OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)
Gabriela Ender
gabriela.ender at OpenSpace-Online.com
Wed Jan 25 06:28:31 PST 2006
Dear Harrison,
No question, I agree: Each OSONOS, should be open for participants from all
over the world, also the smallest local OSONOS. And I agree too, that there
can be hundreds or thousands OSONOS´s gatherings .. small and large ones ..
at the same time or / and spread over the year ... and if not so many in the
present, in the future surely :)
Please help me to understand your point of view better. Do you mean the "old
tradition" of having one MAIN INTERNATIONAL OSONOS (No.XY) per year (like
last year in Halifax and this year in Moscow) is not any more so important
for you, because the number of OST people increases and increases, and
therefore the number of OSONOS events too? I read this a bit between the
lines, but perhaps I misunderstand it completely.
And regarding "Maine" ... I have to look at the map ... it sounds really
fantastic!
Warmly
Gabriela
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> Gabriela -- I totally agree INTERNATIONAL is most important. But then
> every
> OSONOS should be international, and for sure if we actually gather in
> Maine,
> you are invited!!! Great place, real treasure chest of bays and islands. I
> guess what I have been thinking is that since there are now more of us
> spaceniks there should be more times and spaces to gather in.
>
> Harrison
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> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gabriela
> Ender
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:46 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)
>
> Thanks, Harrison and colleagues!
>
> Whats about ...
> THE ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL OSONOS / year (No.)
>
> plus .. (if folks are organizing it)
>
> OSONOS continent / year
> OSONOS country / year
> OSONOS community / year
> OSONOS town / year
>
> OSONOS-ONLINE´s
>
> OSONOS wikis / blogs
>
> For me, the ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL is the most important Open Space
> Community
> Event. Even, if I have not the money or time to join, or if I feel not
> comfortable to travel so far and if I prefer to stay home on any reasons.
> I
> find the imagination very sad, that we all could begin more and more to
> focuse "only" on a meeting in our culture, in our own area. Our world need
> so much exchange between different cultures. I plead for keep the flag
> very
> high for THE ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL OSONOS, and of course to enable as much
> as
>
> possible other OSONOS´s local and around the globe.
>
> Warmly,
> Gabriela
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:29 PM
> Subject: OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)
>
>
>> Several days ago I sent a short note to some folks everybody will
>> recognize
>> as "regulars" on the LIST - all of which means they will need no
>> introduction. Since sending that note, an interesting conversation has
>> been
>> evolving and it seemed to me that others might wish to join in. And so I
>> have engaged in a little cutting and pasting - what follows is the major
>> pieces in order of their appearance. Which of course, is the reverse of
>> the
>> way things usually show up here. But reverse perversity being my nature -
>> what else would you expect. And it is all about OSONOS(s).
>> **************************************************************************
>>
>> Maybe I am getting cabin fever - been raining a lot, but I have been
>> thinking that it is about time to do an OSONOS in North America. The over
>> the water stuff is great, but I am a little worried that we have
>> neglected
>> the homefolks. Or something. Seems like folks were pretty well cued up
>> for
>> OSONOS/ International (Moscow, Israel, Istanbul ???) and I certainly
>> don't
>> want to compete with all of that. Myself, I won't make Moscow (Maine and
>> all), and who knows about the rest - but something closer to home would
>> work
>> well, I thought. I even went so far as to check out a conference center
>> right near Beautiful Camden, Maine. Nice place for 50-75 people and if we
>> were to do this in the middle/end of September (say 2007) we could have
>> the
>> whole thing for $500 a day with coffee and lunch for an additional $18
>> per
>> person - or (for 2 days) about $52 total fee. There are plenty of nearby
>> motels/B&Bs/hotels in virtually every price range - and at that time of
>> year, deals can be made. What do you think?
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Count me in. Anything to help Harrison cure a case of cabin fever -
>> because
>> I don't like any of the rest of you at all!
>>
>> (H- do you need folks to front any cash? I can help some.)
>>
>> xxoo
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> --
>> Ralph Copleman
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> thanks, harrison... and, you know, this is totally in line with what we
>> instigated last year in chicago and got repeated in texas this year,
>> under
>> the usa banner... because i was thinking that the international, and even
>> canadian osi, communities had left the usa crowd a bit behind. also, of
>> course, that was when our elections were coming up and we thought we
>> might
>> just do some good in the run-up to that. and that's just some of why i'd
>> be
>> all for this north american thing.
