AW: AW: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space

Sat Aug 26 13:53:19 PDT 2006

thanks, reinhard.  i'll have another look at your site.  m

On 8/26/06, Visuelle Protokolle <mail at visuelle-protokolle.de> wrote:
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> yes, herman, what we like to capture, and sometimes succeed, is energy. And
> you know it emmediately, and the group sees it immediately, if that happens.
>
> working with small cards is what we do in OS.
>
> the starting vocabulary, mmmmh.... i am no friend of showing my stile to
> others before they start drawing. we do it on templates, so they look as if
> already someone has started and they can just continue, but there we use
> very reduced shapes, people withoput faces ...    no , i would not show
> examples of others.
>
> what i propose is to shift the view to the technique of listening. listening
> is maybe 80 % of our work. if someone really listens, he is out of the mind
> space of "i cannot draw... ".or "i want to reach this result...."
>
> and the drawings can be VERY simple! there are british colleagues, who work
> only in black and white , with figures like of a five year old child, and it
> works!
>
> Concerning 20 standard pictures - well i checked how often we repeat a
> certain picture for the same (????) situation - and it was below 10 %. You
> listen, see the person, feel him, can his words be trusted? you see the body
> language, smell him, feel the context, and all that nearly never leeds to
> the same image.
>
> the KuS-model - well, KuS is Kuchenmüller und Stifel. And the ancestors of
> it are the medicine wheels, Angeles Arrien, Harrison Owen, Birgitt Williams.
> you can see it in our website, right at the beginning, together with some
> texts and images.
>
> it has seven steps, and can be used in many ways. recently i used it for
> coaching a lady searching for a new professional orientation. she drew, i
> drew, we used monologes, dialoges, interview, a metaphorical sculpture, ...
>
> Or i used it for a new orientation of the leaders of Milano Metropoli and
> their organisation, where we went through the 7 steps in 2 days.
>
> reinhard
>
> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
> Kuchenmüller & Stifel
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>
> tel +39-0566-88 929
> www.visuelle-protokolle.de
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> Von: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] Im Auftrag von Michael
> Herman
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. August 2006 15:40
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> An: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space
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> thank you, reinhard.  what caught me in birgitt's last message is twice, i
> think, saying about "capturing".  this word is important to me, because of
> the shape it describes.  i thnk first in shapes and textures and flows, and
> only later in pictures and finally words.  but i'm always working to make
> the words describe accurately the shapes that are my first thoughts and
> experiences.  so capture really fits for me, and lets me ask "what is being
> captured" and for me that is some energy of the group.
>
> now when i read your list, thanks for that, the part i really like is where
> you work with small cards, not the big sheets... you're in with people, not
> removed... and you talk about asking for corrections and additions.  for me,
> it's easy to imagine that the energy "captured" in such pictures is not
> stored up in some giant mural castle that any one individual participant
> would have trouble adding to or changing.  or deleting something... "this
> card is not right" where with a big wall, they could not say "this does not
> fit."  so the small card capturing seems more accessible and change-able and
> ultimately then own-able by the particpants.
>
> i can imagine bringing some of these materials, depending on circumstances
> and purposes and client views and such, to make this sort of documentation
> table next to the table where text documenting happens... one big place of
> capturing (though it flies a bit in the face of 'one more thing to not do'
> which is a person favorite rule of mine, because i like to travel light!)
> ...but if i did this, the materials are easy enough... and it seems that
> there is one thing missing.  it seems that you have a bit of starting
> vocabulary, a foundational set of images, maybe?
>
> your felt marker sketches that you'd shared for the ost: user's non-guide
> for instance, have in them some similarities, a scope, a scale, a technique.
>  once a dozen of these are up on the wall, one can more easily imagine using
> similar, if more tentative and crude renditions of same, to capture other
> things.  one could imitate and eventually expand the alphabet you use, the
> style of simple capturing.  do you suppose that there is some set of 10-20
> standard images that could be shared with the materials, maybe examples of
> several different 'alphabets' that you use, that would make these languages
> accessible to those who would dare to sketch or paint something?  i'm
> intrigued by your mention of foundational images... or maybe i've
> misunderstood?  if nothing else, how do we learn more about KuS 7-step
> process?
>
> michael
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> On 8/25/06, Visuelle Protokolle <mail at visuelle-protokolle.de> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > insider, outsider, addendum, we can play with definitions ad infinitum.
