AW: AW: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space
Diane Brandon
diane at keysregion.org
Sat Aug 26 07:48:40 PDT 2006
Yes, I see that -- the listserv settings must not allow visuals.
Diane Brandon, M.Ed., Coordinator
KEYS Coalition (CWC)
Landmark Hill Community Resource Center
518 Rte One, Box 4, Kittery, ME 03904
207-438-9100
Fax: 207-439-8764
diane at keysregion.org
www.keysregion.org
On Aug 26, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Visuelle Protokolle wrote:
> There is a little box with a red x , but I cannot open it!
>
> Reinhard
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> best regards
>
> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
> Kuchenmüller & Stifel
>
> tel +39-0566-88 929
> www.visuelle-protokolle.de
>
>
> Von: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] Im Auftrag von
> Diane Brandon
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. August 2006 14:21
> An: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space
>
> Let's see if this screen shot from www.visuelle-protokolle.de makes
> it through onto the list.
>
>
>
> Diane Brandon, M.Ed., Coordinator
> KEYS Coalition (CWC)
> Landmark Hill Community Resource Center
> 518 Rte One, Box 4, Kittery, ME 03904
> 207-438-9100
> Fax: 207-439-8764
> diane at keysregion.org
> www.keysregion.org
>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Visuelle Protokolle wrote:
>
>> Dear Pat,
>>
>> I try to make it short.
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>> best regards
>>
>> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
>> Kuchenmüller & Stifel
>>
>> tel +39-0566-88 929
>> www.visuelle-protokolle.de
>>
>>
>> If i see, that i can be of help for someone, i always jump. i
>> don't care then for selforganization, i simply go. or draw. For me
>> it is fine, that you and me are different.
>>
>> Is this not self organization? Self organization is not self
>> conscious it just does in my understanding. YES.
>>
>> I like of course, what Birgitt is writing in her parallel mail. So
>> i am glad, that we had this dialogue, and am open to continue it
>> ore leave it like that, because the important things have been
>> said. I would rather draw what i feel, but this listserve is
>> textbased.
>>
>> I am not sure whether this group is tex based or not, I am not
>> text based. In reading the posts I imagine people have many
>> primary modality possibilies. The listserve is text based for
>> sure. I do not know if there is any other way to participate on
>> the list except through text. I appreciate some attempts at using
>> keystrokes to create visual images although that would not satisfy
>> my visual expression. I also appreciate Lisa's attempt to distill
>> discussion threads into poetry. So far on this list that has been
>> the most staisfying visual expression. Her last poem distilled
>> out of the posts on one topic was for me beautiful and moved me
>> emotionally to tears so the experience is the same for me as a
>> picture. My question is how would you use the listserve to be
>> more visually expressive? How can people become more comfortable
>> operating in visual expression while here?
>>
>> I don't know much about listservs and security. maybe there might
>> be a parallel list, where images are allowed.
>>
>> So we can sit inbeteen the people and hear, see, feel what is
>> going on. We use the 'Visual Language', a combination of images
>> and words. we work with feltpens on cards, which we hang in rows
>> of 6 to form a picture wall, where everybody can see, what was
>> said, and also ask for corrections and additions. At the end
>> mostly we transform these images into a slideshow of some minutes
>> to let the day flow by, because almost everybody has forgotten
>> more than 50 % of what he heard, saw and did during a day.
>>
>> Could a photographer participate in the same way? Would a
>> photagrapher sitting in the group as you describe documenting
>> through photographs serve the same purpose? If not what is
>> different in what the visual photographers do?
>>
>> we draw the content, not the people.
>>
>> C. We prepare sessions, conferences etc. with metaphorical maps,
>> after gathering the content in interviews we document in drawings.
>> That can take
>> some months.
>>
>> So is what important here and perhaps absent on the list
>> metaphors? Do you think what we need to do as facilitators of any
>> variety be more intentional about metaphor? Should there be more
>> intentional time spent on discovering the metaphors that show up
>> to the event and that influence questions and their answers?
>>
>> I have experienced that metaphors come by themselves, if there is
>> an inviting atmosphere. so you only have to listen carefully !!!
>> and to catch them.
>>
>> For Open Space it would be beautiful to always have paper and
>> colors available, flipchartsize or bigger. Colors might be broad
>> (!!!) felt pens, chalk, crayons (careful with carpet floors),
>> water colors. Yes, a person to introduce and help is helpful,
>> but not necessary. But you must show the possibilities of using
>> these materials as something normal.
>>
>> And maybe you experiment with people documenting with drawings, on
>> big or small paper!!!
>>
>> The drawing should not be the theme, but a byproduct. That is one
>> reason i don't call me an artist.
>>
>> I would agree with everything you said in the previous paragraph.
>> I would add that a person to demonstrate the possibilities of
>> visual expression is needed also to show how to enter into the
>> process and to discover the metaphors revealed by drawings no
>> matter how primitive or unstaisfying to the drawer. In my
>> somewhat limitied open space experience, paper and colored markers
>> have always been present. So the tools are there but it seems the
>> visual person may not always be identified. I also agree that a
>> great number of literate people have competency issues with art
>> and music that stifle there willingness to do it and their
>> understanding of the value of what can be expressed by someone who
>> is not fluent in the language. My fluency allows me to see where
>> fluency can be nurtured in another, how to enter in. I am
>> wondering how you envision the best way for this to happen in an
>> open space format? What can you imagine in the open space format?
>> Thanks for the dialouge
>> Pat Black
>> images are about 40.000 years old, written texts 5.000 years.
>> Scientists say, that we think in images and then translate them
>> into words. I am no scientist, but I am shure, that all of us have
>> the world of images within us, and it gets alive once it is
>> touched. Society has banned many creative expressions, so it needs
>> some digging.
>>
>> Someone responsable for singing, dancing, drawing, playing is as
>> important as someone for speaking and writing.
>>
>> One easy way is to offer drawing - for example drawing a story -
>> as theme of an open space session, so people get used to it.
>>
>> Our societiy is overflooded with images, prefabricated images,
>> films, tv, ads etc. but people are hungry for the real stuff,
>> alive, fitting in the moment, handdrawn, amateurlike. I have
>> experienced that in about 400 sessions.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Reinhard
>>
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