>>
>> i don't know where i am in sept 2006, much less 2007, but there's just
>> got
>> to be less commotion next year than this year, so chances are good i
>> could
>> swing it. are you saying 2007 would be in camden as a NAmer thing or
>> *the*
>> international thing coming home to camden? i still keep wondering about
>> the
>> idea i floated in australia, to have a couple of these things
>> simultaneously
>> and report all the notes into the same online place. seems like a great
>> way
>> to gather more local friends and pay less airfare expense. maybe
>> someday.
>> and camden in the meantime.
>>
>> M (herman)
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> OSONOS in Maine sounds great. There would be lots of interest from
>> Atlantic
>> Canada to Ontario, I'd bet. What would be the relationship to the OSI
>> USA
>> OSONOS events that have been going on?
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> Larry Peterson
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> larry et al...
>>
>> i'm not sure that the usa osonos events ever really were osi usa events,
>> larry. the first invitation was written by doug germann and i, though
>> i'm
>> not sure if doug was yet a board member when that happened. since then
>> he's
>> joined and i've left the board, with a long period of overlap, but i'm
>> not
>> sure that board affiliation is enough to make it an osi event. maybe
>> somebody else remembers otherwise, and i could certainly be wrong in my
>> own
>> memory.
>>
>> the events themselves, all two of them, were motivated by the same sense
>> harrison mentions, wondering if the homefront here hasn't been neglected.
>> at the time, we made it a usa event rather than north american because we
>> had elections coming up down here and we thought that osi canada was
>> already
>> doing much more up that way. so we thought we had some unique needs and
>> less attention being brought to them.
>>
>> i don't know if there is yet a third usa event planned for 2006. no
>> matter,
>> i'm sure it can easily slide right into the larger NA frame.
>>
>> Michael (herman)
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This sounds fun...but we should think about the question it begs about
>> the
>> whole OSonOS franchise. If we start making this a North American
>> meeting,
>> it would seem to me that either OSonOS would simply stay outside North
>> America (and be smaller) or that we may end up meeting in NA every year
>> and
>> once in a while that meeting also becomes OSonOS. Not a big discussion
>> or
>> anyhting, just imagining what might happen
>>
>> Anyway, Maine sounds like a wonderful idea, and I'll put it near the top
>> of
>> my "what might be possible this year" list.
>>
>> Cheers all,
>>
>> Chris (Corrigan)
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> thinking about the 'franchise' as chris puts it, i was thinking back in
>> marysville that it would be cool to have osonos happen simultaneously in
>> several locations, with all the notes posted to one place online.
>>
>> now that might or might not ever happen, but certainly it could be that
>> 'osonos' is a moveable but not annual feast, happening many places each
>> year. in order to be an 'osonos' gathering it would only have to be
>> announced as such and then we'd want to see the proceedings posted
>> somewhere
>> online, as well, so we could all peek in on the whole of it. as long as
>> we
>> can link all the invitations and proceedings together, which is easy, it
>> is
>> arguably one grand ongoing event.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Michael Sounds good to me. OSONOS anywhere, anytime, anybody wants it -
>> just
>> raise your hand and share the fun. And for sure online linkage must be
>> part
>> of the package. In the past, I have done multi-site, simultaneous OS's
>> and
>> it works like gang busters. No reason the whole OS community can't do the
>> same thing, and there might be some additional "pluses." For one thing it
>> could take away something of the "competitive edge" that occasionally
>> appears around THE ANNUAL OSONOS. It would also remove an aspect of the
>> Annual "do" which I personally find sometimes difficult and
>> uncomfortable -
>> namely the decision as the where next to go. Last year in Halifax we
>> spent
>> some time on this one. On balance I would guess that it was time well
>> spent
>> in that we learned a lot about the capacity of that particular body of
>> folks
>> to make an informed and difficult decision. However, the thought that the
>> assembled crew was making a decision for the "community as a whole" was a
>> stretch I thought. We were but a tiny part of that community, and I would
>> bet that less than 50% of those present in Halifax will show up in
>> Moscow -
>> and of course they will be replaced by an equal or larger number of the
>> "right" people who care to come. In a way we have inadvertently converted
>> the annual OSONOS into a zero sum game with winners and losers dividing
>> up
>
>> a
>> finite pie. But the pie (spaceniks around the world) seems to be pretty
>> much
>> infinite. So why go through the agony (if it was that) if you don't have
>> to? Just OSONOS anywhere, anytime you care to - and those who care will
>> come. Could take us to a whole new (win/win) level! And I just made
>> OSONOS
>> into a verb!
