[Fwd: Re: Principles-law-be prepared in German]

Mon Oct 16 01:38:26 PDT 2006

Michael did a great work by translating the principles in a very sensitive 
way into german and I use to follow his suggestions. The only issue, where I 
vary a little is

Whenever it starts...
I prefer "Es beginnt, wenn die Zeit reif ist", which does not change the 
meaning, but is sounding a little smoother in my ears.

Greetings from lovely Vienna
Erich

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael M Pannwitz
  To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:58 PM
  Subject: [OSLIST] [Fwd: Re: Principles-law-be prepared in German]

  Dear colleagues,
  I am taking the liberty to send you this exchange with the always-on-the
  -road-never tiring- enthusiastic - you fill in here -
  Lisa Heft
  cheers from Berlin
  mmp

  -------- Original Message --------
  Subject: Re: Principles-law-be prepared in German
  Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:59 +0200
  From: Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.de>
  To: lisaheft at openingspace.net
  CC: michaeljr at boscop.de,  mareikiele at web.de,  'Erich Kolenaty'
  <e.kolenaty at transformation.at>,  mmpanne at snafu.de
  References: <009701c6eee3$dec5a700$6601a8c0 at Lisa>

  Dear Lisa,
  liebe Lisa,
  here are the transliterations into German, I think a translation in the
  common meaning of the concept does not work well, its important to catch
  both the meaning and the language/culture of the language you use the
  stuff in.
  First of all, I used to translate
  Principles with the word Grundsätze.
  As I moved in open space for a number of years and by now having been
  involved in some 170 occasions as facilitator and trainer I frequently
  use the term
  Facts of Life or, in German,
  Tatsachen des Lebens
  for what I used to call principles or Grundsätze.
  This has partially to do with the fact that when I delved into the
  principles it seemed to me that they are in fact not principles in the
  narrow sense (Webster mentions: law, doctrine, assumed truth, etc.,
  which I think paves the road to calling the principles "rules" which
  quite a few of German facilitators tend to do...)but they are
  observations of how things usually are, very basic.

  And here are the German versions of the "Tatsachen des Lebens" as I use
  them and as they are being used - from my observation - by an increasing
  number of germanspeaking facilitators. I welcome and appreciate this
  development as open space spreads so that it is commonly recognizable
  while at the same time I do think it would be agains my basis
  understanding of open space to in any way insist that these renderings
  are the "truth". There has been a lot of discussions and reflections on
  these in trainings, Learning Exchanges and regional OSonOS...so its in a
  way a common product.

  Whoever comes is the right people
  Die da sind, sind genau die Richtigen

  Whatever happens...
  Was auch immer geschieht: Es ist das Einzige, was geschehen konnte

  Whenever it starts...
  Es fängt an, wenn die Zeit reif ist
  (I think this German idiom expresses the sense of the this fact of life
  well in the sense that it is not arbitrary or accidental when things
  begin but when "the time is ripe")

  When its....
  Vorbei ist vorbei / Nicht vorbei ist nicht vorbei
  (this is one of the few examples of the German being shorter than the
  English, Mark Twain would be surprised...)

  The Law of Two Feet
  Das Gesetz der zwei Füße
  Here, I have developed the habit of drawing not just two stationary feet
  on the poster visualizing the Law but depicting footsteps crossing the
  poster. Its usually half a footstep on the left side of the poster
  entering followed by two fullsized footsteps in the center and half a
  footstep at the right leaving the poster ...like walking across. That
  gives you the motion aspect.
  When it is clear that there are differently abled participants I have a
  wheelchair on the poster, too.
  Often, I add in my introduction some sentences under the heading
  Law of Mobility
  Gesetz der Mobilität.
  The responsibility part I talk about, its not implicitely mentioned or
  contained in the translation or in the poster...I wish someone would
  come up with a good idea to include it, but it needs to be kiss.
  I also think that the Law can stand for itself quite well as a sort of
  provocation which is then picked up by the facilitator in her
  introduction to the process.

  Be prepared to be surprised!
  Augen auf! Mit Überraschungen ist zu rechnen!

  Thanks for doing this work, Lisa, which I think is much more than just
  offering "translations" but an important and basic contribution to
  spreading open space on this planet.

  I take the liberty of sending this note also to oslist and the
  germanlanguage list serve (there are now 240 colleagues gathered there)

  Love and Peace
  mmp

  Lisa Heft wrote:
  > Hi, fabulous folks -
  >
  >
  >
  > I thought I had this translation - but I found that I do not.  If you
  > see this message I am hoping to print out some German signs within a few
  > hours of my sending this message so if you have a moment to
  > quick-respond, that would be great.
  >
  >
  >
  > If one of you happens to be looking at your email right now by chance,
  > can you do me a favor and give me the German
  > translation/interpretation/version of these principles, law, etc.? And I
  > not only shall I be able to offer this language on my signs in a
  > multi-language Open Space I am about to do, but I will post these in my
  > little growing international Glossary of terms and phrases at my website
  > for our other colleagues to use and share.
  >
  >
  >
  > Thank you,
  >
  >
  >
  > Lisa
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Whoever comes is the right person --
  >
  > Whatever happens is the only thing that could have --
  >
  > Whenever it starts is the right time --
  >
  > When it's over, it's over --
  >
  >
  >
  > The Law of Two Feet  -- 
  >
  > (motion and responsibility) --
  >
  >
  >
  > Be Prepared to Be Surprised  -- 
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >

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