Going underground as facilitator - Follow-up

douglas germann 76066.515 at compuserve.com
Thu Jul 17 18:22:55 PDT 2008


Marc--

That is a wonderful metaphor. I intend to use it...often!

			:- Doug.


On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 01:27 +0200, Marc Steinlin (I-P-K) wrote:
> Earlier on I had taken from this list that your (and my!) favourite
> question to an OS facilitator is: "What do we actually pay you for?" -
> I find it hilarious and I always share it with people when talking
> about OS, it's always a scream!
> 
> 
> Usually I then refer to my memories living in West Africa. We mostly
> had a night watchman in our garden (in many ways the reason was also
> to give another person a job). They were always there, sitting under a
> tree, brewing tea and they were great to have a chat with - they knew
> everything that happened in the neighbourhood!
> But they never actually did something. And that was the point: you
> have a night watchmen BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO
> and you have the great desire that they never ever will need to do
> anything - that was precisely the reason why you have (and paid!)
> them! They are "holding the night" - and your space to sleep free from
> worries. And you assume that their mere presence creates this safe
> space.
> 
> 
> That's always how I understood - and explained - my role and the space
> that I hold as a facilitator. People (who have experienced African
> night watchmen) always understood...
> 
> 
> Thanks again!
> -marc
> 
> 
> 
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> ‘Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever
> has.’ Margaret Mead
> 
> On 17 Jul 2008, at 00:35 , Pat Black wrote:
> 
> > I have spent the last couple of days thinking about your question
> > "What does it mean to hold space?" and can the group hold it and any
> > group?  My thoughts on what I do when I hold the space is to just be
> > present with what ever goes on.  I don't judge or manage it in any
> > way.  I am a witness to it and that is what holding space is for me.
> > I listen and I see, I feel it and experience it.  But I don't judge
> > it and I receive whatever is happening with the same comfort and
> > acceptance.   I totally trust Open Space and the power it has to
> > incubate vision so I am also the poster child for that.  When things
> > get rugged and they do at times in most groups that have come to
> > wrestle with conflict and passionate opinions I am often asked to
> > manage the conflict in some way.   I stand as the one person in the
> > gathering of people who always has their eye on Open Space and my
> > trust in it never waivers.  I am the person that can be relied on to
> > say this process called Open Space will provide whatever is needed
> > for the issue to get sorted out and at the depth the group has the
> > capacity for at that moment.  I have experienced as the facilitator
> > and as a participant at Open Space events that the facilitator in
> > gives permission for people to stay engaged in whatever has got them
> > rattled if they feel passionate about it even when they feel scared
> > or threatened in some way.  I do feel that people often are able to
> > get on the other side of an issue when they stick with it through
> > the wretched hard place.  So to answer the question about is the
> > facilitator necessary with any or all groups I would say no.  The
> > facilitator is not required with any group ever but I believe that
> > there should be one present at every event.  I just believe that
> > sometimes when you are in the thick of it with a group and feel so
> > passionate about an issue that it feels like breathe and the
> > engagement with others feels like they are stealing your breathe
> > that it is helpful to have someone there that is never inside that
> > soup.  Someone who by their presence reminds us that the soup we
> > find ourselves in is just one soup and not the entire universe.
> >  Someone who by their presence reminds us that if we travel a little
> > further we will find ourselves in a new space that is not just more
> > comfortable but better, more open.  That can happen with or without
> > a facilitator but when it is hot sometimes we disengage before we
> > get there if there isn't a facilitator.
> > Thanks for the thoughtful questions.
> > Pat Black
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Marc Steinlin (I-P-K)
> > <marc.steinlin at i-p-k.ch> wrote:
> >         Dear all,
> >         
> >         
> >         I had asked you for your feedback and input almost 2 months
> >         ago on "going underground" as a facilitator and I have
> >         received much valuable input from many among you.
