FW: Imams and Rabbis --Gender/Countries / Participants
Tree Fitzpatrick
therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com
Fri Mar 31 08:40:39 PST 2006
Thanks for this information. I am happy to be reminded that there are
female scholars in the Muslim world. Please know that I never assumed there
were none.
On 3/31/06, Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> *From:* Mirza Yawar Baig [mailto:leadtrain at yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2006 8:13 AM
> *To:* Funda Oral
> *Cc:* Harrison Owen
> *Subject:* Re: Imams and Rabbis --Gender/Countries / Participants
> *Importance:* High
>
>
>
> I want to respond to the comment below, by Tree Fitzpatrick "I suppose
> there is no such thing as a female Imaam"......that is true only in as much
> as leading the congregational prayer is concerned. There are plenty of women
> scholars, who teach, speak in public, are followed (including by men) and
> are hugely respected (Farhat Hashmi in Pakistan is one such) by all
> Muslims. Any number of them could have been invited and would have come. As
> I said, most of the Muslim world does not seem to have been there (none from
> India - 300 million Muslims - Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia,
> UAE, Afghanistan, Iraq to name some). Also obviously not enough Muslim
> women.
>
>
>
> I am myself an Imaam and an international speaker on Islam and so can say
> the above with authority. Please forward this to Tree with my compliments.
>
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> I am not on the OS List as it is too busy and takes too much time, but as
> an OS practitioner and the only one registered on the Worldwide List from
> this region (India) I will be happy to answer any questions.
>
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>
> Yawar
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> www.yawarbaig.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Funda Oral <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
>
> *To:* Mirza Yawar Baig <leadtrain at yahoo.com>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2006 6:14 PM
>
> *Subject:* Fw: Imams and Rabbis --Gender/Countries / Participants
>
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>
> and turkey with 5 participants, michael confirmed to me and the list later
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael M Pannwitz" <mmpanne at boscop.de>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Imams and Rabbis --Gender/Countries / Participants
>
>
> > Dear Tree,
> > ho gave you the info on the gender distribution.
> > Pretty clear, that one.
> >
> > On other "distribution",
> > details gleaned from the contact list:
> > There were 39 countries present.
> > With one participant each from Quatar, Poland, Bosnia, Tanzania,
> Vatikan,
> > Ivory Coast, Norway, Singapore, Ukraine, Peru, Mali, Senegal, Denmark,
> > Estonia and Tadjikistan
> > With two participants each from Lebanon, Venezuela, Austria, Iran,
> Canada,
> > Indonesia
> > With three participants each from Germany, Tunisia, Egypt,Kenya, Nigeria
>
> > With four: Jordan,
> > With five: Netherlands
> > With more than five: Russia (8), Belgium (8), Italy (9)
> > With more than 10: Marocco(10),Switzerland (11), Spain (15), UK (17),
> > Palestine (20)
> > With plenty: USA (40),France (53) and Israel (65).
> >
> > That counts up to about 300 of which about 140 were Imams and Rabbis.
> > An amazing crowd and I wouldnt be surprised about an even larger number
> of
> > Imams and Rabbis tje next time around with a much larger international
> mix
> > yet.
> >
> > Greetings from Berlin
> > mmp
> >
> >
> > Tree Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >> Thanks, Harrison, for your wonderful report. And thanks to HO, Michael
>
> >> and his colleagues for doing this amazing work in the world. I know, I
>
> >> know, the rabbis and imans also did this wonderful work so thanks for
> all
> >> of them as well.
> >>
> >> I hope my above paragraph conveyed my sincere, warm, enthusiasm and
> >> gratitude. Now I have a question. I do not ask this question to
> >> collapse the field or to diminish the great, wonderful work but I am
> >> sitting here with a curiosity. What was the gender distribution among
> >> the rabbis and imans? I guess there is no such thing as a female iman?
>
> >> So I am wondering if all the rabbis were guys? By voicing my
> curiosity,
> >> I do not wish to diminish the great achievements of this work. Neither
>
> >> do I mean to imply that there 'should' have been female rabbis present.
>
> >> I am just wondering so I'm just asking, unattached to the answer.
> >>
> >> On 3/26/06, *Florian Fischer* <ff at begleitung-im-wandel.com
> >> <mailto:ff at begleitung-im-wandel.com <ff at begleitung-im-wandel.com>>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 26.03.2006 13:00 Uhr schrieb "Harrison Owen" unter <
> >> hhowen at verizon.net <mailto:hhowen at verizon.net <hhowen at verizon.net>
> >>:
> >>
> >> >..... and we all know what we think of Americans! Especially
> >> Americans
> >> > who wore strange hats! (smile)
> >> >
> >> >....... Michael, the Crew, and I
> >> > felt that since a Stammtisch had yet to be held in Seville,
> there
> >> was no
> >> > time like the present. A marvelous, small, neighborhood
> gathering
> >> place
> >> > presented itself, well supplied with good drink and outstanding
> >> Tabas (sp?).
> >>
> >> >.....As I turned to walk on the plane, I heard the Imam say
> loudly
> >> > to his fellows - "That is a great man." Truly I felt
> embarrassed,
> >> but also
> >> > very good. And I think we did some good.>
> >> > So what have we learned?
> >> >
> >> > Doubtless the lessons will continue to surface, but a major one
> >> for me
> >> > might be: REALLY Be Prepared to Be Surprised! .
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi, great man with the strange hat
> >> you alternative but native american
> >> your story tells again
> >> that really acting in open space
> >> is a hard job
> >> but sometimes OST is helpfull.
> >>
> >> by the way
> >> the wonderfull andalusian practice
> >> to add small food to the drink
> >> is called
> >> la TAPA, las TAPAS --
> >> Vamos a tapar
> >> which is �to cover� the drink.
> >>
> >> thanks a lot for your report.
> >>
> >> florian
> >>
> >> ---------------------------
> >> florian fischer
> >> facilitaci�n de desarollo
> >> c/sta.b�rbara 18
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> >> fon/fax 0034.950.389819
> >> www.begleitung-im-wandel.com <http://www.begleitung-im-wandel.com>
> >> ff at begleitung-im-wandel.com <mailto:ff at begleitung-im-wandel.com<ff at begleitung-im-wandel.com>
> >
> >>
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Warmly,
Tree Fitzpatrick
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