OZZON reflections (long)
Raffi Aftandelian
raffi at bk.ru
Tue May 30 04:20:02 PDT 2006
Chris,
Thanks for your words of support.
And you know, I think, that I think you do really really kewel
("cool") work. And I look forward to meeting again and remembering
more from you.
I look forward to sharing a future story about 1-2 forums on the topic
"Indifference, carelessness, freebe-ism, dependency- impeccable
irresponsibility as the unique path of Russian companies to responsibility:
issues and opportunities".
One is tentatively planned for early July. Sadly, we will only have
three hours to plumb the depths of this. Enough for action planning?
Don't know. We'll have to see.
Right now reading Nikolai Leskov "Otbornoe Zerno" (Select Grain) an
underappreciated 19th century Russian writer who had much juiciness to
share on the topic of Russian responsibility.
os's essence?
i'm at level three understanding of its essence-
kairos, granularity, emurgince (emergence).
Guys, let's ramp up the granularity!
raffi
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>From Tue May 30 08:07:20 2006
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:07:20 -0400
Reply-To: diane.gibeault at rogers.com
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From: Diane Gibeault <diane.gibeault at rogers.com>
Subject: Re: France OST Training - OST & Innovation
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Hi Raffi,
I agree with you about feeling OST should not now be described as innovative
and I understand and personally agree with your reasons why. The reality is
that for a very large number of people, it is still new. So it may ring a
bell for those who are at the stage of hearing it that way, and not for
others who are way past that stage of discovery.
OST is still innovative also in the sense that it is very much at the other
end of the spectrum when we look at the different methodologies that exist.
I would include in that end of the spectrum, approaches like the Circle and
Dialogue which are similar. I still see OST as singular in what it is. It
seems to be more adept at meeting organizations' preferences in their way of
addressing issues.
I would also say that the OST descriptive "innovation" can touch spirit in
the sense that it appeals to peoples' openness to other possibilities, to
something that brings life, new life where spirit may be suffering.
I like your idea of calling OST a "play space"! Thanks for the beautiful
picture. Some of my clients would be excited about it, others would consider
that too innovative, if you allow me the use of the word in this context.
But I like it and I will continue to search for juicy words to describe Open
Space Technology.
Diane
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Aftandelian
Sent: May 26, 2006 1:13 AM
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Subject: Re: France OST Training
Hi Diane and fellow space-holders!
Thanks for the announcement about the French OST workshop.
Your use of the word "innovative" in describing OST caught my eye. I
would venture that if OST is now drinking age in all countries where
drinking is permitted, that perhaps it is no longer an "innovative"
approach.
I'd also venture that words like "innovative" and "new" are what I
call FIV-infected- "flatland immunodeficiency virus" positive. They
harken to a two-dimensionality of TV, advertising, etc. I'm not sure
they're about Spirit. (Go Ken!)
OST, as I understand it, has always been around, maybe we just didn't
notice it. Harrison with the help of a thousand or so people did the
noticing work for us.
My hope is that more of us will start describing OST as a useful
routine.
On the other hand, calling it an "approach" is right on (hence
FIV-negative). If the name of our now is "emergence" the implications for
the nature of the tools
we use is huge. I experience our social tools as melting, as fluid, and as
what arises in the moment. "Approach" and "attitude" reflect that.
My term for these approaches that act, talk, walk, and smell like
tools but are really approaches is "non-tools." Kind of like
"unconferencing"?
My hope is that we will soon call our OST learning workshops (if we
feel that people must learn in a workshop setting; which many I
understand rightly have their doubts about) "remembering playspaces." Do I
have the courage now to call what I offer a "remembering playspace"? Don't
know.
Let's keep turbocharging the granularity,
raffi
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>From Tue May 30 08:18:18 2006
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>i learned
many things, i had fun and i =
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