Thanks for this information. I am happy to be reminded that there
are female scholars in the Muslim world. Please know that I never
assumed there were none. <br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 3/31/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Harrison Owen</b> <<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net">hhowen@verizon.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Mirza Yawar Baig
[mailto:<a href="mailto:leadtrain@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">leadtrain@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Friday, </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
March 31, 2006</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">8:13 AM</span></font>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> </span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">Funda Oral</span></font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Harrison Owen<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Imams and Rabbis
--Gender/Countries / Participants<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Importance:</span></b> High</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="blue" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">I want to respond to the comment below,
by </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;">Tree Fitzpatrick </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">"I
suppose there is no such thing as a female Imaam"......that is true only
in as much as leading the congregational prayer is concerned. There are plenty
of women scholars, who teach, speak in public, are followed (including by men)
and are hugely respected (Farhat Hashmi in </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">Pakistan</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">
is one
such) by all Muslims. Any number of them could have been invited and would have
come. As I said, most of the Muslim world does not seem to have been there
(none from </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">India</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;"> - 300 million Muslims -
</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">Pakistan</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">, </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia">
<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">Bangladesh</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">, </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">
Malaysia</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">, </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">Saudi
Arabia</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">, UAE, </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">Afghanistan
</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">, </span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">Iraq</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia">
<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;"> to name
some). Also obviously not enough Muslim women.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="blue" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">I am myself an Imaam and an international
speaker on Islam and so can say the above with authority. Please forward this
to Tree with my compliments. </span></font></p>
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<p><font color="blue" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">I am not on the OS List as it is too
busy and takes too much time, but as an OS practitioner and the only one
registered on the Worldwide List from this region (</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">India</span></font><font color="blue" face="Georgia"><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">
) I will
be happy to answer any questions.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="blue" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Georgia; color: blue;">Yawar</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="blue" face="Georgia" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Georgia; color: blue;"><a href="http://www.yawarbaig.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.yawarbaig.com
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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From:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a href="mailto:fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr" title="fundaoral@ttnet.net.tr" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
Funda Oral</a>
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<p><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">To:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> <a href="mailto:leadtrain@yahoo.com" title="leadtrain@yahoo.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
Mirza Yawar Baig</a>
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<p><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font>
<font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Friday, March 31,
2006</span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> </span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">6:14 PM</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></font></b><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"> Fw: Imams and
Rabbis --Gender/Countries / Participants</span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and turkey with 5 participants, michael confirmed to me and the list
later<br>
----- Original Message ----- <br>
From: "Michael M Pannwitz" <<a href="mailto:mmpanne@boscop.de" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mmpanne@boscop.de</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>><br>
Sent: </span></font>Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:48 PM<br>
Subject: Re: Imams and Rabbis --Gender/Countries / Participants<br>
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> Dear Tree,<br>
> ho gave you the info on the gender distribution.<br>
> Pretty clear, that one.<br>
><br>
> On other "distribution",<br>
> details gleaned from the contact list:<br>
> There were 39 countries present.<br>
> With one participant each from Quatar, Poland, Bosnia, Tanzania, Vatikan, <br>
> Ivory Coast, Norway, Singapore, Ukraine, Peru, Mali, Senegal, Denmark, <br>
> Estonia and Tadjikistan<br>
> With two participants each from Lebanon, Venezuela, Austria, Iran, Canada,
<br>
> Indonesia<br>
> With three participants each from Germany, Tunisia, Egypt,Kenya, Nigeria <br>
> With four: Jordan,<br>
> With five: Netherlands<br>
> With more than five: Russia (8), Belgium (8), Italy (9)<br>
> With more than 10: Marocco(10),Switzerland (11), Spain (15), UK (17), <br>
> Palestine (20)<br>
> With plenty: USA (40),France (53) and Israel (65).<br>
><br>
> That counts up to about 300 of which about 140 were Imams and Rabbis.<br>
> An amazing crowd and I wouldnt be surprised about an even larger number of
<br>
> Imams and Rabbis tje next time around with a much larger international mix
<br>
> yet.<br>
><br>
> Greetings from Berlin<br>
> mmp<br>
><br>
><br>
> Tree Fitzpatrick wrote:<br>
>> Thanks, Harrison, for your wonderful report. And thanks to HO,
Michael <br>
>> and his colleagues for doing this amazing work in the world. I
know, I <br>
>> know, the rabbis and imans also did this wonderful work so thanks for
all <br>
>> of them as well.<br>
>><br>
>> I hope my above paragraph conveyed my sincere, warm, enthusiasm and <br>
>> gratitude. Now I have a question. I do not ask this
question to <br>
>> collapse the field or to diminish the great, wonderful work but I am <br>
>> sitting here with a curiosity. What was the gender distribution
among <br>
>> the rabbis and imans? I guess there is no such thing as a female
iman? <br>
>> So I am wondering if all the rabbis were guys? By voicing my
curiosity, <br>
>> I do not wish to diminish the great achievements of this work.
Neither <br>
>> do I mean to imply that there 'should' have been female rabbis
present. <br>
>> I am just wondering so I'm just asking, unattached to the answer.<br>
>><br>
>> On 3/26/06, *Florian Fischer* <<a href="mailto:ff@begleitung-im-wandel.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ff@begleitung-im-wandel.com</a> <br>
>> <<a href="mailto:ff@begleitung-im-wandel.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mailto:ff@begleitung-im-wandel.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Am 26.03.2006 13:00 Uhr schrieb "Harrison
Owen" unter <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">hhowen@verizon.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:hhowen@verizon.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">mailto:hhowen@verizon.net</a>>>:<br>
>><br>
>> >..... and we all know what we think
of Americans! Especially <br>
>> Americans<br>
>> > who wore strange hats! (smile)<br>
>> ><br>
>> >....... Michael, the Crew, and I<br>
>> > felt that since a Stammtisch had
yet to be held in Seville, there<br>
>> was no<br>
>> > time like the present. A marvelous,
small, neighborhood gathering<br>
>> place<br>
>> > presented itself, well supplied
with good drink and outstanding<br>
>> Tabas (sp?).<br>
>><br>
>> >.....As I turned to walk on the
plane, I heard the Imam say loudly<br>
>> > to his fellows - "That is a
great man." Truly I felt embarrassed,<br>
>> but also<br>
>> > very good. And I think we did some
good.><br>
>> > So what have we learned?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Doubtless the lessons will continue
to surface, but a major one<br>
>> for me<br>
>> > might be: REALLY Be Prepared to Be
Surprised! .<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi, great man with the strange hat<br>
>> you alternative but native american<br>
>> your story tells again<br>
>> that really acting in open space<br>
>> is a hard job<br>
>> but sometimes OST is helpfull.<br>
>><br>
>> by the way<br>
>> the wonderfull andalusian practice<br>
>> to add small food to the drink<br>
>> is called<br>
>> la TAPA, las TAPAS --<br>
>> Vamos a tapar<br>
>> which is �to cover� the drink.<br>
>><br>
>> thanks a lot for your report.<br>
>><br>
>> florian<br>
>><br>
>> ---------------------------<br>
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