> >         
> >         
> >         In the meantime, the event took place and it was great. We
> >         were about 90 persons from the KM4Dev (Knowledge Management
> >         for Development) community gathered for our annual meeting
> >         in Lisbon. After having experimented with OS last year
> >         already, we this time decided to run the whole meeting over
> >         2 days entirely in OS. We had a lot of enthusiasm and
> >         committed people, interesting discussions, countless
> >         sessions. Reporting was done online on a wiki
> >         (http://www.km4dev.org/wiki/index.php/Open_Space_Discussion_Reports) - so we didn't have to provide computers in the back of the room; most of the participants had their notebooks with them and we just announced the wiki URL - this worked excellent.
> >         
> >         
> >         What also worked great was: having no facilitator to hold
> >         space. I opened the OS but during the nomination of topics
> >         declared that I would now convert into a normal participant;
> >         I quickly returned to the facilitator role for just one
> >         sentence to open the market place and they we took off.
> >         Evening news were done by other people - a group, one doing
> >         a closing circle, some doing some announcements, and a
> >         professional theatre artist did some funny performance games
> >         with the entire group.
> >         I reopened the OS next morning to recollect some more
> >         topics, but from there onwards, I again dived back into the
> >         crowd and entirely forgot about the process. The second
> >         evening was pretty much "participatory managed" like the
> >         first. It just worked great!
> >         
> >         
> >         This leaves me with the questions:
> >         What means "holding space"? What is the function, if
> >         demonstrably one can do without?
> >         Or is it really that the group as a whole can hold space
> >         (which seemed to be the case)? Any group?
> >         Why do we really need any facilitator throughout the event?
> >         And consequently under which conditions can we dispense with
> >         it?
> >         What is the risk? Can this go totally wrong?
> >         
> >         
> >         Again many thanks to those who contributed to the previous
> >         discussion!
> >         Best regards,
> >         -marc
> >         
> >         
> >         
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> >         'Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed
> >         citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing
> >         that ever has.' Margaret Mead
> >         
> >         On 25 May 2008, at 14:46 , Marc Steinlin (I-P-K) wrote:
> >         
> >         > Dear all, many thanks for your feedback! I will take up
> >         > your ideas and inputs with my colleagues.
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > I can take some ideas with me: initially I was more
> >         > thinking of having each of us facilitating a part of the
> >         > OS - "serial" facilitation. But on the basis of your
> >         > comments, I feel like maybe rather going for "parallel"
> >         > facilitation. I don't know exactly what that means, but
> >         > have a feeling emerging in my guts - I'm positive we will
> >         > know how to do it.
> >         > Thanks for the words of caution, in particular to you
> >         > Michael. I have made similar experiences in other contexts
> >         > with regard to confused roles, projections and so on and
> >         > if we are aware of this possibility, I'm sure we - well,
> >         > as you say maybe not avoid it, but will be able to deal
> >         > with it when it's there. But I'm not really afraid of
> >         > this, I have a lot of confidence in my friends' and my own
> >         > experience.
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > What makes things easier is that nobody would consider me
> >         > as their leader. I will - together with others -
> >         > facilitate the event, and for some it will be their first
> >         > full-fledged OS experience, but nobody would think I might
> >         > be something like their "leader" beyond facilitating this
> >         > day. The nice thing about this group of people is, that it
> >         > is very open and open-minded community - in fact I feel
> >         > that the open space philosophy is very close to the
> >         > thinking of this group.
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > I also like very much the idea of adopting OS as a system
> >         > of continuous operation, which has come through some of
> >         > your responses. I am currently thinking about how to run
> >         > my own little organisation in a micro-macro-OS way: micro
> >         > because at this stage we are just 3 of us, macro because I
> >         > would like to start somehow getting into the OS way and
> >         > opening space, but not really closing it anymore - eg.
> >         > having a constantly evolving market place of topics that
> >         > we are conversing about, and to somehow apply the
> >         > principles as our normal mode of operation. Don't know
> >         > whether this (will) make any sense...
