Worldwork sydney

Thu Feb 23 08:47:16 PST 2006

Speaking of Arny Mindell

... i just finalised my dates so i can go to worldwork in sydney this  
april its a long journey but by amazing coincidence we got a gig at  
sydney opera hous ethe following week... Will any of you guy's be there?

phelim
On 23 Feb 2006, at 16:23, Brendan McKeague wrote:

> thanks for the kick-start Andrew - t'was good to meet you at  
> OSonOSinOZ - and the 'being happy with not-knowing' insight reminds  
> me of Arnie Mindell's commentary (Sitting In the Fire) on the  
> different flavours between Leaders and Elders
>
> "The leader knows; the elder learns.
> The leader tries to act; the elder lets things be.
> The leader needs a strategy; the elder studies the moment.
> The leader follows a plan; the elder honors the direction of a  
> mysterious and unknown river."
>
> Cheers
> Brendan
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>From  Thu Feb 23 12:12:12 2006
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Jennifer wrote: I really like the idea of asking for a show of hands for how
many people are interested in a topic so that the convenor can pick the
appropriate-sized room.  Have other people tried this?

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This is a nice idea, but with groups of any size (100+) it becomes counter
productive, if not impossible. Imagine the scene with our current record
holder of 2108 participants if one were to stop for a hand count for 236
discussion groups. We'd still be doing the handcount! But not to worry, it
always seems to work out, and more to the point, finding a reasonable sized
space for those who show up is part and parcel of the responsibility of the
convener. To help them out a bit I always try and have the "main room" free
of groups -- which provides an easy-access space for large groups. Remember:
Think of one more thing NOT to do! And besides, the people will take care of
it all by themselves. At least they always have.

Harrison  

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On 2/22/06 5:59 AM, "john engle" <englejohn at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Here's the link:
> 
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http://news.com.com/MashupCamp-a+new+kind+of+get-together/2100-1032_3-604137
7.
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I really like the idea of asking for a show of hands for how many people are
interested in a topic so that the convenor can pick the appropriate-sized
room.  Have other people tried this?

Jennifer Hurley
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I always find 1.5 hr slots to be comfortable. Less will surely work, and
more seems to be too much. Can't say this is "right" - but it works for =
me.

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In a two day open space events, are 1.5 hour time-slots preferable to 1 =
hour
slots?=20
Let me know the 'right' answer please.... or maybe not!

Brendan

At 10:49 PM 23/02/2006, you wrote:

Andrew:
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I've also seen, on two occasions, a breakout group of about 100 (in a =
5-600
person event.)   These groups seem to get along just fine even if it was =
a
little hard for the outliers to hear.  They both went for 1.5 hours and =
a
bit beyond with some, but not a lot, of attrition.
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We "know" that the ideal group discussion is with 8-12 people (from the
small group evidence).  We know, from "Wisdom of Crowds" that hundreds =
or
thousands in aggregated decision making do much better than the one =
"expert"
(given the evidence).  We really don't "know" how many people can be =
held
together in "collective focus" - consciously or unconsciously.  100 in a
break out?  2000 in a OS event.  A country? ????  Being happy with
not-knowing allows for wonderful surprises.
=20
OSonOSinOZ sounds like it was a great stimulus for thinking!
=20
Larry
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Associates in Transformation
Toronto, ON, Canada
416.653.4829
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In a two day open space events, are 1.5 hour
time-slots preferable to 1 hour slots? 
Let me know the 'right' answer please.... or maybe not! 
 
Brendan 
 
 
At 10:49 PM 23/02/2006, you wrote:

Andrew: 
  
I’ve also seen, on two occasions, a breakout group of about 100 =
(in a
5-600 person event.)   These groups seem to get along just =
fine even
if it was a little hard for the outliers to hear.  They both went =
for 1.5
hours and a bit beyond with some, but not a lot, of attrition. 
  
We “know” that the ideal group discussion is with 8-12 =
people (from
the small group evidence).  We know, from “Wisdom of =
Crowds”
that hundreds or thousands in aggregated decision making do much better =
than
the one “expert” (given the evidence).  We really =
don’t
“know” how many people can be held together in =
“collective
focus” – consciously or unconsciously.  100 in a break
out?  2000 in a OS event.  A country? ????  Being happy =
with
not-knowing allows for wonderful surprises. 
  
OSonOSinOZ sounds like it was a great stimulus for thinking! 
  
Larry 
  
Larry =
Peterson 
Associates in Transformation 
Toronto, ON, Canada 
416.653.4829 
  
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