>>
>> OSONOS declined: --
>>
>> OSONOS
>> OSONUS
>> OSONUU
>> OSONME
>> OSON. . .
>>
>> And by the way - seems to me this discussion has become pretty juicy.
>> Should
>> it be moved over to OSLIST?
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>>
>>
> ***************************************************************************
>>
>> There you have it folks - perhaps a little more than you wanted, but does
>> it
>> shake any trees, ring any bells?
>>
>> ho
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
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>From Wed Jan 25 10:51:20 2006
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Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:51:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: Healthy Communities (was Keepin' Busy)
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Gloria for sure -- don't hide your light under a basket, or off line either.
I am sure there are lots of other folks who would like to know. If the
material is humongous, a URL will do.
Harrison
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Diane
Brandon
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:53 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Healthy Communities (was Keepin' Busy)
Gloria, I'm interested too, in what you've written about below, if you
don't mind including me in your off-line information sharing.
I coordinate a "healthy community coalition" in a 4-town region in
Maine, and work on state level HCC processes, so I would like to know
more about the Canadian "coalition/network across non-profit
sub-sectors with a focus on 'building healthy communities.'" I'm hoping
to make a state meeting in Vermont next week, to look at how we do
regional "healthy communities" work in VT/NH/ME, and what learning
circles we might engage in.
I'll rename this thread, in case it continues. The use of OS in broad
regional/community building/linking initiatives seems a bit different
to me than its use in more clearly defined organizations. When there is
a group of people employed by one incorporated organization, and a
Board of Directors for the corporation, a certain amount of structure
and planning (convergence) exists naturally. But when people who live
in a region, who are interested in improving "quality of life" (that
vague catch-all term!), get together, and there may be many community
organizations involved (healthy communities, sustainable communities,
safe communities, and all the sector networks), providing structure for
the work after the OS (or other type of process) is a challenge. (A
link to a good paper about healthy communities work in the US is
www.ncl.org/publications/ncr/92-2/Wolff92-2.pdf and also see
http://www.ncl.org/publications/email_news/2002/05/kellogg.html ).
I'd like to learn more about OS being used in this sort of multi-sector
community-based work.
Diane Brandon
Eliot, Maine
Maine Network of Healthy Communities: www.thehcnetwork.org
KEYS Region: www.keysregion.org
<<As a result, they are now pursuing a territorial coalition/network
across non-profit sub-sectors with a focus on "building healthy
communities." This was determined to be the focus that would
potentially include the largest group of non-profits organizations
possible.
>>
<< I could send some docs with more description and/or an article I
wrote which was published in the National Storytelling Network's
Storytelling in Organizations electronic newsletter...>>
On Jan 24, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Glory Ressler wrote:
> Hi Eric:
> Not sure what to say... first ever national school on leadership for
> non-profit sector.
> Held in BC, Alberta, Northwest Territories. Ontario, Quebec and Nova
> Scotia
> Arising out of the Voluntary Sector Initiative's National Learning
> Initiative... addressing identified needs and challenges to leadership
> in the sector...
>
> I can share more but, perhaps, it's best done by individual requests
> rather than whole listserv communications?
> For example, I could send some docs with more description and/or an
> article I wrote which was published in the National Storytelling
> Network's Storytelling in Organizations electronic newsletter...
>
> Let me know what you want / need and I'll do my best to provide it!
>
> Glory :-)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Lilius"
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> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:20 AM
> Subject: Re: Keepin' Busy
>
>
>> Hi Glory,
>> Could you write more about this leadership school for the non profit
>> sector?
>> Eric
>>
>> Glory Ressler wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Doug!
