AW: climate-neutral flights and drives!
Michael M Pannwitz
mmpanne at boscop.de
Thu Apr 12 12:48:43 PDT 2007
Dear Chris,
one of a number of pretty impressive ways to make a contribution for
less CO2 is to reduce travelling (car, plane, et.). One of the proven
and impressive ways for osnicks like me is to travel to other countries
primarily in the role as trainer of other osnicks. An example is
Ukraine. Jo and I went there and were involved in training some 50
colleagues who are now actively facilitating os events in Ukraine (have
a look at the world map and the worldscape). And eventually will conduct
their own trainings there. Same was true for Hungary, Denmark, Russia,
Pakistan and the many other places many of us went to train colleagues
to never or rarely go there again just as facilitators.
These days (which is different from lets say 5 or 8 years ago)the
need/urge/necessity/excuse/etc. for me to go to far off places is
increasingly deminishing since osnicks are showing up all over the
place. I still enjoy travelling, mind you, and am envious when I see
where some of us are going to all the time. But when I take a closer
look, I increasingly wonder why I or others go to far off places where
there are osnicks, maybe not in huge numbers maybe, but certainly
capable to do the job locally. We might enjoy honoring that and work
less all to further sustainability and the spread of os.
One neat tool to use next time one of us gets a call is to look at the
open space world map and have a look-see who is closer by.
Of course, this discussion re-opens the window on the future of WOSonOS.
Gads, I love those gatherings!!! One less thing to do? Having more
local, citywide, national, regional Open Spaces on Open Space?
At the same time people are booking million dollars/ million tons of CO2
flights into outer space and soon to the moon and back.
Greetings from Berlin where my family encourages me to walk to the
bakery or to take the bike and we are discussing the need of a car in a
city like Berlin where in fact you can get any place by public
transportation and mostly even faster and certainly safer than by car
mmp
Here the link to the world map
> http://www.openspaceworldmap.org/
and the worldscape
> http://www.openspaceworldscape.org/
Chris Corrigan wrote:
> This is an interesting conversation froma number of perspectives. I am
> currently looking at ways to make my business as green as we can get it
> and purchasing carbon offsets is on my mind. I travel A LOT and a lot
> of it is by air, so I'm pretty aware of how much carbon is being
> consumed to move my body around the world.
>
> My current thinking is that there are more tangible and real ways of
> bringing a sustainability consciousness to my work and investing money
> to support that. I agree with Monbiot that purchasing carbon credits
> without also having a sustainability consciousness isn't really the
> shift that is needed. For me. it is a far more productive practice to
> find ways to make Open Space meetings less dependant on non renewable
> resources, offering good local or organic food where we can and
> minimizing the amount of paper we use. Doing that is tangible because
> it is action that proceeds from the consciousness we are talking about
> AND is actually makes a difference. Unlike Open Space meetings, planes
> fly anyway, and to some extent, it feels like I am hopping a ride on an
> already scheduled carbon event. If I pay more attention to the small
> choices that I make in everyday practice, ironically it has a bigger
> impact. It;s about bringin presence and mindfulness to the work.
>
> Not to say that purchasing carbon credits is a bad idea, it's just that
> I'm looking at it from the perspective of spending money. If I am going
> to put my money where my mouth is regarding climate change, I am leaning
> towards investing that money in local economy, with local businesses who
> are operating sustainably too. I am a member of the Business Alliance
> for Local Living Economy, which is a North America wide network of local
> business hubs focussed on sustainability and thriving local economies.
> Supporting other businesses in our network is a useful and tangible step.
>
> It's an interesting thing to be thinking about. The challenge for me,
> from an Open Space perspective, is how to marry passion and
> responsibility to bring about the changes I want to see. A vibrant
> local economy with supplies purchased not from Staples and other big box
> office supply stores but from my friend down the road who runs
> Frogfile.ca <http://Frogfile.ca> is a more tangible way of doing it for
> me.
>
> Thanks for the carbon credit links though...definitely putting it in my
> mix..
>
> Chris
>
> On 4/12/07, *cliodhna mulhern* <cliodhna at flowstone.org.uk
> <mailto:cliodhna at flowstone.org.uk>> wrote:
>
> To quote wikipedia which highlights the views of a fellow Oxford
> resident - George Monbiot:
>
> "Many environmentalists disagree with the principle of carbon offsets.
> George Monbiot , an English environmentalist and
> writer, has compared carbon offsets to the practice of purchasing
> Indulgences during the Middle Ages, whereby people
> with money could purchase forgiveness for their sins (instead of
> actually repenting and not sinning anymore). Monbiot also says that
> carbon offsets are an excuse for business as usual with regards to
> pollution. To date, no authoritative studies have been
> performed concerning offset buyers' behavior (e.g., whether they take
> other measures to reduce their CO_2 output.)"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offset
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hello Jon and thank you for this posting. I think George Monbiot's
> thoughts give us a helpful nudge to be realistic about the
> limitations of carbon offsetting as a strategy while embracing the
> motivation behind it...it is really great that there is such a surge
> of self-awareness in travel planning and I take my hat off to
> everyone who is thinking twice about how to get from A to B...
>
> From the (unusually) sunny Faughan Valley in North West Ireland.
