SV: OS with engineering consultants - help with theme please!

Mon Mar 26 04:14:35 PDT 2007

Hello Lise

Thank you so much for your input.  I hear what you say
about engineers - this is my experience of them too!

I will let you know how things progress.

Kind regards,

Anne
--- Lise Damkjær <lise at learning4life.dk> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am an engineer myself and do a lot of open space. 
> 
> My point of view is that we have to be very
> appreciative in our way of
> putting the question and that it is easier to get
> engineers to get
> passionated if the theme is about getting something
> to work. And having a
> question that seems unrealistic to solve is tempting
> us to think different
> and at the same time it helps us to get motivated.
> 
>  
> 
> I would trust in open space to let entusiasm and
> teamwork emerge and let the
> question be something else. 
> 
> If posible ask the organization what they expect
> from bringing entusiasm and
> teamwork – why do they want that? Probably they want
> some work done – make
> the question from that.
> 
> If the work they want done is about getting more
> customers – then ask for
> instance: “How do we get double as many customers
> and an exciting workplace
> at the same time?”
> 
>  
> 
> I would love to do it together with you, but
> Copenhagen is a little too far
> away – so I wish you very good luck!
> 
>  
> 
> Lise
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> Fra: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
> På vegne af Joelle Lyons
> Everett
> Sendt: 23. marts 2007 21:08
> Til: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Emne: Re: OS with engineering consultants - help
> with theme please!
> 
>  
> 
> Anne--
> 
> >From my experience, you likely need a meeting with
> a design team made up of
> representatives from the various groups that you
> mention in the
> organization.  Allow enough time to play with the
> theme until you get beyond
> the obvious expressions, to something that the team
> feels excited about.
> 
> I have found that as an outsider, I am a poor
> predictor of what will
> resonate, intrigue, and excite people within the
> organization.  Some design
> teams have come up with themes that totally left me
> cold, but they attracted
> lots of people to the meeting and started lively
> conversations.  Your role
> can be to listen for what brings up energy and
> excitement (in the design
> team work), perhaps combine a couple of thoughts or
> statements and help the
> group shape the theme so it reads easily and is not
> too long or complicated.
> In other words, you are a facilitator here, not the
> proposer.
> 
> In a case or two where the organization was not
> interested in getting
> involved with this process, the resulting OS did not
> work as well.  When you
> have a design team and it is truly representative,
> you will begin to see the
> issues and coalitions that are likely to show up in
> Open Space.  These
> people who are involved in the OS before the actual
> meeting date can also be
> your allies within the organization, drawing in
> other people by their own
> involvement and enthusiasm.
> 
> All my best wishes for a project that should be an
> exciting one!
> 
> Joelle
> 
> Joelle Lyons Everett
> Sound Resources
> Shelton, Washington, USA
> 
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Thomas =96 the voting procedure I used (which is also in my book) was =
actually
taken from Andrew Delbec and the so called Nominal Group Process. It =
uses a
weighted score (assign 10 to your highest, 9,8,7 etc) When this is done =
on a
computer, which we have done, it is very simple and efficient. And with =
the
software we used, the results came out as bar graphs, which made all the
engineers very happy. The details, as I said are in The User=92s Guide.

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Dear friends in Open Space      =20

I am having discussions with a friend of mine who runs a company which =
does
surveys for companies in a quite interesting and easy way =96 by using
Internet. In September I will facilitate an OST-meeting with about 350
people =96 only 5-6 hours. I would like to try letting the participants =
have
the documentation sent and allowing time for reading before voting on =
which
are most important to them.=20

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A couple of times I=B4ve let participants answer via email =96 which of =
course
is a lot of work. So in order to do one less thing I=B4d like to try =
this
software which we very easily can modify to meet our needs.

=20

My question is: What recommendations/ideas do you have for the voting. =
When
I use stickies in physical voting (which I=B4ve done with quite large =
groups)
I usually give them something like 5 votes to use as they like =96 all =
five on
one issue or spread out. This could be one alternative for this software
too. I know some of you let people put 10 votes on the top one, 9 on the
second most important and so on until 1.=20

=20

So I would appreciate pros and cons that you see/have experienced about
these methods and any other suggestions.

Warmest regards

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Open Space Consulting Fax +46 (0)300-713 89
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so
called Nominal Group Process. It uses a weighted score (assign 10 to =
your
highest, 9,8,7 etc) When this is done on a computer, which we have done, =
it is
very simple and efficient. And with the software we used, the results =
came out
as bar graphs, which made all the engineers very happy. The details, as =
I said
are in The User’s Guide.

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> voting - after =
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home from an OST-meeting</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear friends in Open
Space       </span></font></p>

I am having discussions =
with a
friend of mine who runs a company which does surveys for companies in a =
quite
interesting and easy way – by using Internet. In September I will
facilitate an OST-meeting with about 350 people – only 5-6 hours. =
I would
like to try letting the participants have the documentation sent and =
allowing
time for reading before voting on which are most important to them. =

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>

A couple of times I=B4ve =
let
participants answer via email – which of course is a lot of work. =
So in
order to do one less thing I=B4d like to try this software which we very =
easily
can modify to meet our needs.

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>

My question is: What
recommendations/ideas do you have for the voting. When I use stickies in
physical voting (which I=B4ve done with quite large groups) I usually =
give them
something like 5 votes to use as they like – all five on one issue =
or
spread out. This could be one alternative for this software too. I know =
some of
you let people put 10 votes on the top one, 9 on the second most =
important and
so on until 1.

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So I would appreciate pros =
and cons
that you see/have experienced about these methods and any other =
suggestions.</span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Warmest =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Thomas Herrmann Phone +46 (0)709-98 97 81<br>
Open Space Consulting Fax +46 (0)300-713 89<br>
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