate the
OST<br>
<dd>meeting, and to follow up?<br><br>
<dd>And the participants were invited work with these 5
"sessions"<br>
<dd>simultaneously for 30 minutes as if in OS. They were also invited
to<br>
<dd>announce any other sessions, which they did. Time was set aside to
answer<br>
<dd>any questions. And I did a little presentation about when to use/not
use<br>
<dd>OST, working with the sponsor, and the energetics of walking the
circle<br>
<dd>(sorry, Jack!, no meditations on the romantic quality of a Brighton
bicycle<br>
<dd>horn!) with a little bit of practice with the whole group in the
last.<br><br>
<dd>At the end of the workshop, I invited anyone who cared to to step
forward to<br>
<dd>conduct a week later a follow up meeting and a further meeting 4-6
months<br>
<dd>down the line. Doesn't look like it will happen.<br><br>
<dd>It was really refreshing to see how easily people for the most part
took to<br>
<dd>this kind of facilitation and to see how much ground could be covered
in the<br>
<dd>space of a day.<br><br>
<dd>Overall, it was really palpable how in the space of less than a year
and a<br>
<dd>half- since the last time I was in Russia, living there- how time
has<br>
<dd>speeded up even more and space is even more compressed. On the one
hand<br>
<dd>there seems to be less space for grassroot initiatives and social
change –<br>
<dd>what with the continuing building by the Kremlin of the so-called
Power<br>
<dd>Vertical-, and on the other hand the soil, air, water seem even riper
than<br>
<dd>ever for Open Space.<br><br>
<dd>People just took to it like ducks to water, even if at the outset of
the<br>
<dd>workshop there was this energy of people sitting with crossed arms
with a<br>
<dd>look that seemed to say "What does this American have to show
us?!"<br><br>
<dd>The following day Sergei Shchepilov and Anna Bernikova who some met
at the<br>
<dd>Kiev or Moscow WOSonOS held the space for a daylong
stammtische/mentoring<br>
<dd>circle for about ten of us in Moscow. The romantic process-oriented
in me<br>
<dd>was magically charmed by the use of the jaw harp and a Russian
jerry-rigged<br>
<dd>version of the Tibetan temple bells- Sergei took the
"tongue" out of two<br>
<dd>Valdai bells and strung them together. Not sure there were any
specific<br>
<dd>business results from our gathering but it was great fun, OS
storytelling,<br>
<dd>and conversation held in a perfect space: an nonprofit art
gallery<br>
<dd>displaying paintings by children with disabilities.<br><br>
<dd>A little over a week later conducted an 1.5 hour storytelling
workshop at<br>
<dd>Intertraining's annual gathering of trainers and consultants. Just
about<br>
<dd>everyone – a group of 13- was surprised –almost uncomfortably so- how
deep a<br>
<dd>group of people who had never met before can get with a simple
storytelling<br>
<dd>circle. So many layers of meaning, so many questions elicited from
the<br>
<dd>stories told.<br><br>
<dd>And before heading off for St. Petersburg, I conducted another
daylong<br>
<dd>workshop, an Introduction to Dynamic Facilitation with a
nonprofit<br>
<dd>organization that invited me to do an OST strategic planning session
a<br>
<dd>number of years ago and now was regularly using OST for its own
strategic<br>
<dd>planning and programmatic work. Aside from yet another set of aha's!
from<br>
<dd>people participating in the DF workshop it was exciting to hear that
they<br>
<dd>were now interested in exploring becoming a Conscious Open Space<br>
<dd>Organization. Indeed, when they first experienced OST, they exclaimed
"Why,<br>
<dd>we've always been in Open Space!" Looking forward to following
up with them<br>
<dd>on this.<br><br>
<dd>The Coaching Institute
(<a href="http://coachinstitute.ru">coachinstitute.ru</a>) in St.
