AW: AW: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space

Diane Brandon diane at keysregion.org
Sat Aug 26 07:48:40 PDT 2006


Yes, I see that -- the listserv settings must not allow visuals.

Diane Brandon, M.Ed., Coordinator
KEYS Coalition (CWC)
Landmark Hill Community Resource Center
518 Rte One, Box 4, Kittery, ME 03904
207-438-9100
Fax: 207-439-8764
diane at keysregion.org
www.keysregion.org



On Aug 26, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Visuelle Protokolle wrote:

> There is a little box with a red  x  , but I cannot open it!
>
> Reinhard
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> best regards
>
> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
> Kuchenmüller & Stifel
>
> tel +39-0566-88 929
> www.visuelle-protokolle.de
>
>
> Von: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] Im Auftrag von  
> Diane Brandon
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. August 2006 14:21
> An: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space
>
> Let's see if this screen shot from www.visuelle-protokolle.de makes  
> it through onto the list.
>
>
>
> Diane Brandon, M.Ed., Coordinator
> KEYS Coalition (CWC)
> Landmark Hill Community Resource Center
> 518 Rte One, Box 4, Kittery, ME 03904
> 207-438-9100
> Fax: 207-439-8764
> diane at keysregion.org
> www.keysregion.org
>
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2006, at 6:53 AM, Visuelle Protokolle wrote:
>
>> Dear Pat,
>>
>> I try to make it short.
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>> best regards
>>
>> VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE
>> Kuchenmüller & Stifel
>>
>> tel +39-0566-88 929
>> www.visuelle-protokolle.de
>>
>>
>> If i see, that i can be of help for someone, i always jump. i  
>> don't care then for selforganization, i simply go. or draw. For me  
>> it is fine, that you and me are different.
>>
>> Is this not self organization?  Self organization is not self  
>> conscious it just does in my understanding.  YES.
>>
>> I like of course, what Birgitt is writing in her parallel mail. So  
>> i am glad, that we had this dialogue, and am open to continue it  
>> ore leave it like that, because the important things have been  
>> said. I would rather draw what i feel, but this listserve is  
>> textbased.
>>
>> I am not sure whether this group is tex based or not, I am not  
>> text based.  In reading the posts I imagine people have many  
>> primary modality possibilies.  The listserve is text based for  
>> sure.  I do not know if there is any other way to participate on  
>> the list except through text.  I appreciate some attempts at using  
>> keystrokes to create visual images although that would not satisfy  
>> my visual expression.  I also appreciate Lisa's attempt to distill  
>> discussion threads into poetry.  So far on this list that has been  
>> the most staisfying visual expression.  Her last poem distilled  
>> out of the posts on one topic was for me beautiful and moved me  
>> emotionally to tears so the experience is the same for me as a  
>> picture.  My question is how would you use the listserve to be  
>> more visually expressive?  How can people become more comfortable  
>> operating in visual expression while here?
>>
>> I don't know much about listservs and security. maybe there might  
>> be a parallel list, where images are allowed.
>>
>> So we can sit inbeteen the people and hear, see, feel what is  
>> going on. We use the 'Visual Language', a combination of images  
>> and words. we work with feltpens on cards, which we hang in rows  
>> of 6 to form a picture wall, where everybody can see, what was  
>> said, and also ask for corrections and additions. At the end  
>> mostly we transform these images into a slideshow of some minutes  
>> to let the day flow by, because almost everybody has forgotten  
>> more than 50 % of what he heard, saw and did during a day.
>>
>> Could a photographer participate in the same way?  Would a  
>> photagrapher sitting in the group as you describe documenting  
>> through photographs serve the same purpose?  If not what is  
>> different in what the visual photographers do?
>>
>> we draw the content, not the people.
>>
>> C. We prepare sessions, conferences etc. with metaphorical maps,  
>> after gathering the content in interviews we document in drawings.  
>> That can take
>> some months.
>>
>> So is what important here and perhaps absent on the list  
>> metaphors?  Do you think what we need to do as facilitators of any  
>> variety be more intentional about metaphor?  Should there be more  
>> intentional time spent on discovering the metaphors that show up  
>> to the event   and that influence questions and their answers?
>>
>> I have experienced that metaphors come by themselves, if there is  
>> an inviting atmosphere. so you only have to listen carefully !!!  
>> and to catch them.
>>
>> For Open Space it would be beautiful to always have paper and  
>> colors available, flipchartsize or bigger. Colors might be broad  
>> (!!!) felt pens, chalk, crayons (careful with carpet floors),  
>> water colors. Yes, a person to introduce and help is helpful,    
>> but not necessary. But you must show the possibilities of using  
>> these materials as something normal.
>>
>> And maybe you experiment with people documenting with drawings, on  
>> big or small paper!!!
>>
>> The drawing should not be the theme, but a byproduct. That is one  
>> reason i don't call me an artist.
>>
>> I would agree with everything you said in the previous paragraph.   
>> I would add that a person to demonstrate the possibilities of  
>> visual expression is needed also to show how to enter into the  
>> process and to discover the metaphors revealed by drawings no  
>> matter how primitive or unstaisfying to the drawer.  In my  
>> somewhat limitied open space experience, paper and colored markers  
>> have always been present.  So the tools are there but it seems the  
>> visual person may not always be identified.  I also agree that a  
>> great number of literate people have competency issues with art  
>> and music that stifle there willingness to do it and their  
>> understanding of the value of what can be expressed by someone who  
>> is not fluent in the language.  My fluency allows me to see where  
>> fluency can be nurtured in another, how to enter in.  I am  
>> wondering how you envision the best way for this to happen in an  
>> open space format?  What can you imagine in the open space format?
>> Thanks for the dialouge
>> Pat Black
>> images are about 40.000 years old, written texts  5.000 years.  
>> Scientists say, that we think in images and then translate them  
>> into words. I am no scientist, but I am shure, that all of us have  
>> the world of images within us, and it gets alive once it is  
>> touched. Society has banned many creative expressions, so it needs  
>> some digging.
>>
>> Someone responsable for singing, dancing, drawing, playing is as  
>> important as someone for speaking and writing.
>>
>> One easy way is to offer drawing - for example drawing a story -  
>> as theme of an open space session, so people get used to   it.
>>
>> Our societiy is overflooded with images, prefabricated images,  
>> films, tv, ads etc. but people are hungry for the real stuff,  
>> alive, fitting in the moment, handdrawn, amateurlike. I have  
>> experienced that in about 400 sessions.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>>  Reinhard
>>
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