an interesting meeting in Berlin]

Phelim McDermott phelim at mac.com
Mon Sep 4 09:47:54 PDT 2006


Last time i looked this was the top rated question today it's number  
five!



How do we reduce the elitism of knowledge such as your event? Why do  
the masses ask you and not the other way around? Can you not ask  
questions of us and allow us to answer. Certainly we have better  
answers being more minds than you?


Phelimx





On 4 Sep 2006, at 17:27, Nancy Weatherhead wrote:

> I understand the bias here against ‘experts’… but most of the  
> ‘experts’ I have met are fully aware of their own lack of ability  
> to answer all questions and would only choose to call themselves an  
> expert in a certain area/field of living… and.. I do not see this  
> word being used here… I also see that this is yet another forum  
> that is looking for input from a wide variety and cross section of  
> people from all countries and areas of ‘expertise’.  Perhaps if you  
> can look beyond a form that is not of your choosing you could find  
> some value here?
>
>
>
> Nancy
>
> See with an open heart, hear with an open mind.
>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of  
> Harrison Owen
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:44 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]
>
>
>
> Thanks to my increasing myopia (doubtless due to sins past and  
> present) I did in fact miss the URL. small print! is the root of  
> all evil!! But I love you Funda!!!
>
>
>
> And Michael -- you captured my feeling exactly when it come to  
> events like this. Doubtless it will be a marvelous show, but as an  
> advance of real knowledge, and more importantly the application of  
> that knowledge, I rather think it will come up short. The "Expert  
> Syndrome" one more time. Old joke about the definition of "expert"  
> -- "a has been under pressure." Some truth there, I think.
>
>
>
> Harrison
>
>
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD  20854
> USA
> 301-365-2093
> 207-763-3261 (summer)
> website www.openspaceworld.com
> Personal Website www.ho-image.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Michael M Pannwitz
>
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>
> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 4:12 AM
>
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin]
>
>
>
> Dear list,
> yesterday, I did send the note below to ho who had not discovered the
> link and entered my esteemed opinion on this project.
> Its in the local Berlin paper again today with a long report on how  
> they
> are creating two setups, one indoor for rain and one outdoor for sunny
> weather...its quite a huge table coated with a very fancy and  
> expensive
> material that can also be written on...they have already approached  
> the
> Guinness Book of World Records for the largest round table  
> ever...and I
> wouldnt be surprised if they cut it up in pieces and auction it off as
> they did with other local objects like the Berlin Wall....and, of
> course, there is going to be a video where you can see all of them
> simultaneously answering questions...
>
> To me this is a good example for the paradigm "Experts solve Problems"
> (Taylor, Scientific management)which dominated the art between 1900  
> and
> 1950, followed by a phase of "Everybody solves Problems" (Group  
> Problem
> Solving, Lewin etc.) which in recent years, under the influence of
> Systems Thinking, has been changing since 1965 into "Experts improve
> whole systems" and, more recently, with the development of approaches
> such as Open Space, Future Search, etc., into "Everybody improves  
> whole
> systems".
> I dont think that an approach long shown to be useless for the
> challenges we are facing now improves through technology that makes it
> available instantaneously, worldwide...
> Still, its a fascinating show that definitely is marketed in an
> effective mode...
> So, for me its back to practicing Open Space Technology!
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: an interesting meeting in Berlin
> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 01:18:25 +0200
> From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.de>
> To: Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>
> References: <00ec01c6cf96$7c0ba5e0$0201a8c0 at fundao0ngpntt7>
> <002601c6cfaa$86112ba0$b2f13018 at holaptop>
>
> click on the link she supplied, its a little hard to see for old  
> men like me
> it was in the local Berlin paper today and I consider it to be a
> fabulous piece of bullshit,
> especially since they definitely forgot to include THIS
> great mind
> Tables have been out for some time...
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> Harrison Owen wrote:
> > OK Funda. You are indeed the "mystery woman." No more mysterious  
> than
> > now. . . What interesting meeting in Berlin????
> >
> > ho
> > Harrison Owen
> > 7808 River Falls Dr.
> > Potomac, MD  20854
> > USA
> > 301-365-2093
> > 207-763-3261 (summer)
> > website www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com>
> > Personal Website www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com>
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* Funda Oral <mailto:fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
> >     *To:* OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >     <mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> >     *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:21 PM
> >     *Subject:* an interesting meeting in Berlin
> >
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