>
> Cliodhna Mulhern
> flowstone
> +44(0)7929 328513
>
> "All meaningful and lasting change starts first in your imagination
> and then works its way out. Imagination is more important than
> knowledge. "
> Albert Einstein
>
> *On Wed Apr 11 23:50 , Jon Harvey sent:
>
> *
>
> Catherine
>
> No - I did not think your posting was a hoax. My response was
> whimsical
> (perhaps to lighten the mood a little on this listserv at the
> moment...
> the website I recommended - which I parenthesised - is a real spoof
> website that is quite funny).
>
> But I do think there is a serious point here as well (which lies
> behind
> the spoof website too) as to whether carbon offsetting is an
> effective
> response to global warming.
>
> To quote wikipedia which highlights the views of a fellow Oxford
> resident - George Monbiot:
>
> "Many environmentalists disagree with the principle of carbon
> offsets.
> George Monbiot , an English environmentalist and
> writer, has compared carbon offsets to the practice of purchasing
> Indulgences during the Middle Ages, whereby people
>
> with money could purchase forgiveness for their sins (instead of
> actually repenting and not sinning anymore). Monbiot also says that
> carbon offsets are an excuse for business as usual with regards to
> pollution.^[15] <#_note-7> To date, no authoritative studies
> have been
> performed concerning offset buyers' behavior (e.g., whether they
> take
> other measures to reduce their CO_2 output.)"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offset
> <http://parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCarbon_offset>
>
> I do have some sympathies with his point of view. And I do
> appreciate
> your commitment to using trains. This is a complex area of
> ethics and I
> am still working out my own standards.
>
> Hope this helps and keeps the space open..
>
> Regards
>
> Jon
>
>
> Catherine Pfaehler wrote:
> > Jon, my posting was serious. Did you check out the website of
> > www.myclimate.org
> <http://mail.uk2.net/parse.pl?redirect=http://www.myclimate.org>,
> or did you just think it was a hoax?
> >
> > I'm using it regularly when I fly (which I avoid whenever I
> can take a train
> > around Europe), and so is our company for its car. I have
> followed this
> > initiative from its beginning. It's now 5 years old and has
> become a serious
> > and ethical business.
> >
> > Regards - Catherine
> >
> > Catherine Pfaehler Senn
> > lic.oec.HSG
> > Open Space Begleitung
> > Kellersriedweg 8
> > CH - 2503 Biel
> > +41-(0)32 - 365 68 41
> > c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Jon Harvey
> [only.connect at virgin.net','','','')">only.connect at virgin.net]
>
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2007 23:34
> > An: c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch <mailto:c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch>
> > Cc: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > Betreff: Re: climate-neutral flights and drives!
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I would also 'recommend' a website called:
> >
> >
> <http://mail.uk2.net/parse.pl?redirect=http://www.cheatneutral.com>
> www.cheatneutral.com <http://www.cheatneutral.com>
> >
> > ...where people who are committing adultery can have their
> behaviour
> > offset by someone else who is committed to a single life or
> fidelity...
> >
> > I have also resolved to drink only flat beers from now on - as
> I think
> > that gassy beer can only be adding to greenhouse gases...
> >
> > Happy space to everyone!
> >
> > Jon
> > Oxford
> >
> >
> >
> > Catherine Pfaehler wrote:
> >
> > > Harrison and everybody - wishing you well...
> > >
> > > Did you know that on
> <http://mail.uk2.net/parse.pl?redirect=http://www.myclimate.org>
> www.myclimate.org <http://www.myclimate.org> you can buy climate
> tickets along
> > > with your airline tickets to CO2-neutralize your flights, and
> even your
> > >
> > car
> >
> > > drives? A great initiative by swiss students which is doing a
> wonderful
> > >
> > job
> >
> > > in investing the money they make in neutralizing projects!
> You enter your
> > > points of departure and arrival and the system calculates how
> many tons of
> > > CO2 you emit by sitting in that plane. Then it tells you how
> much a
> > >
> > climate
> >
> > > ticket costs. You buy it with your credit card. Absolutely
> affordable!
> > >
> > > Love, Catherine
> > >
> > > Catherine Pfaehler Senn
> > > lic.oec.HSG
> > > Open Space Begleitung
> > > Kellersriedweg 8
> > > CH - 2503 Biel
> > > +41-(0)32 - 365 68 41
> > > c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch <mailto:c.pfaehler at bluewin.ch>
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: Harrison Owen [hhowen at verizon.net
> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>','','','')"> hhowen at verizon.net
> <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net>]
>
> > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2007 01:50
> > > Betreff: For My Friends in Kiev
> > >
> > > Just so you know - I think what you are doing is wonderful,
> and I hope
> > >
> > that
> >
> > > everybody who can - will come. For myself - I would be there
> except for a
> > > Sciatic Nerve that reminds me that I am not as young as I
> used to be, and
> > > further -- that multiple hours on planes is not a good thing
> at this
> > >
> > point.
> >
> > > I was amazed (depressed) to find that on United Airlines
> alone I had
> > >
> > clocked
> >
> > > ¾ of a million miles. Just think of the tons of CO2
> (greenhouse gas) I
> > >
> > have
> >
> > > contributed!!! Anyhow, I have to stick closer to home at the
> moment, and I
> > > know you will have a grand time!
> > >
> > > Harrison
> > >
> > > Harrison Owen
> > > 7808 River Falls Drive
> > > Potomac, Maryland 20854
> > > Phone 301-365-2093
> > > Skype hhowen
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