Petersburg had invited me<br>
<dd>to conduct a three day OST learning workshop (as part of the Genuine
Contact<br>
<dd>Program). Previously, on the list I'd mentioned their bimonthly
initiative<br>
<dd>in partnership with other organizations, the Director's Club<br>
<dd>(<a href="http://directorclub.ru">directorclub.ru</a>), a three hour
OST meeting for CEO's of St.<br>
<dd>Petersburg-based companies. Talking with them before, during, and
after the<br>
<dd>workshop, I really came to appreciate and admire their work
deeply.<br><br>
<dd>The coaching they teach in their two year program is really something
at the<br>
<dd>nexus of coaching, psychotherapy, and facilitative leadership
adapting<br>
<dd>Western approaches to a Russian context. The Law of Two Feet –
"the courage<br>
<dd>to express what you want" in their parlance- carries through
everything they<br>
<dd>do. And I felt privileged to be conducting this learning workshop
with one<br>
<dd>of four organizations I have worked with in Russia that make an
intimate<br>
<dd>connection between Spirit and Practice.<br><br>
<dd>The structure of the workshop was essentially working with the
same<br>
<dd>questions as in the one day workshop, of course in more depth.
Altogether<br>
<dd>there were about 15 participants, including from the North Caucasus
and<br>
<dd>Siberia, about 1/3 were from the Coaching Institute, 2/3 were from
other<br>
<dd>(commercial) organizations or were representing themselves.
Surprisingly,<br>
<dd>some of the workshop participants had never even heard of OST before
and yet<br>
<dd>based on the workshop announcement had elected to come from thousands
of<br>
<dd>miles away!<br>
<br>
<dd>As part of the workshop there was a four hour OST meeting on the
topic of<br>
<dd>"Creating Healthy Organizations: Issues and
Opportunities."<br><br>
<dd>Seven topics were announced, and there was again a non-convergence.
Among<br>
<dd>the topics:<br><br>
<dd>Russian business: Is it healthy? And to what extent?<br>
<dd>The health of the CEO and the health of the organization- what is
the<br>
<dd>connection?<br>
<dd>Using training and psychological workshops to introduce corporate
standards<br>
<dd>into a dealer network<br>
<dd>Ambitious people, Grand goals: How can organizations avoid limiting
them and<br>
<dd>rather use them fully?<br>
<dd>The consultant's role in organizational renewal: what is he/she
truly<br>
<dd>capable of?<br><br>
<dd>Highlights for the participants included the Whole Person Process
design of<br>
<dd>the workshop. Participants remarked on the surprising spaciousness of
the<br>
<dd>learning experience throughout and how the learning process seemed to
be<br>
<dd>markedly different from a typical training.<br><br>
<dd>As a group we did return to and talk about the original invitation
for the<br>
<dd>workshop. Initially, people who'd signed for the workshop had been
invited<br>
<dd>to co-design and co-lead the whole workshop, including the prep work
and<br>
<dd>follow-up work connected with it.<br><br>
<dd>Seeing as this was the first time I'd ever extended such an
invitation for a<br>
<dd>workshop and that the group hadn't apparently had prior experience,
this did<br>
<dd>not happen. What did happen, however, was planting of seeds and my
sharing<br>
<dd>some of my beliefs with the group that anytime we are in a
learning<br>
<dd>situation where there is a set program – even if it can be changed –
the<br>
<dd>open space for wonder and imagination, for giving birth to
practical,<br>
<dd>applicable situational knowledge is rather limited. That the deep
learning<br>
<dd>happens where the formal workshop leaders and participants are
partners in<br>
<dd>developing the workshop and its implementation and follow up. Who
knows,<br>
<dd>maybe next time the group might be able and willing to respond to
this kind<br>
<dd>of invitation?<br><br>
<dd>Speaking of invitation, the personal practice of invitation and
inviting<br>
<dd>leadership (as elaborated by Chris Corrigan and Michael Herman)
really had<br>
<dd>people buzzing. It felt really liberating that they were being
invited<br>
<dd>throughout to engage in whatever was planned, no need to
"manage" the<br>
<dd>participants!<br><br>
<dd>The Coaching Institute people really seem to take a ball and run with
it.<br>
<dd>Very curious as to where they take this further.<br><br>
<dd>The group was invited to join the larger OS and Genuine Contact
community<br>
<dd>and looking forward to seeing them on an OSlist or a WOSonOS near
you!<br><br>
<dd>The following day I had the pleasure of working again with the
Soldiers<br>
<dd>Mothers of St. Petersburg<br>
<dd>
(<a href="http://www.soldiersmothers.ru/pages/english/presentation.htm">
http://www.soldiersmothers.ru/pages/english/presentation.htm</a>) A
number of<br>
<dd>years ago I shared a little about working with them in OST. This time
