Edinburgh festival.. an Open space event

Thu Apr 6 06:22:09 PDT 2006

Balance seems to be one of the laws of the universe. There is time for
open space and there is time for space that is not so open. It seems to
me that both Open Space Technology and the potlatch are highly
structured....just differently so....part of the magic of an OST meeting
is that it is highly structured. I also think that the start of an OST
meeting is highly controlled...to get that ‘space’ open. Hence the
control to ensure that there is no effect from what Harrison calls
‘space invaders’. 

So, I am thinking that the difference between the potlatch and the OST
might not be about control or structure...but about something else. 

Any thoughts?
Birgitt

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Just a technical piece...potlatches are about as far from Open Space as
you can imagine.  They are highly structured and controlled events and
there is very little tolerance for anything that lies outside of the
control of the people that are responsible for given parts of the
ceremonies.  In fact, working here on the west ocast of North America,
where the feasting culture is integral to traditional forms of
governance, using Open Space sometimes becomes a real challenge.  

On the other hand, most people i work with who stop to think about it
agree that Open Space resonates on a deeper level and taps something
that seems to lie at the heart of many different traditional and
indigenous cultures. 

But potlatches...woowhee...they would drive you around the bend,
Harrison!

Chris
On 4/5/06, Harrison Owen <HYPERLINK "mailto:hhowen at verizon.net"
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Diane -- Surprise! And guess where a major part of the inspiration for
Open 
Space came from? Indigenous Market places! All of which work pretty much
the
same was as a Potlatch. Same old, same old :-)

Harrison

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Chris's comment resonated for me. Our family has had some wonderful 
weekends centered around an indigenous pow wow. Usually it's a full
weekend - sleep over two nights - and there are lots of things going on
-- food vendors, arts and crafts vendors, children's games, always the
circle in the center, drumming much of the time, dances of many sorts,
great ceremonial dress, some or all dances open to all (some for
skilled dancers only), story telling, flute playing, sometimes sweat
lodges, sometimes workshops on healing/spiritual topics or on making 
things, and nothing requires attendance! Many people sit around their
campsites, sleep, talk at picnic tables, swim in the river where that's
an option, take care of kids -- oh yes, all ages are welcome and are
there, with a lot of honor for elders (much appreciated by this
grandmother) and for veterans (something I was on the fence about - but
my husband was in the Navy for 4 years in the Vietnam era, and it means
so much to him to dance in the veterans' honoring dance, and I get to 
join him.... so I've warmed to it). Many people camp out in tents  and
trailers, so we live together for the weekend, and the cost is minimal.
There's plenty of room for offering what you want to offer, if not in a 
more formal way, then via your own campsite and conversations there or
as you walk around. (I'm sure if you hang a flag at your campsite about
your topic, you'll attract some interest!) The place-basedness of it, 
and all the preparation that goes into it on the part of the tribe or
tribes or individuals that organize it (they usually include one free
feast, and often a give-away), seem core to the sense of deep
satisfaction people get from going to these weekends. I think it's very 
close to Open Space!

Diane Brandon
Eliot, Maine

On Apr 5, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Chris Weaver wrote:

> on a related large other topic, i am deeply interested in the overlap
> between ost and ceremony in indigenous traditions.  festival life, 
> which
> culminates on a specific piece of land for a specific period of time,
> has
> some fascinating resonance with ceremonial space/time.  a topic to
> explore
> another time.

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