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > -marc
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > 
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> >         > 'Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed
> >         > citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only
> >         > thing that ever has.' Margaret Mead
> >         > 
> >         > On 21 May 2008, at 17:31 , Ted Ernst wrote:
> >         > 
> >         > > I echo the voices saying that this is not only possible,
> >         > > it can be a
> >         > > good thing for the organization.  I've tried this alone
> >         > > and also with
> >         > > a partner.  I felt much better with  a partner.  With
> >         > > four of you, I
> >         > > would think you could all 4 be involved in breakouts
> >         > > without any
> >         > > trouble losing the space-holding that you're all doing.
> >         > >  Can't wait to
> >         > > hear how it goes!
> >         > > peace,
> >         > > ted
> >         > > 
> >         > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Michael Herman
> >         > > <michael at michaelherman.com> wrote:
> >         > > > i'm encouraged by and encouraging of this, mark.
> >         > > >  thanks for sharing the
> >         > > > question.
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > this, to me, is the next step of the "facilitator"
> >         > > > learning to disappear.
> >         > > > it seems to me that we'll ultimately have more and
> >         > > > more open space
> >         > > > if/when/as people/leaders learn to do this from
> >         > > > within, not abandoning their
> >         > > > position as leader, but refining a pulsation between
> >         > > > directing or actively
> >         > > > guiding, on the one hand, and inviting and hosting on
> >         > > > the other.
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > i think your sense of several being able to share the
> >         > > > role, or support each
> >         > > > other in it, is helpful as well.  but i would
> >         > > > encourage a faster pulsation
> >         > > > than daily.  consider a second law:  the law of two
> >         > > > roles.  or maybe the law
> >         > > > of two minds.  one mind inviting, hosting, holding and
> >         > > > the other mind still
> >         > > > nominally in charge, at the top, as director.
> >         > > >  somatically, this can be
> >         > > > understood as pelvis (literally holding a space for
> >         > > > everything stacked on
> >         > > > top) and brain (seeing, visioning, choosing and
> >         > > > directing).  the whole thing
> >         > > > mediated by heart in the middle.  so you can find your
> >         > > > way between the two
> >         > > > roles you've identified by following heart, same as
> >         > > > navigating learning and
> >         > > > contributing as participant using law of two feet.  so
> >         > > > the practice is to
> >         > > > refine your pulsation between the two, until they look
> >         > > > and feel like the
> >         > > > same "being".
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > two cautions, or mileposts really, on the way...
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > first, while you're pulsing back and forth, i find
> >         > > > it's easy to get lost.
> >         > > > yes, sometimes that means getting caught up in
> >         > > > conversation, letting
> >         > > > attention focus locally and forgetting about the
> >         > > > larger space, maybe
> >         > > > forgetting to ring the bells for evening news, for
> >         > > > instance.  it's helpful
> >         > > > to have partners to remind you, or to ring them for
> >         > > > you.  in the same way,
> >         > > > it is also possible to accidentally not be fully
> >         > > > present in a breakout
> >         > > > session, to be not fully local, and in that state, be
> >         > > > offering views of the
> >         > > > world that nobody else sees or can understand, cuz
> >         > > > they don't have this
> >         > > > larger view of space.  the caution isn't about not
> >         > > > sharing, but about
> >         > > > recognizing that it's possible to do, possible to try
> >         > > > to be in a breakout
> >         > > > session but bringing experiences that are totally
> >         > > > foreign to those who are
> >         > > > apparently your colleagues and partners in the group.
> >         > > >  this not an
> >         > > > unfamiliar situation for leaders who regularly have
> >         > > > more information, a
> >         > > > wider view, that those in the "trenches" in an
> >         > > > organizaiton.
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > the second caution or noting here is less obvious, or
> >         > > > peculiar to straddling
> >         > > > the facilitation/participation divide in open space.
> >         > > >  i don't think fr.
> >         > > > brian will mind if i tell a story about osonos in oz
> >         > > > to illustrate.  he was
> >         > > > facilitator and host, but also a member of the
> >         > > > community.  he ran a great
> >         > > > event, facilitated the whole thing "by the book".