> important for me, and i feel likewise for you, is not a role we play, but
> the reponsibility we feel to be there for the people. To do, to be what
> fits, as you say.
> >
> > If i see, that i can be of help for someone, i always jump. i don't care
> then for selforganization, i simply go. or draw. For me it is fine, that you
> and me are different.
> >
> > For me Open Space has some rules, which are made by humans, good ones, but
> i don't feel responsible for these rules. As i understood, Harrison when he
> definded those rules was influenced by visiting  african tribes organizing
> big festivals without organizing. If he had been visiting westafrican tribes
> with an old tradition of documenting their meeting in drawings (what i would
> always prefer to the external visual person!!!), maybe he would have defined
> that as principle number five, or he might have seen them dancing at the end
> and could have defined a law of two feet dancing.
> >
> > I like of course, what Birgitt is writing in her parallel mail. So i am
> glad, that we had this dialogue, and am open to continue it ore leave it
> like that, because the important things have been said. I would rather draw
> what i feel, but this listserve is textbased.
> >
> > You ask, how we work.
> >
> > A. We accompany meetings and conferences and seminars of all kind and
> mirror them in drawings. we work with little formats, not like most of our
> American colleagues, who work on big wallpapers. So we can sit inbeteen the
> people and hear, see, feel what is going on. We use the 'Visual Language', a
> combination of images and words. we work with feltpens on cards, which we
> hang in rows of 6 to form a picture wall, where everybody can see, what was
> said, and also ask for corrections and additions. At the end mostly we
> transform these images into a slideshow of some minutes to let the day flow
> by, because almost everybody has forgotten more than 50 % of what he heard,
> saw and did during a day.
> >
> > We would very much like a visual culture, where this service is fulfilled
> by some people who like that, and who got some training (mainly to forget
> their mind and prefixed ideas of what they should draw). Inbetween we go and
> do it.
> >
> > B. We  let people draw themselves. Either on templates, which we prepare
> with the client, and put an important question on it wich they answer with
> their drawings. We do that in groups of 8, and follow some rules which make
> people forget that they cannot draw.
> > Or we have "Storypainting sessions", were we split the group in story
> inventors, story drawers, a witness, and to show the result (a long strip of
> images with added sentences) a person like a medieval ballad-monger.
> > Or we let people draw their company, group ...as a human person on a flip
> chart in little groups.
> > Or we develop maps together, land- and seamaps, full of metaphors and
> dragons ...
> >
> > C. We prepare sessions, conferences etc. with metaphorical maps, after
> gathering the content in interviews we document in drawings. That can take
> some months.
> >
> > We develop gaims for companies, where the coworkers understand their
> company and the ideas of their bosses while they play.
> >
> > E. We offer coaching with images (where we and the coached person draw,
> and were we use our KuS-Model with 7 process steps). We offer introduction
> into visual facilitation in workshops.
> >
> > All this is what we produce, and i don't go into what background we have,
> how we always develop our services further, what images make with people,
> what we touch within people, how we help to sustain etc,....
> >
> > For Open Space it would be beautiful to always have paper and colors
> available, flipchartsize or bigger. Colors might be broad (!!!) felt pens,
> chalk, crayons (careful with carpet floors), water colors. Yes, a person to
> introduce and help is helpful, but not necessary. But you must show the
> possibilities of using these materials as something normal.
> >
> > And maybe you experiment with people documenting with drawings, on big or
> small paper!!!
> >
> > The drawing should not be the theme, but a byproduct. That is one reason i
> don't call me an artist.
> >
> > And if you ever  find a client who asks for a visual person, there are
> beautiful people all over the place. You can look in the website of IFVP,
> our international organisation.
> >
> >
> > Reinhard
> >
> > VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
> >
> > Kuchenmüller & Stifel
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 300 West North Ave #1105
> Chicago IL 60610 USA
> Phone: 312-280-7838
> michael at michaelherman.com
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>From  Sat Aug 26 18:17:13 2006
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Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:17:13 -0400
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From: douglas germann <76066.515 at compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Found Poem -- June 8 to August 23,
 2006 -- Opening Space for Conflict and Peace
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Lisa--

Just wanted to let you know that to me your found poems are something I
look forward to, and set a time to sit with, for they are good.

Thank you for this service to our community.

			:- Doug.

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