an interesting meeting in Berlin]

Mon Sep 4 10:12:53 PDT 2006

An excellent question. and. perhaps the 'right' forum for it.

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Phelim
McDermott
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:48 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]

Last time i looked this was the top rated question today it's number five!

How do we reduce the elitism of knowledge such as your event? Why do the
masses ask you and not the other way around? Can you not ask questions of us
and allow us to answer. Certainly we have better answers being more minds
than you?

Phelimx

On 4 Sep 2006, at 17:27, Nancy Weatherhead wrote:

I understand the bias here against 'experts'. but most of the 'experts' I
have met are fully aware of their own lack of ability to answer all
questions and would only choose to call themselves an expert in a certain
area/field of living. and.. I do not see this word being used here. I also
see that this is yet another forum that is looking for input from a wide
variety and cross section of people from all countries and areas of
'expertise'.  Perhaps if you can look beyond a form that is not of your
choosing you could find some value here?

Nancy

See with an open heart, hear with an open mind.

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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Harrison
Owen
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:44 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]

Thanks to my increasing myopia (doubtless due to sins past and present) I
did in fact miss the URL. small print! is the root of all evil!! But I love
you Funda!!!

And Michael -- you captured my feeling exactly when it come to events like
this. Doubtless it will be a marvelous show, but as an advance of real
knowledge, and more importantly the application of that knowledge, I rather
think it will come up short. The "Expert Syndrome" one more time. Old joke
about the definition of "expert" -- "a has been under pressure." Some truth
there, I think.

Harrison

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From:  <mailto:mmpanne at boscop.de> Michael M Pannwitz

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Subject: [Fwd: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]

Dear list,
yesterday, I did send the note below to ho who had not discovered the 
link and entered my esteemed opinion on this project.
Its in the local Berlin paper again today with a long report on how they 
are creating two setups, one indoor for rain and one outdoor for sunny 
weather...its quite a huge table coated with a very fancy and expensive 
material that can also be written on...they have already approached the 
Guinness Book of World Records for the largest round table ever...and I 
wouldnt be surprised if they cut it up in pieces and auction it off as 
they did with other local objects like the Berlin Wall....and, of 
course, there is going to be a video where you can see all of them 
simultaneously answering questions...

To me this is a good example for the paradigm "Experts solve Problems" 
(Taylor, Scientific management)which dominated the art between 1900 and 
1950, followed by a phase of "Everybody solves Problems" (Group Problem 
Solving, Lewin etc.) which in recent years, under the influence of 
Systems Thinking, has been changing since 1965 into "Experts improve 
whole systems" and, more recently, with the development of approaches 
such as Open Space, Future Search, etc., into "Everybody improves whole 
systems".
I dont think that an approach long shown to be useless for the 
challenges we are facing now improves through technology that makes it 
available instantaneously, worldwide...
Still, its a fascinating show that definitely is marketed in an 
effective mode...
So, for me its back to practicing Open Space Technology!
Greetings from Berlin
mmp

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:18:25 +0200
From: Michael M Pannwitz < <mailto:mmpanne at boscop.de> mmpanne at boscop.de>
To: Harrison Owen < <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net> hhowen at verizon.net>
References: < <mailto:00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0 at fundao0ngpntt7>
00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0 at fundao0ngpntt7> 
< <mailto:002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018 at holaptop>
002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018 at holaptop>

click on the link she supplied, its a little hard to see for old men like me
it was in the local Berlin paper today and I consider it to be a
fabulous piece of bullshit,
especially since they definitely forgot to include THIS
great mind
Tables have been out for some time...
Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Harrison Owen wrote:
> OK Funda. You are indeed the "mystery woman." No more mysterious than 
> now. . . What interesting meeting in Berlin????
>  
> ho
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
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