> >         > > >  there was somebody there,
> >         > > > however, who had not had firsthand experience with our
> >         > > > approach.  she also
> >         > > > knew that brian was a priest.  when she had a
> >         > > > difficult time with how things
> >         > > > were going in open space, and discomforts do naturally
> >         > > > arise for
> >         > > > participants at various and random moments, her
> >         > > > experience with "priest"
> >         > > > allowed her to dump responsibility for difficulties on
> >         > > > "how the facilitator
> >         > > > is", what he's doing, how he's run things, etc.  all
> >         > > > of that story she was
> >         > > > making was nonesense and after a long talk, she
> >         > > > understood that her
> >         > > > difficulty came from what he wasn't and didn't do.  it
> >         > > > was the openess of
> >         > > > the space, the press of responsibility and reality
> >         > > > that was making her
> >         > > > squirm.  so it was the combination of *her* newness in
> >         > > > open space and her
> >         > > > (in this case rather thin) connection to brian that
> >         > > > allowed her to make up a
> >         > > > story that was getting in her way.  so if you have
> >         > > > colleagues new to this
> >         > > > experience and you are still known as some sort of
> >         > > > 'leader' or just some
> >         > > > sort of guy to these folks, they might be confused by
> >         > > > what is open space,
> >         > > > what is you, what is you as leader and what you as
> >         > > > facilitator, and so on.
> >         > > > in the end, this is just a noticing that such
> >         > > > confusion is possible.  there
> >         > > > is nothing to "do" about it, other than know it's
> >         > > > there and possible.  if
> >         > > > you notice it along the way in your meeting, and maybe
> >         > > > it'll be there or
> >         > > > maybe it won't, then all the clarity you will bring to
> >         > > > the process from the
> >         > > > very beginning, is all you will or can or should bring
> >         > > > to that moment.  just
> >         > > > be as clean in both roles as you can, and as clear
> >         > > > about what is you and
> >         > > > what is reality of org/world, and it's all still open
> >         > > > space, or not.
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > good luck!  i hope you'll find this is a great and fun
> >         > > > practice, and come
> >         > > > back and tell some of the internal story of how it
> >         > > > goes for you...
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > m
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > 
> >         > > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Jack Martin Leith
> >         > > > <jack at jackmartinleith.com> wrote:
> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Harrison, those are some of the wisest words I've
> >         > > > > ever read. Thank you!
> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > Jack
> >         > > > > 
> >         > > > > 2008/5/21 Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>:
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Marc – I have done what you are proposing
> >         > > > > > (actively participate in a
> >         > > > > > gathering I facilitate) on multiple occasions and
> >         > > > > > have never encountered any
> >         > > > > > problems, and I rather think you will have a
> >         > > > > > similar experience. I would
> >         > > > > > never suggest that you try such a thing if it were
> >         > > > > > your first experience
> >         > > > > > facilitating an Open Space, but that is obviously
> >         > > > > > not the case.
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > The art of Holding Space is of course critical and
> >         > > > > > because it is so
> >         > > > > > different from what most people have come to
> >         > > > > > understand "facilitation" to
> >         > > > > > mean – it is just too easy for the first time
> >         > > > > > facilitator to get sucked into
> >         > > > > > the action and forget to mind the store. But with
> >         > > > > > experience, at least in my
> >         > > > > > experience, you can keep that old intuitive sense
> >         > > > > > alive and functioning even
> >         > > > > > when actively engaged in a conversation of
> >         > > > > > passionate concern to you. As I
> >         > > > > > think about it, this is probably where we all hope
> >         > > > > > to end up anyhow. At some
> >         > > > > > level every conversation is an Open Space, and the
> >         > > > > > more open the space, the
> >         > > > > > better the conversation. And a really great
> >         > > > > > conversation has a powerful
> >         > > > > > (passionate) focus while still being open to
> >         > > > > > everything else that is going
> >         > > > > > on in the environment.