>>> Your appreciation (keep it comin' bro - lol) stimulated me into
>>> remembering another meaningful story about OS/OST...
>>>
>>> In my work developing and delivering a pan-Canadian (schools held
>>> across the country) leadership school for the non-profit sector,
>>> Open Space Technology was extensively used in conjunction with story
>>> circles, which we called 'Great Conversations'.
>>>
>>> One result was that leaders participating from the Canadian far
>>> north began to see how their personal and organizational visions
>>> connected to each other and to the larger community. As a result,
>>> they are now pursuing a territorial coalition/network across
>>> non-profit sub-sectors with a focus on "building healthy
>>> communities." This was determined to be the focus that would
>>> potentially include the largest group of non-profits organizations
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> This group also had a breakthrough concerning challenges around
>>> collaborating with the aboriginal peoples of the area (which has
>>> been historically unsuccessful - think silos). They came to realize
>>> that they needed to listen more to the aboriginal stories before
>>> offering their own - and to learn from their experience rather than
>>> assume that had something to teach.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>From Wed Jan 25 11:18:20 2006
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Gabriela said: "Please help me to understand your point of view better. Do
you mean the "old tradition" of having one MAIN INTERNATIONAL OSONOS (No.XY)
per year (like last year in Halifax and this year in Moscow) is not any more
so important for you, because the number of OST people increases and
increases, and therefore the number of OSONOS events too? I read this a bit
between the lines, but perhaps I misunderstand it completely."
I was certainly NOT thinking about some sort of "either/or" -- but very much
a both/and. I suppose that at a broader level I was sensing a need to open
some more space. The annual International OSONOS has certainly made its
contribution -- a definite improvement from the days when such a thing could
only happen in the US of A, or immediately to the North in Canada. We broke
the mold and wonderful things have happened, and continue to happen. I was
just thinking that it may be time to break the mold again. At most of the
recent OSONOS's we have had in the neighborhood of 80-100 participants.
Definitely the right people showing up to create a rich and inspiring
experience. And thanks to the Access Queen, and others of similar
persuasion, barriers were removed or reduced so that more people could
attend. That said, 100 participants is only 20% of the people here on OSLIST
and probably .001% of the total number of everybody using Open Space. This
isn't about getting "everybody" to come, but it is about making nutrient
open space/times available to people who may not have the inclination or
resources to travel long distances. For example, I am working with a group
of students at the American University/NTL Masters Program here in
Washington. They are fascinated by Open Space but for the most part do not
have the history or experience (to say nothing of resources) which might
suck them to Moscow this year. But they might just make it up the coast to
Maine -- or somewhere even closer. These are not total "nubbies" so offering
a sort of training program is neither necessary nor my proposal. We ran into
trouble with that once before and it was very uncomfortable and not to be
done again, I think. OSONOS is primarily for those who have been there and
done that (OS) -- and are now ready to enhance their skills and double their
pleasure. I think this can be done best in the company of similar sorts of
folks at all levels of their OS journey. Bottom line -- More Spaces and
Places.
Harrison
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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gabriela
Ender
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 9:29 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)
Dear Harrison,
No question, I agree: Each OSONOS, should be open for participants from all
over the world, also the smallest local OSONOS. And I agree too, that there
can be hundreds or thousands OSONOS´s gatherings .. small and large ones ..
at the same time or / and spread over the year ... and if not so many in the
present, in the future surely :)
Please help me to understand your point of view better. Do you mean the "old
tradition" of having one MAIN INTERNATIONAL OSONOS (No.XY) per year (like
last year in Halifax and this year in Moscow) is not any more so important
for you, because the number of OST people increases and increases, and
therefore the number of OSONOS events too? I read this a bit between the
lines, but perhaps I misunderstand it completely.
And regarding "Maine" ... I have to look at the map ... it sounds really
fantastic!
Warmly
Gabriela
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)
> Gabriela -- I totally agree INTERNATIONAL is most important. But then
> every
> OSONOS should be international, and for sure if we actually gather in
> Maine,
> you are invited!!! Great place, real treasure chest of bays and islands. I
> guess what I have been thinking is that since there are now more of us
> spaceniks there should be more times and spaces to gather in.
