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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080 size=2>Michael did a great work by
translating the principles in a very sensitive way into german and I use to
follow his suggestions. The only issue, where I vary a little is</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080 size=2>Whenever it starts...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#800080 size=2>I prefer "<STRONG>Es beginnt,
wenn die Zeit reif ist"</STRONG>, which does not change the meaning, but is
sounding a little smoother in my ears.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080 size=2>Greetings from lovely
Vienna</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080 size=2>Erich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=mmpanne@boscop.de href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de">Michael M
Pannwitz</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 13, 2006 9:58
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [OSLIST] [Fwd: Re:
Principles-law-be prepared in German]</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear colleagues,<BR>I am taking the liberty to send you this
exchange with the always-on-the <BR>-road-never tiring- enthusiastic - you
fill in here -<BR>Lisa Heft<BR>cheers from Berlin<BR>mmp<BR><BR>--------
Original Message --------<BR>Subject: Re: Principles-law-be prepared in
German<BR>Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:54:59 +0200<BR>From: Michael M Pannwitz
<<A href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de">mmpanne@boscop.de</A>><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:lisaheft@openingspace.net">lisaheft@openingspace.net</A><BR>CC:
<A href="mailto:michaeljr@boscop.de">michaeljr@boscop.de</A>, <A
href="mailto:mareikiele@web.de">mareikiele@web.de</A>, 'Erich Kolenaty'
<BR><<A
href="mailto:e.kolenaty@transformation.at">e.kolenaty@transformation.at</A>>,
<A href="mailto:mmpanne@snafu.de">mmpanne@snafu.de</A><BR>References: <<A
href="mailto:009701c6eee3$dec5a700$6601a8c0@Lisa">009701c6eee3$dec5a700$6601a8c0@Lisa</A>><BR><BR>Dear
Lisa,<BR>liebe Lisa,<BR>here are the transliterations into German, I think a
translation in the<BR>common meaning of the concept does not work well, its
important to catch<BR>both the meaning and the language/culture of the
language you use the<BR>stuff in.<BR>First of all, I used to
translate<BR>Principles with the word Grundsätze.<BR>As I moved in open space
for a number of years and by now having been<BR>involved in some 170 occasions
as facilitator and trainer I frequently<BR>use the term<BR>Facts of Life or,
in German,<BR>Tatsachen des Lebens<BR>for what I used to call principles or
Grundsätze.<BR>This has partially to do with the fact that when I delved into
the<BR>principles it seemed to me that they are in fact not principles in
the<BR>narrow sense (Webster mentions: law, doctrine, assumed truth,
etc.,<BR>which I think paves the road to calling the principles "rules"
which<BR>quite a few of German facilitators tend to do...)but they
are<BR>observations of how things usually are, very basic.<BR><BR>And here are
the German versions of the "Tatsachen des Lebens" as I use<BR>them and as they
are being used - from my observation - by an increasing<BR>number of
germanspeaking facilitators. I welcome and appreciate this<BR>development as
open space spreads so that it is commonly recognizable<BR>while at the same
time I do think it would be agains my basis<BR>understanding of open space to
in any way insist that these renderings<BR>are the "truth". There has been a
lot of discussions and reflections on<BR>these in trainings, Learning
Exchanges and regional OSonOS...so its in a<BR>way a common
product.<BR><BR>Whoever comes is the right people<BR>Die da sind, sind genau
die Richtigen<BR><BR>Whatever happens...<BR>Was auch immer geschieht: Es ist
das Einzige, was geschehen konnte<BR><BR>Whenever it starts...<BR>Es fängt an,
wenn die Zeit reif ist<BR>(I think this German idiom expresses the sense of
the this fact of life<BR>well in the sense that it is not arbitrary or
accidental when things<BR>begin but when "the time is ripe")<BR><BR>When
its....<BR>Vorbei ist vorbei / Nicht vorbei ist nicht vorbei<BR>(this is one
of the few examples of the German being shorter than the<BR>English, Mark
Twain would be surprised...)<BR><BR>The Law of Two Feet<BR>Das Gesetz der zwei
Füße<BR>Here, I have developed the habit of drawing not just two stationary
feet<BR>on the poster visualizing the Law but depicting footsteps crossing
the<BR>poster. Its usually half a footstep on the left side of the
poster<BR>entering followed by two fullsized footsteps in the center and half
a<BR>footstep at the right leaving the poster ...like walking across.
That<BR>gives you the motion aspect.<BR>When it is clear that there are
differently abled participants I have a<BR>wheelchair on the poster,
too.<BR>Often, I add in my introduction some sentences under the
heading<BR>Law of Mobility<BR>Gesetz der Mobilität.<BR>The responsibility part
I talk about, its not implicitely mentioned or<BR>contained in the translation
or in the poster...I wish someone would<BR>come up with a good idea to include
it, but it needs to be kiss.<BR>I also think that the Law can stand for itself
quite well as a sort of<BR>provocation which is then picked up by the
facilitator in her<BR>introduction to the process.<BR><BR>Be prepared to be
surprised!<BR>Augen auf! Mit Überraschungen ist zu rechnen!<BR><BR>Thanks for
doing this work, Lisa, which I think is much more than just<BR>offering
"translations" but an important and basic contribution to<BR>spreading open
space on this planet.<BR><BR>I take the liberty of sending this note also to
oslist and the<BR>germanlanguage list serve (there are now 240 colleagues
gathered there)<BR><BR>Love and Peace<BR>mmp<BR><BR>Lisa Heft wrote:<BR>>
Hi, fabulous folks -<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I thought I had
this translation - but I found that I do not. If you <BR>> see this
message I am hoping to print out some German signs within a few <BR>> hours
of my sending this message so if you have a moment to <BR>> quick-respond,
that would be great.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> If one of you
happens to be looking at your email right now by chance, <BR>> can you do
me a favor and give me the German <BR>> translation/interpretation/version
of these principles, law, etc.? And I <BR>> not only shall I be able to
offer this language on my signs in a <BR>> multi-language Open Space I am
about to do, but I will post these in my <BR>> little growing international
Glossary of terms and phrases at my website <BR>> for our other colleagues
to use and share.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Thank you,<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Lisa<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Whoever comes is the right person --<BR>>
<BR>> Whatever happens is the only thing that could have --<BR>>
<BR>> Whenever it starts is the right time --<BR>> <BR>> When it's
over, it's over --<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> The Law of Two
Feet -- <BR>> <BR>> (motion and responsibility) --<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Be Prepared to Be Surprised -- <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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