I<br>
<dd>introduced them to Dynamic Facilitation, working with internal<br>
<dd>organizational issues. One of the aha's from our two days of work
together<br>
<dd>was that in this highly turbulent time the main thing the
organization<br>
<dd>should focus on at a minimum is just to remain open, continue
operating. The<br>
<dd>organization just by its existence plants many seeds and the day will
come<br>
<dd>when the Power Vertical will just shift by itself into the Power
Horizontal.<br>
<br>
<dd>We also continued an earlier conversation on how the organization
might<br>
<dd>potentially co-organize a series of public conversations using OST
with<br>
<dd>"problem" military bases – where a culture of torture and
forced<br>
<dd>prostitution of recruits is especially pronounced- on how they can
work<br>
<dd>together. This is not entirely a science fiction notion, it is
doable.<br>
<dd>Ideas, thoughts on moving this concept forward are welcome!<br><br>
<dd>And lastly in the oops! department – and frankly, I share this to
also<br>
<dd>invite others on the list to share their oops!, however small; I
think we<br>
<dd>learn more from each others' boo-boos more than from our glorious
triumphs,<br>
<dd>inspiring as they may be-: in doing a one day strategic session
toward the<br>
<dd>end of my stay with one organization, with a group of ten, I made a
grave<br>
<dd>error: one of the participants was there with her two year old. I'd
seen the<br>
<dd>child beforehand but it had not occurred to me to give thought to how
the<br>
<dd>child might invite an additional dimension during the opening.
Needless to<br>
<dd>say, during the opening, the child fell quite in love with the temple
bells<br>
<dd>(Magick charms again?) and dragged them across the floor making quite
a<br>
<dd>ruckus. It was a very messy, unclear opening for many of the
participants.<br>
<dd>And on top of that, many said they did not feel like I'd held the
space.<br>
<dd>They'd wished that I'd been in full view even if I was not party to
the<br>
<dd>conversations. And yet, my experience was that I was breathing with
them the<br>
<dd>whole time, sitting in the closest room, thinking of the group, and
making<br>
<dd>sure that I would not be too close to hear their conversations!
Indeed, the<br>
<dd>sponsor said he felt cheated. It was important to the group after
the<br>
<dd>closing just for me to hear them out, and for me to honestly
acknowledge<br>
<dd>where I felt I'd come up short…and where I hadn't. And to honestly
and<br>
<dd>openly express my sadness about how things had not worked out as
wished for.<br><br>
<dd>I don't think that's the whole story, because others expressed
privately<br>
<dd>that this was a very productive meeting, with a chance to really get
real in<br>
<dd>a way that does not usually happen in their business meetings.
Another<br>
<dd>remarked that the meeting took their organization to a
qualitatively<br>
<dd>different level. Still much to chew on here!<br><br>
<dd>At the Moscow WOSonOS in 2006 Birgitt (Williams) shared how she was –
in her<br>
<dd>words- probably a slow learner as she found something new in OST and
OS<br>
<dd>every time she invited Harrison for a learning workshop in Canada for
seven<br>
<dd>years in a row. Indeed, my key learning from that WOSonOS is that I
know<br>
<dd>(next to?) nothing about OS/OST.<br><br>
<dd>I continue to make these huge, basic mistakes. If OS and OST has
taught me<br>
<dd>anything, however, it has helped me to be more forgiving of myself
and others.<br><br>
<dd>One of the personally satisfying things to hear in the OST learning
workshop<br>
<dd>was a sense from the participants that the workshop leader really
seemed to<br>
<dd>live the principles of the approach. As I continue to wonder if I
have a<br>
<dd>personal practice of OS and what it looks like, it's heartening to
hear such<br>
<dd>feedback for the first time!<br><br>
<dd>Thank you for reading and letting me share this story. And continuing
to<br>
<dd>marvel and enjoy being part of the OS/GC communities.<br>
<br>
<dd>In appreciative granularity,<br>
<dd>raffi<br><br>
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<dd>Dear Jack and all,<br><br>
<dd>Putting the Discordian funny bone aside, it's great to have a
conversation<br>
<dd>about an updated version of OS, dogmatism, and the like.<br><br>
<dd>An Open Space Establishment is probably not an oxymoron for one good
reason:<br>
<dd>in any community - even in an ostensibly highly inclusive one- there
is a<br>
<dd>mainstream and a margin. Who is in the mainstream and in the margin
is<br>
<dd>another question and what purpose it would serve to even identify the
two is<br>
<dd>not clear.<br><br>
<dd>The list from your micro-site of OS 1.0 "nevers" and
"always" is a fair one,<br>
<dd>*and* just about all of those pieces of dogma have long been
