finding a quote
Harrison Owen
hhowen at verizon.net
Mon Nov 19 14:31:18 PST 2007
Well you sort of got me. I know the author. Nobody would talk like that
except me. And you may question the wisdom of all that. But as to the
citation, I am not sure. Given the date, I would say "The Power of Spirit:
How Organizations Transform" (Berrett-Koehler). On the other hand I don't
remember saying anything like that in "Spirit" -- But I do recall something
to the same effect in, "The Practice of Peace"(Human Systems Dynamics
Institute). But in the interest of your sanity (to say nothing of protecting
me from charges of loosing my own) -- I think you can safely attribute it to
"Harrison Owen -- personal communication." Always works when I get into a
tight spot. :-)
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Subject: finding a quote
Hi All,
I am trying to meet a deadline (in about 5 hours!) for handing in a
thesis draft that includes information about OST.
Missing a page number for a quote, I tried to find it on the net and
can't seem to.
This is the quote:
A brief consideration of the remarkable fact that after 14 billion
years and multiple disasters we are all still here to complain about
how badly things are going. All of which is to say that things have
been working rather well under the circumstances, at least
sufficiently well to enable countless generations to come to fruition
and pass their wisdom and skills on to the succeeding generations.
Simple Question – How come? Proposed answer – Self-Organization
rules (Owen, 1998)
I thought I took it from "Emergent Order" but it is not there as far
as I can tell.
Has it been removed, or am I having hallucinations?
(Hallucinations are distinctly possible - sleep is such a a distant
memory.)
I can quote something that has changed, since I have my access date.
All I need to do is to organise a page number.
(That is, if you don't mind my using your words, Harrison.)
I would really appreciate being told where to find this quote, or
where it was, presuming it ever existed.
Allison
From hot Healesville - Yarra Valley - SE Australia.
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I found it here, which is Harrison's own site on The Practice of Peace
http://www.openspaceworld.com/the_program.htm
Hope this helps
deb
Allison & Jim Baensch wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am trying to meet a deadline (in about 5 hours!) for handing in a=20
> thesis draft that includes information about OST.
> Missing a page number for a quote, I tried to find it on the net and=20
> can't seem to.
>
> This is the quote:
> A brief consideration of the remarkable fact that after 14 billion=20
> years and multiple disasters we are all still here to complain about=20
> how badly things are going. All of which is to say that things have=20
> been working rather well under the circumstances, at least=20
> sufficiently well to enable countless generations to come to fruition=20
> and pass their wisdom and skills on to the succeeding generations.=20
> Simple Question =96 How come? Proposed answer =96 Self-Organization ru=
les=20
> (Owen, 1998)
>
> I thought I took it from "Emergent Order" but it is not there as far=20
> as I can tell.
> Has it been removed, or am I having hallucinations?
> (Hallucinations are distinctly possible - sleep is such a a distant=20
> memory.)
>
> I can quote something that has changed, since I have my access date.
> All I need to do is to organise a page number.
>
> (That is, if you don't mind my using your words, Harrison.)
>
> I would really appreciate being told where to find this quote, or=20
> where it was, presuming it ever existed.
> Allison
> From hot Healesville - Yarra Valley - SE Australia.
>
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I found it here, which is Harrison's own site on The Practice of Peace<br=
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the_program.htm">http://www.openspaceworld.com/the_program.htm</a><br>
Hope this helps<br>
deb<br>
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Allison & Jim Baensch wrote:
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:C7C29761-B3D1-4AC1-8ADE-E57A6E75A88E at iinet.net.au=
"
type=3D"cite">Hi All,
<br>
I am trying to meet a deadline (in about 5 hours!) for handing in a
thesis draft that includes information about OST.
<br>
Missing a page number for a quote, I tried to find it on the net and
can't seem to.
<br>
<br>
This is the quote:
<br>
A brief consideration of the remarkable fact that after 14 billion
years and multiple disasters we are all still here to complain about
how badly things are going. All of which is to say that things have
been working rather well under the circumstances, at least sufficiently
well to enable countless generations to come to fruition and pass their
wisdom and skills on to the succeeding generations. Simple Question =96
How come?=A0 Proposed answer =96 Self-Organization rules (Owen, 1998)
<br>
<br>
I thought I took it from "Emergent Order" but it is not there as far as
I can tell.
<br>
Has it been removed, or am I having hallucinations?
<br>
(Hallucinations are distinctly possible - sleep is such a a distant
memory.)
<br>
<br>
I can quote something that has changed, since I have my access date.
<br>
All I need to do is to organise a page number.
<br>
<br>
(That is, if you don't mind my using your words, Harrison.)
<br>
<br>
I would really appreciate being told where to find this quote, or where
it was, presuming it ever existed.
<br>
Allison
<br>
=46rom hot Healesville - Yarra Valley - SE Australia.
<br>
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Oh boy! I like
> BURP - Brilliant Use of the Right People
lol
It says it all, for me.
Kaliya Hamlin wrote:
> why acronyms at all?
>
> I think that the principles open source folks have focused on is 'cool
> naming' is "everything"
>
> So you have very odd names in that field but they are cool.
> -kaliya
>
> On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Ralph Copleman wrote:
>
>> I'm one person who has no interest in royal noses or royal anything,
>> but I definitely support the underlying notion, so I propose, instead
>> of "Royal Order of Nose Followers", we try one of these...
>>
>> DONT - Democratic Order of Nose Travelers
>> OUF - Order of Unfunded Facilitators
>> POCOSO - Proud Order of Community-Oriented Space Openers
>> COOS - Community-Oriented Open Spacers
>> OPENS - Organization Purposely Elevating Novel Spaces
>> JOURNEY - Just Opening Unused Resources Nearly Everywhere, Yessiree
>> BURP - Brilliant Use of the Right People
>>
>> (This is what happens on a rainy New Jersey Sunday with nothing on
>> the schedule.)
>>
>> Ralph
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Oh boy! I like<br>
> BURP - Brilliant Use of the Right People<br>
lol<br>
<br>
It says it all, for me.<br>
<br>
Kaliya Hamlin wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:5A3395D3-3C67-481F-91FE-AD2C16811020 at mac.com"
type="cite">why acronyms at all?
<div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>I think that the principles open source folks have focused on is
'cool naming' is "everything"</div>
<div><br class="khtml-block-placeholder">
</div>
<div>So you have very odd names in that field but they are cool.</div>
<div>-kaliya</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Ralph Copleman wrote:</div>
<br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="margin: 0px;">I'm one person who has no interest in
royal noses or royal anything, but I definitely support the underlying
notion, so I propose, instead of "Royal Order of Nose Followers", we
try one of these...</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">DONT - Democratic Order of Nose Travelers</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">OUF - Order of Unfunded Facilitators</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">POCOSO - Proud Order of
Community-Oriented Space Openers</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">COOS - Community-Oriented Open Spacers</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">OPENS - Organization Purposely Elevating
Novel Spaces</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">JOURNEY - Just Opening Unused Resources
Nearly Everywhere, Yessiree</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">BURP - Brilliant Use of the Right People</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">(This is what happens on a rainy New
Jersey Sunday with nothing on the schedule.)</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Ralph</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; min-height: 14px;"><br>
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