>
> Harrison
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Drive
> Potomac, Maryland 20854
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Gabriela
> Ender
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:46 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)
>
> Thanks, Harrison and colleagues!
>
> Whats about ...
> THE ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL OSONOS / year (No.)
>
> plus .. (if folks are organizing it)
>
> OSONOS continent / year
> OSONOS country / year
> OSONOS community / year
> OSONOS town / year
>
> OSONOS-ONLINE´s
>
> OSONOS wikis / blogs
>
> For me, the ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL is the most important Open Space
> Community
> Event. Even, if I have not the money or time to join, or if I feel not
> comfortable to travel so far and if I prefer to stay home on any reasons.
> I
> find the imagination very sad, that we all could begin more and more to
> focuse "only" on a meeting in our culture, in our own area. Our world need
> so much exchange between different cultures. I plead for keep the flag
> very
> high for THE ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL OSONOS, and of course to enable as much
> as
>
> possible other OSONOS´s local and around the globe.
>
> Warmly,
> Gabriela
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at verizon.net>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:29 PM
> Subject: OSONOS Hither and Yon (a little on the long side)
>
>
>> Several days ago I sent a short note to some folks everybody will
>> recognize
>> as "regulars" on the LIST - all of which means they will need no
>> introduction. Since sending that note, an interesting conversation has
>> been
>> evolving and it seemed to me that others might wish to join in. And so I
>> have engaged in a little cutting and pasting - what follows is the major
>> pieces in order of their appearance. Which of course, is the reverse of
>> the
>> way things usually show up here. But reverse perversity being my nature -
>> what else would you expect. And it is all about OSONOS(s).
>>
**************************************************************************
>>
>> Maybe I am getting cabin fever - been raining a lot, but I have been
>> thinking that it is about time to do an OSONOS in North America. The over
>> the water stuff is great, but I am a little worried that we have
>> neglected
>> the homefolks. Or something. Seems like folks were pretty well cued up
>> for
>> OSONOS/ International (Moscow, Israel, Istanbul ???) and I certainly
>> don't
>> want to compete with all of that. Myself, I won't make Moscow (Maine and
>> all), and who knows about the rest - but something closer to home would
>> work
>> well, I thought. I even went so far as to check out a conference center
>> right near Beautiful Camden, Maine. Nice place for 50-75 people and if we
>> were to do this in the middle/end of September (say 2007) we could have
>> the
>> whole thing for $500 a day with coffee and lunch for an additional $18
>> per
>> person - or (for 2 days) about $52 total fee. There are plenty of nearby
>> motels/B&Bs/hotels in virtually every price range - and at that time of
>> year, deals can be made. What do you think?
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> Count me in. Anything to help Harrison cure a case of cabin fever -
>> because
>> I don't like any of the rest of you at all!
>>
>> (H- do you need folks to front any cash? I can help some.)
>>
>> xxoo
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> --
>> Ralph Copleman
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> thanks, harrison... and, you know, this is totally in line with what we
>> instigated last year in chicago and got repeated in texas this year,
>> under
>> the usa banner... because i was thinking that the international, and even
>> canadian osi, communities had left the usa crowd a bit behind. also, of
>> course, that was when our elections were coming up and we thought we
>> might
>> just do some good in the run-up to that. and that's just some of why i'd
>> be
>> all for this north american thing.
>>
>> i don't know where i am in sept 2006, much less 2007, but there's just
>> got
>> to be less commotion next year than this year, so chances are good i
>> could
>> swing it. are you saying 2007 would be in camden as a NAmer thing or
>> *the*
>> international thing coming home to camden? i still keep wondering about
>> the
>> idea i floated in australia, to have a couple of these things
>> simultaneously
>> and report all the notes into the same online place. seems like a great
>> way
>> to gather more local friends and pay less airfare expense. maybe
>> someday.
>> and camden in the meantime.
>>
>> M (herman)
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> OSONOS in Maine sounds great. There would be lots of interest from
>> Atlantic
>> Canada to Ontario, I'd bet. What would be the relationship to the OSI
>> USA
>> OSONOS events that have been going on?
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> Larry Peterson
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> larry et al...
