SV: SV: evolving agendas

Thomas Herrmann thomas at openspaceconsulting.com
Wed Feb 15 15:05:14 PST 2006


Hi Gerard
Good to see you, virtually anyway! I almost always use the re-opening
process which I really like. It´s quite powerful. Last week I facilitated a
2-day OS where 8 topics where chosen in the re-opening process. It becomes
so very obvious who is responsible and people take responsibility - or not -
and whatever...

By the way, it seems private businesses are waking up to OS over here. Last
weeks two large corporation have shown interest quite seriously! Hmmm.
Warmest regards & Good Night
Thomas (wind and rain here too)

> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]För Gerard Muller
> Skickat: den 15 februari 2006 22:46
> Till: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Ämne: Re: SV: evolving agendas
>
>
> I also as a rule have the whole agenda made on day I, providing an
> opportunity thereafter to add/change/remove.
> However if I only have one and a half day, (or a lunch-to lunch
> meeting), I only ask for topics for day one on the first day,
> and then on day 2 ask to add the most important topics that are missing
> (which as a rule produces a couple, sometimes
> topics which were discusssed but not under that title.
>
> I also find the method Michael Herman once suggested a good one, asking
> participants to post those topics they would
> like to take forward.
>
> Greetings from wind and rain,
>
>
>
>
> Gerard Muller
> Open Space Institute Denmark
> Phone: (+45) 21269621
> Mail: gm at openspace.dk
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Thomas Herrmann wrote:
>
> > My experience is that not many or no new topics are raised on the
> > second day (I have always invited participants to post for both days
> > in multi-day events). Sometimes, when it was asked for, I´ve read what
> > topics are on the newswall.
> > How do you invite the morning of the second day? I combine it with
> > morning news without saying too much.
> > Best regards
> > Thomas
> >> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> >> Från: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]För Harrison Owen
> >> Skickat: den 15 februari 2006 14:06
> >> Till: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >> Ämne: Re: evolving agendas
> >>
> >> I always invite people to post issues for the duration of the OS all
> >> on the first day – and then as Tree says, opportunity is briefly
> >> provided on the 2nd morning to add, change, or remove issues. The
> >> reason I think getting the whole thing up on the first day is useful
> >> is that way everybody gets a good picture of the real estate, even if
> >> it is going to change. If you post issues on a day by day basis, you
> >> tend to get a whole mess on the first day and much less on the
> >> second. Could lead to a frantic first day and a boring second.
> >>  
> >> Harrison
> >>  
> >>
> >> Harrison Owen
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> >> Tree Fitzpatrick
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:28 AM
> >> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: evolving agendas
> >>  
> >>
> >> During a multi-day open space, there is a morning circle on each
> >> successive day, Frank.  The OS facilitator reviews the principles and
> >> the law and opens the marketplace anew each morning.  At that point,
> >> people can create an entirely new agenda or they can add new
> >> topics/sessions.  Sometimes people decide to cancel a session they
> >> had posted previously on  or they decide to continue sessions that
> >> were juicy from the first day.  It's open space.
> >>
> >> You are right, Frank, conversations that happen on the first day
> >> could -- and often do -- alter what people think is important to talk
> >> about on following days.
> >> On 2/14/06, Frank Deitle <commoikos at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> My friend and I were just discussing the merrits of creating the
> >> agenda on a day by day basis vs creating the whole agenda for an
> >> event on the first day. The idea was that the conversations that
> >> happen on the first day could radically alter what people think is
> >> important to talk about on following days. Any thoughts or
> >> experiences?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Frank Deitle
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> >> Warmly,
> >> Tree Fitzpatrick
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>From  Wed Feb 15 15:12:33 2006
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:12:33 -0800
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From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
Subject: Re: evolving agendas
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Hi, Frank -

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Frank asked about the merits of recreating the agenda for each day of an =
OS
versus creating the whole agenda on the first day.

=20

I have tried this once or twice.I suspect it was more about me than =
about
them.  Me wanting them to go deeper.  Very about me, no?

=20

At the 2002 Practice of Peace conference I convened, Day 1's theme was=20

=20

Practicing    Sustaining

=20

P e a c e

=20

Nourishing   Actualizing

=20

=20

And I observed so many participants were talking about 'stuff out there' =
-
like George Bush, like other countries.  And I wanted them to bring it
closer to home and self.

=20

So for Day 2, after a conversation with the fabulous BJ Peters, I made =
this
the theme:

=20

=20

=20

     Contributing to a peaceful and harmonious

=20

     w o r k p l a c e     l i f e    c o m m u n i t y

=20

What are my opportunities?  What are my issues?

=20

=20

And it's true, on Day 2 the conference participants spoke more from and
about their own world and what they could do for peace.

