barcamp - the open space analog? has anybody heard about this?
Michael M Pannwitz
mmpanne at boscop.org
Thu Oct 18 17:25:11 PDT 2007
Dear Yana,
sweet dreams to Ukraine!
mmp
Yana Demenko wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> I just found interesting information about BlogCamp CIS and Baltics -
> unconference event on new media, blogs and web 2.0 that took place in
> Kyiv, Ukraine on Oct. 13-14, 2007.
>
> The organizers of this event are sharing an article which describes the
> format and results of it. Those of you who understand Russian may have a
> look at this link http://blogcamp.com.ua/index.php?title=Main_Page.
>
> My first reaction on this article was: "No doubts, this is an open space
> event!". The only difference is the length of the sessions (they used
> only 20 minutes for each one - 60 sessions per 2 days! Wow :)) and no
> circle for the opening ... other things seems the same to me. All this
> process organizers calls "unconference event in the barcamp format". A
> bit more about barcamp format I found here http://barcamp.org/ (in
> English).
>
> Has anybody heard about this?
>
> Sweet dreams to Europe, have a nice day, Australia, good morning America
> :-)
>
> Greetings from Ukraine,
> Yana
>
>
> ---
> Yana Demenko
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> [mob] +38.067.4046322
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> [web] www.demenko.info
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>From Fri Oct 19 00:18:47 2007
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Subject: Re: barcamp - the open space analog? has anybody heard about this?
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Well said, Kaliya.
> Barcamp is not open space.
> It is a copy of a copy of openspace.
It starts out with a bang, but fails to build a real community of peers,
in my opinion. Which I, of course, find disappointing.
Kaliya Hamlin wrote:
> Barcamp is not open space.
> It is a copy of a copy of openspace.
>
> The "copy" was foocamp an invitation only illetist event put on by
> oreilly media it stands for "friends of oreilly" they do " alpha geek
> run at the wall with sharpies" to create the agenda -very in intense
> and not very welcoming.
>
> Barcamp was a copy of this process put on by people who had never even
> been to foocamp.
>
> I was at the first barcamp and have been to foocamp. Neither are
> openspace.
>
> The reason I started unconference.Net was to educate the tech
> community about good process including open space -how to do what they
> are trying to go well and not thinking they invented it (cause they
> thought that)
> Kaliya
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Yana Demenko <yana at demenko.info
> <mailto:yana at demenko.info>> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> I just found interesting information about BlogCamp CIS and Baltics -
>> unconference event on new media, blogs and web 2.0 that took place in
>> Kyiv, Ukraine on Oct. 13-14, 2007.
>>
>> The organizers of this event are sharing an article which describes
>> the format and results of it. Those of you who understand Russian may
>> have a look at this link
>> http://blogcamp.com.ua/index.php?title=Main_Page.
>>
>> My first reaction on this article was: "No doubts, this is an open
>> space event!". The only difference is the length of the
>> sessions (they used only 20 minutes for each one - 60 sessions per 2
>> days! Wow :)) and no circle for the opening ... other things seems
>> the same to me. All this process organizers calls "*unconference
>> event in the **barcamp format*". A bit more about barcamp format I
>> found here http://barcamp.org/ (in English).
>>
>> Has anybody heard about this?
>>
>> Sweet dreams to Europe, have a nice day, Australia, good morning
>> America :-)
>>
>> Greetings from Ukraine,
>> Yana
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Yana Demenko
>> [e-mail] yana at demenko.info <mailto:yana at demenko.info>
>> [mob] +38.067.4046322
>> [post] p.o.box 4-B, 01001, Kyiv-1, Ukraine
>> [web] www.demenko.info <http://www.demenko.info>
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
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Well said, Kaliya.<br>
<br>
> Barcamp is not open space.
<div>> It is a copy of a copy of openspace.<br>
<br>
It starts out with a bang, but fails to build a real community of
peers, in my opinion. Which I, of course, find disappointing.<br>
</div>
<br>
Kaliya Hamlin wrote:
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<div>Barcamp is not open space.</div>
<div>It is a copy of a copy of openspace.</div>
<div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>The "copy" was foocamp an invitation only illetist event put on
by oreilly media it stands for "friends of oreilly" they do " alpha
geek run at the wall with sharpies" to create the agenda -very in
intense and not very welcoming.</div>
<div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>Barcamp was a copy of this process put on by people who had
never even been to foocamp.</div>
<div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>I was at the first barcamp and have been to foocamp. Neither are
openspace.</div>
<div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>The reason I started unconference.Net was to educate the tech
community about good process including open space -how to do what they
are trying to go well and not thinking they invented it (cause they
thought that)</div>
<div>Kaliya=C2=A0<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Oct 18, 2007, at 4:39 PM, Yana Demenko <<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"=
href=3D"mailto:yana at demenko.info">yana at demenko.info</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Dear friends,=C2=A0
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<div>I just found interesting information about=C2=A0BlogCamp CIS and=
Baltics - unconference event on new media, blogs and web 2.0 that took
place in Kyiv, Ukraine on Oct. 13-14, 2007.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>The organizers of this event are sharing an article which
describes the format and results of it. Those of you who understand
Russian may have a look at this link <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"http://blogcamp.com.ua/index.php?title=3DMain_Page">http://blogc=
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<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span">My first reaction on this
article was: "No doubts, this is an open space event!". The only
difference=C2=A0is the length of the sessions=C2=A0(they used only 20 min=
utes for
each one - 60 sessions per 2 days! Wow :)) and no circle for the
opening ... other things seems the same to me. All this process
organizers calls "<b>unconference event in the=C2=A0</b><b>barcamp format=
</b>".
A bit more about barcamp format I found here=C2=A0<a moz-do-not-send=3D"t=
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href=3D"http://barcamp.org">http://barcamp.org</a>/ (in English).=C2=A0=C2=
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<div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span">Has anybody heard about this?=C2=
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<div>Sweet dreams to Europe, have a nice day, Australia,=C2=A0good
morning America :-)</div>
<div><br class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>Greetings from Ukraine,=C2=A0</div>
<div>Yana=C2=A0=C2=A0</div>
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<div><br>
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<div>---</div>
<div>Yana Demenko</div>
<div>[e-mail] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:yana at demenko.info">yana at demenko.info</a></div>
<div>[mob] +38.067.4046322</div>
<div>[post] p.o.box 4-B,=C2=A001001,=C2=A0Kyiv-1, Ukraine</div>
<div>[web] <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.demenko.inf=
o">www.demenko.info</a>=C2=A0</div>
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