>>
>> i'm not sure that the usa osonos events ever really were osi usa events,
>> larry. the first invitation was written by doug germann and i, though
>> i'm
>> not sure if doug was yet a board member when that happened. since then
>> he's
>> joined and i've left the board, with a long period of overlap, but i'm
>> not
>> sure that board affiliation is enough to make it an osi event. maybe
>> somebody else remembers otherwise, and i could certainly be wrong in my
>> own
>> memory.
>>
>> the events themselves, all two of them, were motivated by the same sense
>> harrison mentions, wondering if the homefront here hasn't been neglected.
>> at the time, we made it a usa event rather than north american because we
>> had elections coming up down here and we thought that osi canada was
>> already
>> doing much more up that way. so we thought we had some unique needs and
>> less attention being brought to them.
>>
>> i don't know if there is yet a third usa event planned for 2006. no
>> matter,
>> i'm sure it can easily slide right into the larger NA frame.
>>
>> Michael (herman)
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------
>>
>> This sounds fun...but we should think about the question it begs about
>> the
>> whole OSonOS franchise. If we start making this a North American
>> meeting,
>> it would seem to me that either OSonOS would simply stay outside North
>> America (and be smaller) or that we may end up meeting in NA every year
>> and
>> once in a while that meeting also becomes OSonOS. Not a big discussion
>> or
>> anyhting, just imagining what might happen
>>
>> Anyway, Maine sounds like a wonderful idea, and I'll put it near the top
>> of
>> my "what might be possible this year" list.
>>
>> Cheers all,
>>
>> Chris (Corrigan)
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>>
>> thinking about the 'franchise' as chris puts it, i was thinking back in
>> marysville that it would be cool to have osonos happen simultaneously in
>> several locations, with all the notes posted to one place online.
>>
>> now that might or might not ever happen, but certainly it could be that
>> 'osonos' is a moveable but not annual feast, happening many places each
>> year. in order to be an 'osonos' gathering it would only have to be
>> announced as such and then we'd want to see the proceedings posted
>> somewhere
>> online, as well, so we could all peek in on the whole of it. as long as
>> we
>> can link all the invitations and proceedings together, which is easy, it
>> is
>> arguably one grand ongoing event.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Michael Sounds good to me. OSONOS anywhere, anytime, anybody wants it -
>> just
>> raise your hand and share the fun. And for sure online linkage must be
>> part
>> of the package. In the past, I have done multi-site, simultaneous OS's
>> and
>> it works like gang busters. No reason the whole OS community can't do the
>> same thing, and there might be some additional "pluses." For one thing it
>> could take away something of the "competitive edge" that occasionally
>> appears around THE ANNUAL OSONOS. It would also remove an aspect of the
>> Annual "do" which I personally find sometimes difficult and
>> uncomfortable -
>> namely the decision as the where next to go. Last year in Halifax we
>> spent
>> some time on this one. On balance I would guess that it was time well
>> spent
>> in that we learned a lot about the capacity of that particular body of
>> folks
>> to make an informed and difficult decision. However, the thought that the
>> assembled crew was making a decision for the "community as a whole" was a
>> stretch I thought. We were but a tiny part of that community, and I would
>> bet that less than 50% of those present in Halifax will show up in
>> Moscow -
>> and of course they will be replaced by an equal or larger number of the
>> "right" people who care to come. In a way we have inadvertently converted
>> the annual OSONOS into a zero sum game with winners and losers dividing
>> up
>
>> a
>> finite pie. But the pie (spaceniks around the world) seems to be pretty
>> much
>> infinite. So why go through the agony (if it was that) if you don't have
>> to? Just OSONOS anywhere, anytime you care to - and those who care will
>> come. Could take us to a whole new (win/win) level! And I just made
>> OSONOS
>> into a verb!
>>
>> OSONOS declined: --
>>
>> OSONOS
>> OSONUS
>> OSONUU
>> OSONME
>> OSON. . .
>>
>> And by the way - seems to me this discussion has become pretty juicy.
>> Should
>> it be moved over to OSLIST?
>>
>> Harrison
>>
>>
>>
>
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>>
>> There you have it folks - perhaps a little more than you wanted, but does
>> it
>> shake any trees, ring any bells?
>>
>> ho
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Harrison Owen
>> 7808 River Falls Drive
>> Potomac, Maryland 20854
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