AW: Nutrient beginning

Fri Feb 15 17:45:37 PST 2008

Hi!
I am new to the list, and thought I would pipe up to say how  
enriching I am finding these notes to be - from love to mycelium -  
seemingly disparate yet ultimately greatly interconnected ideas,  
examples, and nutrients for thought and action in the world. :0)

Marei - your definition of love made me smile!  I have been sitting  
with the experience/contemplating the notion of love a great deal  
recently, and I am so tempted to get swept up in the immensity and  
complexity of it, that it was wonderful to read a definition that  
celebrates the simplicity of love, that is easy to relate and refer  
back to, and of course, remember!

Thanks for this sharing,
Christie
On 15-Feb-08, at 1:19 PM, Marei Kiele wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I want to pick up on the "love" subject.
>
> Resonating with Maturana, offered in simple words is a definition of
> love I believe to have found in the book "The Urban Shaman" ~ the
> definition originating from Hawaii:
>
> "Love is to be happy with."
>
> To me it seems to express both, the scientific perspective shared  
> by Pat
> and the basis of Open Space Technology. And it's easy to remember :)
>
> Happily,
> Marei
>
>
>
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> [mailto:owner-oslist at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Pat Black
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 16:42
> An: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Betreff: Re: Nutrient beginning
>
> Seems like goodness is a human cognitive notion and the universe is
> more inclusive than that.  Seems like the most fundamental quality of
> the universe and self organizing is relationship. I speculate that
> even in the oneness there can be relationship.  I can't really
> describe that at this moment but seems possible.  In the relationship
> model all possible self organizing can occur even the ones we wouldn't
> categorize as good.
>
> The notion of the beginning being love fits well with Huberto
> Maturana's science/philosophy.  He says love is inherent to biological
> entities and is inherent to the intelligence of life.  I suspect that
> it is fundamental to self organizing or formation of all
> relationships.  Maturana defines love as a class of behaviors through
> which another entity or being becomes legitimate to self and in which
> relations can occur.  Through this coupling or relationship the
> maintenance and well-being of the other is fostered as its own
> identity, and maintained as if for the self.  In other words we no
> longer focus and promote the agenda that maintains our own well being
> but put forth the agendas of our self and the self of the other with
> equal force and intention and legitimacy.   Maturana states that it is
> this phenomena of love that leads to complex emergence and organizing.
>  He is a biologist so that is as far as he takes it but I believe that
> all organization arises from a base or seed unit.  If you follow it
> back to the beginning there has to be a seed fractal that the more
> complex manifestation is based on.  So if it is love in biology it
> must be love all the way back.
>
> So within this definition open space works because it allows for love
> as defined as "behaviors through which others arise as a legitimate
> other in coexistence with oneself" to emerge.  It is in this way the
> essence of love in its most basic form
>
> Interview with Maturana:  "Love is the domain of behaviours through
> which another arises as a legitimate other in coexistence with
> oneself. Love is an emotion constituting a certain space in which
> relations occur - no more, no less."
>
> Pat black
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Ralph Copleman  
> <rcopleman at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> We seem to be saying the original idea of the universe is essentially
>>  about goodness, that the emergence of the universe is not a neutral
>>  proposition. It's goodness is intentional.  And inherent.  This may
>>  explain why open space does not seem to be neutral, that it brings
> out
>>  the best from so many people.
>>
>>  Yes?
>>
>>  Ralph Copleman
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they are
working as a team to help those of you who may need an invitation letter =
for
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in some countries just getting an appointment can take a few =
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delaying registration until you know that you can come – please do =
ask us for a letter of =
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application.
  We are happy to create these letters for you to give to your =
embassies
until about June 15 – after which it may be too short a time-frame =
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fabulous colleagues on the WOSonOS 2008 Host Team, Ms. Nettie =
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style=3D'font-size:
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MS"><span
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paragraph
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come, and
how you will use the experience you gain at this =
conference</span></font></p>

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2008 Host Team</span></font></p>

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>From  Sat Feb 16 18:42:42 2008
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Michael--

On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 13:23 -0600, Michael Herman wrote:
> i read this introduction to an article about mushrooms and other fungi
> today, and of you all, us all, and what we do.  any of this sound
> anything like your experience in open space?  

Yup--especially the phrase about â€œgrand disassemblers of natureâ€--I have
long been calling what we do "Community Disorganizing!"

			:- Doug. Germann

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