challenged here.<br><br>
<dd>Yes, OST is a very forgiving and adaptable approach *and* I wonder
what is<br>
<dd>lost energetically when more and more of those elements of form are
tossed.<br><br>
<dd>I don't necessarily feel comfortable using tibetan temple bells, but
I have<br>
<dd>yet to come across something that produces a sound that invites a
similar<br>
<dd>level of presence. Yes, you don't *need* to do something to invite
presence<br>
<dd>in the beginning, *and* the quality of space created when presence
is<br>
<dd>invited is definitely different (preferable?).<br><br>
<dd>Perhaps part of the question is how to minimize an experience of
the<br>
<dd>culturally dissonant mystical and yet invite presence?<br><br>
<dd>If there were an OS 2.0 - and I'm curious what you might come up
with-<br>
<dd>perhaps it would have less to do with the Internet, web-based
social<br>
<dd>networking and possibly more to do with answering the
question(s):<br><br>
<dd>How do we create permanent physical spaces that matter? How do we
create<br>
<dd>third places that matter? How do we create permanent community spaces
for<br>
<dd>people to talk about what is really important?<br><br>
<dd>The Internet, Web 2.0 are great and I think they aid us in bringing
more of<br>
<dd>the head into the complex inter-human collaborative equation, not
sure how<br>
<dd>well our bodies, hearts, and Spirits are enabled or engaged with
this<br>
<dd>technology...<br><br>
<dd>And perhaps those questions about creating physical space just might
make it<br>
<dd>to a Village Marketplace at a WOSonOS near you...<br><br>
<dd>appreciatively,<br>
<dd>raffi<br><br>
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<dd>Hey New Yorkers...<br><br>
<dd>I'll be in New York in the next couple of weeks as well, and although
I'm not making any promises about getting together, there is a little
group of folks I know and have been working with who might be interested
in an NYC Stammtisch. <br><br>
<dd>So let's keep in touch!<br><br>
<dd>Chris<br><br>
<dd>On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
<<a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org">mmpanne@boscop.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Right, Esther M., I know you will have a great time at the NY
Stammtisch...its space and time for just about anything to happen, even a
discussion on OS 2.f or the best recipes for dips for fingerfood for Open
Space buffets, classical, 2.f style or whatever<br>
<dd>Greetings from Berlin<br>
<dd>mmp<br><br>
<dd>Communications Esther Matte wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Hi Susan,<br><br>
<dd>Thanks for the welcome. "Stammtisch" is the german word for
that table in a restaurant or pub where the regulars sit at for a beer or
something after work or at night. In rural Germany, there is always (or
was when I lived there 15 years ago) a table marked
"stammtisch", pretty much reserved for these regulars. So they
know that when they come, they'll meet other regulars and have a place to
sit and talk. And as in OS, whoever comes... whenever.. Right
Michael?<br><br>
<dd>Here's a copy/paste of an explanation of OS Stammtisch Michael
provided a few months back :<br><br>
<dd>"A stammtisch is a regular gathering at a regular time (like
every Tuesday evening, or once a month or, as is the case with the os
stammtische around the planet, every Monday of every odd month at
7pm)where people interested in a particular aspect of life, as for
instance open space, gather for beer (other drinks are perfectly ok) and
food as everyone wishes and talk with each other about whatever is on top
of your mind regarding open space (in a broader sense). People come and
go as they find useful, some arrive at 7 pm (I usually even earlier to
secure a table and talk to the people in the pub), some as late as 11 pm
and it will usually last until well past midnight. No agenda, lots of
energy. Last stammtisch in Berlin several people came because they needed
work (in os, of course), well, they in fact found others that were
looking for help. So its networking, creating collaboration, new ideas
are born, people bring stuff for each other to look at (pictures, a
couple of books of proceedings from recent open spaces, a bottle of
brandy from Kyiv, there are always a couple of laptops to show
things to each other and to write an email to another stammtisch lets say
in Kyiv or Budapest..).<br>
<dd>Often, there are also visitors from other countries passing through
Berlin that are real open space stammtisch addicts, they have heard of
the Berlin one and join. So its international, too."<br><br>
<dd>Here in Montreal, we usually gather around 6 pm,have a beer, dinner,
talk, and people leave around 8:30 or 9:00.<br><br>
<dd>Maybe we will meet at a future NY stammtisch :-)<br><br>
<dd>Esther M.<br><br>
<br>