=20

However, having had more experience since then, I have observed that Day =
1
people often talk about what's out there, and Day 2 they almost always
'bring it home' to self and solutions.  It's that overnight percolation
thing, and that 'naming one's experience and truly being heard' thing.  =
So I
really don't have to do anything to 'help' them, I just have to breathe.
And get over myself.

=20

As others have mentioned, in a more-than-one-day OS there is a 30
minute-or-less Evening News at the end of Day 1 (announcements,
housekeeping, where we will be meeting for dinner, sleep well, see you =
in
the morning) and a 30-minute-or-less Morning News at the beginning of =
Day 2,
along with an invitation to announce any "Late-Breaking Sessions.  Then
we're 'off and running' again.

=20

As Harrison has observed - I find that in some events there are plenty =
of
Late-Breaking Sessions, in others there are just one or two, but either =
way,
people still have a full rich day (or whatever) of discussions to =
explore.
And as Ms. Tree confirmed - yes, new ideas happen -- during dinner, as =
one
is taking an evening walk, in one's morning shower, in one's dreams, =
eating
one's morning muffin - and these can radically alter someone's idea of =
what
they want to talk about the next day.  And new theme or no, my messing =
with
it or no, even if they post a new topic or no, they talk about it and =
great
things happen.

=20

Peace back atcha, and I am glad you are in the world, Frank,

=20

Lisa

=20

___________________________

L i s a   H e f t

Consultant, Facilitator, Educator

O p e n i n g  S p a c e

Berkeley, California, USA

 <mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net> lisaheft at openingspace.net

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Frank –</span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>Frank =
asked
about the merits of recreating the agenda for each day of an OS versus =
creating
the whole agenda on the first day.</span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>I have =
tried
this once or twice…I suspect it was more about me than about =
them.  Me
wanting them to go deeper.  Very about me, no?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>At the =
2002
Practice of Peace conference I convened, Day 1’s theme was =
</span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Practicing    =
Sustaining</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:.5in'><b><font size=3D2
color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
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color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>P e a c e</span></font></b></p>

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color=3Dblue
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
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color:blue;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

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color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Nourishing   =
Actualizing</span></font></b></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>And I =
observed
so many participants were talking about ‘stuff out there’ =
–
like George Bush, like other countries.  And I wanted them to bring =
it
closer to home and self.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>So for =
Day 2,
after a conversation with the fabulous BJ Peters, I made this the =
theme:</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblack
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:black'>     </span></font><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>Contributing to a peaceful and =
harmonious</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:blue;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>     w o r k p l a c
e     l i f e    c o m m u n i t =
y</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:blue;font-weight:bold'> </span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-indent:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue
face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";
color:blue;font-weight:bold'>What are my opportunities?  What are =
my
issues?</span></font></b></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>And =
it’s
true, on Day 2 the conference participants spoke more from and about =
their own
world and what they could do for peace.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'>However, having
had more experience since then, I have observed that Day 1 people =
<i><span
style=3D'font-style:italic'>often</span></i> talk about what’s out =
there,
and Day 2 they almost always ‘bring it home’ to self and
solutions.  It’s that overnight percolation thing, and that =
‘naming
one’s experience and truly being heard’ thing.  So I =
really
don’t have to do anything to ‘help’ them, I just have =
to
breathe.  And get over myself.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>As =
others have
mentioned, in a more-than-one-day OS there is a 30 minute-or-less =
Evening News
at the end of Day 1 (announcements, housekeeping, where we will be =
meeting for
dinner, sleep well, see you in the morning) and a 30-minute-or-less =
Morning
News at the beginning of Day 2, along with an invitation to announce any =
“Late-Breaking
Sessions.  Then we’re ‘off and running’ =
again.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>As =
Harrison has
observed – I find that in some events there are plenty of =
Late-Breaking
Sessions, in others there are just one or two, but either way, people =
still
have a full rich day (or whatever) of discussions to explore.  And =
as Ms.
Tree confirmed – yes, new ideas happen -- during dinner, as one is =
taking
an evening walk, in one’s morning shower, in one’s dreams, =
eating
one’s morning muffin – and these can radically alter =
someone’s
idea of what they want to talk about the next day.  And new theme =
or no,
my messing with it or no, even if they post a new topic or no, they talk =
about
it and great things happen.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'>Peace =
back atcha,
and I am glad you are in the world, Frank,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'> </span></font></p>

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>From  Wed Feb 15 15:50:42 2006
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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:50:42 -0800
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From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
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(Just to clarify - I had in those experiments I mentioned created a new
theme *and* a clean agenda wall for each day.  I have also experimented =
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a new agenda wall for each day [same theme] and while I don't think it =
will
break anything to do that, I don't find that it's necessary or brings
anything different to the mix.)

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