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Approaching the same thoughts from a slightly
> >         > > > > > different point of view, I
> >         > > > > > find that when a group really begins to
> >         > > > > > groove/cook/work – space holding is
> >         > > > > > a community activity. In fact, enabling a group to
> >         > > > > > reach a point where it
> >         > > > > > will effectively "hold its own space," might well
> >         > > > > > be the Holy Grail of OST.
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > So anyhow, I would think that rather than a
> >         > > > > > problem, you have a real
> >         > > > > > opportunity to enhance your own capacity as
> >         > > > > > facilitator by moving into that
> >         > > > > > marvelously "zeny" place where you are
> >         > > > > > simultaneously attached and
> >         > > > > > non-attached – passionately concerned about an
> >         > > > > > issue and always free to move
> >         > > > > > beyond. And if you want to share this opportunity
> >         > > > > > with your colleagues
> >         > > > > > (different people opening space every day) that
> >         > > > > > would work for me, or at
> >         > > > > > least it always has.
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Have fun!
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Harrison
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
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> >         > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >         > > > > > From: OSLIST
> >         > > > > > [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf
> >         > > > > > Of Marc
> >         > > > > > Steinlin (I-P-K)
> >         > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:18 AM
> >         > > > > > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >         > > > > > Subject: Going underground as facilitator
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Dear OS list members,
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > I have been following this list for almost two
> >         > > > > > years now and have enjoyed
> >         > > > > > many of your conversations, learnings, ideas and
> >         > > > > > inspirational thoughts!
> >         > > > > > Many thanks for all that valuable insight and
> >         > > > > > encouragement!
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > I myself over the last 2 years have organised/
> >         > > > > > facilitated approx. 20 OS
> >         > > > > > all over the world (from Switzerland to South
> >         > > > > > Africa, from Indonesia to
> >         > > > > > Ethiopia), some as large as 70 participants
> >         > > > > > (unfortunately I never had the
> >         > > > > > opportunity for a larger group - would love to try
> >         > > > > > that!), some as small as
> >         > > > > > 5 persons - and I (as well as the participants!)
> >         > > > > > enjoy it greatly each time!
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > We, the KM4Dev (a global community of practice on
> >         > > > > > Knowledge Management
> >         > > > > > for Development; http://www.km4dev.org) have
> >         > > > > > decided to run this year's
> >         > > > > > annual meeting over 2.5 days entirely as an OS. We
> >         > > > > > are about four persons
> >         > > > > > who have already facilitated OS and are preparing
> >         > > > > > the facilitation of the
> >         > > > > > event.
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > However, all of the four of us are also greatly
> >         > > > > > interested in the topics
> >         > > > > > which will be discussed, it's certain that we also
> >         > > > > > want to propose topics
> >         > > > > > for groups to work on. Therefore my question:
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Is it possible, that a facilitator opens the Open
> >         > > > > > Space, but once the
> >         > > > > > market place starts, she/ he will transform into a
> >         > > > > > regular participant and
> >         > > > > > mingle with the rest? I always attached great
> >         > > > > > importance to "holding space"
> >         > > > > > - I have never been doing anything actively, I
> >         > > > > > have done my best to get out
> >         > > > > > of the way, however I have been there, almost
> >         > > > > > invisible, but still...
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Do you have any experience or advice on whether
> >         > > > > > the facilitator can give
> >         > > > > > up her/ his role and become a normal participant
> >         > > > > > until to the closing
> >         > > > > > circle?
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Alternatively, do you have any thoughts about
> >         > > > > > rotating faciliators:
> >         > > > > > person A doing it on the first day, B on the
> >         > > > > > second day, so that we all have
> >         > > > > > the opportunity to participate in the discussions
> >         > > > > > with our own topics? I
> >         > > > > > guess none of us would want to limit her/ himself
> >         > > > > > for the full duration to
> >         > > > > > just holding space...
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > Your experience is much appreciated!
> >         > > > > > 
> >         > > > > > -marc
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