<dd>At 12:16 2008-05-13, you wrote:<br>
<dl>
<dd>Hello NYC OSers, many of whom I know and waive to fondly, and
greetings to you too Esther. We look forward to your arrival. What
the heck is a stammtisch anyway?<br><br>
<dd>Susan<br><br>
<br>
<dd>Susan W. Coleman<br><br>
<dd>Coleman Raider International<br>
<dd> --Negotiation & Conflict Resolution, Coaching,<br>
<dd> Collaborative Change Strategies<br><br>
<dd> Susan W. Coleman, J.D., M.P.A.<br>
<dd> Tel: (845) 424 8300<br>
<dd> Cellular: (845) 661 0350<br>
<dd> Fax: (845) 424 3853<br>
<dd> Email:
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<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>On May 13, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Scott Gassman wrote:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>Michael,<br><br>
<dd>Thank you for feeding the idea of a NYC stammtisch<br>
<dd>and providing what it takes..<br>
<dd>The idea appears to be taking on a life of it's own and<br>
<dd>snowballing.<br>
<dd>I will think about what you have shared.<br><br>
<dd>Scott<br>
<dd>-- <br>
<dd>On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Michael M Pannwitz
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mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org</a>><a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.org">
mmpanne@boscop.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<dd>Dear Scott,<br>
<dd>I love the os stammtisch in Berlin and everywhere.<br>
<dd>Here some pointers from a stammtisch-pro:<br><br>
<dd>1. The stammtisch is first of all, for you yourself, yes<br><br>
<dd>2. So, pick your favorite place (restaurant, Bar, whatever) where you
like the food and drinks and invite everyone (you might try the first
Monday evening of every odd month)and go there. If nobody comes, you had
a great time at your favorite haunt and some unobstructed time for
you<br><br>
<dd>3. But, alas, people will show up because they like the idea of
meeting you, talking (maybe) about open space and coming to an event that
has only a starting time<br><br>
<dd>4. Talk to the owner (of course, you know him well) and advise him
that you are coming and that there may be some more people, he will like
that<br><br>
<dd>5. Send an email about a week before the stammtisch inviting people
to join ... this mail should go to the list so that people passing
through NY will drop in and, it should go to all New Yorkers (if all of
you guys in New York include yourself in the worldmap, it will be a
breeze for Scott to invite you<br>
<dd>(By the way, at this point, 51 of the thousands of osworkers in the
USA have included themselves in the worldmap, that makes for an average
of one per State, a grand start! %1 is exactly the number of people
listed for Berlin...about 20 to 40 % of them show up at the
stammtisch.<br>
<dd>(Here is the link for including yourself<br>
<dd><<a href="http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198">
http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198</a>
><a href="http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198" eudora="autourl">
http://www.michaelmpannwitz.de/index.php?id=198</a> <br><br>
<br>
<dd>If you go to the homepage of the map<br>
<dd><<a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/">
http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a>
><a href="http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/" eudora="autourl">
http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/</a><br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>and click on Menu and then search and enter New York you will see 3
colleagues listed)<br><br>
<dd>6. Send out a note to the list after the stammtisch and report the
great stuff that happened there<br><br>
<dd>Have a grand time with your stammtisch which is the most localized
OSonOS in your neighborhood...especially when you cant go to the
regional, national or evern worldwide events.<br><br>
<dd>Greetings from Berlin<br>
<dd>mmp<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>Scott Gassman wrote:<br>
<dd>Laurence,<br>
<dd>Possibly with Esther's NY arrival, we could try again to
initiate a<br>
<dd>stammtische.<br><br>
<dd>A thought for interested NY OS folks.<br><br>
<dd>Who else would be interested here in the NY area?<br><br>
<dd>Scott Gassman<br><br>
<br>
<dd>On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Laurence Berg
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<dd>wrote:<br><br>
<dd>Hi Esther,<br><br>
<dd>I'm one of the NYers who's in the OS world. (I know someone at
the<br>
<dd>Canadian mission, too.) Feel free to get in touch.<br><br>
<dd>By the way, I once tried to initiate a stammtische with some others
and it<br>
<dd>didn't get off the ground here. NY is an odd place.<br><br>
<dd>-Laurence<br><br>
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