deep democracy
Chris Macrae
wcbn007 at easynet.co.uk
Sun Nov 6 06:08:43 PST 2005
Something I have learnt the hard way is that people who become accomplished at
a systemic method have a tendency to develop a blindspot to the question: is
there an even deeper conflict surrounding this which needs intervening by
connecting with another systemic method?
I have not actually experienced a HO facilitated OS. However, I have
repeatedly experienced an OS weakness facilitated by others with big change
networking ambitions. It comes near the final day. Let's say projects have
been mobilised on the wall and it appears that everyone who wants to go
forward is both in at least one activation project and that there will be
cross-fertilisation across projects...
but then the follow through activation evaporates
my guess is that deep demoracy applied at this stage late in the 3rd day might
uncover reasons why people appear to be going along with the democracy of the
solution of passing through the conflict barrier together, but are not
actually going to continue the work when comes down to being separtaed from
the cultural spirit of being in the communal 3 days
chris macrae wcbn007 at easynet.co.uk dc number 301 881 1655
http://clubofdc.blogspot.com -can we connect systemic conflict resolution
methods to scale up for global change at every locality where human beings
need it most
http://gravity200.blogspot.com can we marry 200 networks for change together -
so that being in ones opens doors to being in all?
htp://deathofdistance.blogspot.com why multiple double revolutions of networks
is globally * locally beyond the ken of 20th C systems*peoples, and so an
urgent crisis of opportunity & risk (multiple revolutions include: real-life*
virtual life- beyond national responsibilities for sustaining global*local;
revolution idn economy of communications*transport; boundary silos -most
corruption compounds at the gap between 2 organisational systems not just
within one yet network connectivity imposes systems*systems as the core lever
compounding wealth*health)
Quoting Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>:
Raffi Wrote: "I continue to be intrigued/nagged by the thought that there is
something beyond open space that is waiting to be born. It has something to
do with bringing together open space and processwork. In more passionate
moments I refer to the Conscious Open Sleep Organization. If there is
something to this, it'll come later. I don't have a question here yet."
Ah Raffi -- you set me to thinking. But first, a story. I recently went to
Japan (back yesterday -- or was it tomorrow? I think I lost a day!) I told
my hosts that I would come under one condition: That I meet with a Zen
Master. They agreed, and following the formal program, we went to the seek
the Master. As fate would have it, the Master had been called away, and so
we sat, my host and I. But as it turned out, my host was the Master. And so
we talked. From all of this I learned that when you seek something, you will
find Nothing -- but it is in that Nothing that the thing you seek resides.
And now the thought: In open space there is neither before nor after -- only
Now. In a word, you are already there!
Maybe I should go back to Japan? :-)
Harrison
NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!!!!
hhowen at verizon.net
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland 20845
Phone 301-365-2093
Skype hhowen
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Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Raffi
Aftandelian
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:24 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: deep democracy
Dear Chris,
Thank you for reviving this thread. Esther I had no idea that you has
contact with Deep Democracy (or did I forget?). I also started a Mindell
thread a few years back. And from what I can see those previous
threads didn't take me to any particular new place.
It is helpful to know that Anne has some knowledge of Mindell, too.
(hi Anne!)
A year ago I spent a few hours trying to find out what body of experience
there is in the application of the Open Forum tool (Mindell's
invention). I signed on to the process work listservs posted a few
messages, got a few responses, learned even of a dissertation on the
application of this instrument (which I would like to purchase).
I still feel the chapter on the connection between Open Forum (Deep
Democracy) and Open Space is unfinished.
I had had the fortune of participating in two of Arnold Mindell's
workshops. The biggest issue with Open Forum work is that is not a
skill that is easily acquired. Arnold says essentially the same as
Harrison: "read the book (Deep Democracy) and do an Open Forum." If it
was that easy, perhaps we'd see a lively Open Forum listserv with almost 500
subscribers, an openforumworldmap.org site, a yearly OpenForum on OpenForum
None of that exists. What is the learning here?
And yet processwork continues to intrigue me.
I continue to be intrigued/nagged by the thought that there is
something beyond open space that is waiting to be born. It has
something to do with bringing together open space and processwork. In
more passionate moments I refer to the Conscious Open Sleep
Organization. If there is something to this, it'll come later. I don't
have a question here yet.
Chris, I enjoy your posts very much and follow with interest.
Warmly,
from where the ducks continue to quack outside my window,
raffi
p.s. On Monday, Kiev is holding its second stammtisch. If you'd like
to send a warm pre-stammtisch greetings, you can send it to Lada
Kanevska <lada at uccg.org.ua> Unfortunately, I won't be there : (
mailto:raffi at bk.ru
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Chris wrote: "but then the follow through activation evaporates."
My guess is that this has less to do with the "method" and rather more to do
with the people. A lot of things happen on the way to the future. Ideas
which seemed good at the time, pale on reflection. Ideas which seemed
marginal or off the table emerge at a later date through the network
established in OS.. . . In a word, people will do what they will do, and no
"method" on earth (that I know of) will make that different. My only hope
(and expectation) is that folks will do (not do) what they really want to
do, and in Open Space they have that freedom and responsibility.
Harrison
NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!!!!
hhowen at verizon.net
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland 20845
Phone 301-365-2093
Skype hhowen
Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
Personal website www.ho-image.com
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From: wcbn007 at easynet.co.uk [mailto:wcbn007 at easynet.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:09 AM
To: hhowen at verizon.net
Cc: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: deep democracy
Something I have learnt the hard way is that people who become accomplished
at
a systemic method have a tendency to develop a blindspot to the question: is
there an even deeper conflict surrounding this which needs intervening by
connecting with another systemic method?
I have not actually experienced a HO facilitated OS. However, I have
repeatedly experienced an OS weakness facilitated by others with big change
networking ambitions. It comes near the final day. Let's say projects have
been mobilised on the wall and it appears that everyone who wants to go
forward is both in at least one activation project and that there will be
cross-fertilisation across projects...
but then the follow through activation evaporates
my guess is that deep demoracy applied at this stage late in the 3rd day
might
uncover reasons why people appear to be going along with the democracy of
the
solution of passing through the conflict barrier together, but are not
actually going to continue the work when comes down to being separtaed from
the cultural spirit of being in the communal 3 days
chris macrae wcbn007 at easynet.co.uk dc number 301 881 1655
http://clubofdc.blogspot.com -can we connect systemic conflict resolution
methods to scale up for global change at every locality where human beings
need it most
http://gravity200.blogspot.com can we marry 200 networks for change together
-
so that being in ones opens doors to being in all?
htp://deathofdistance.blogspot.com why multiple double revolutions of
networks
is globally * locally beyond the ken of 20th C systems*peoples, and so an
urgent crisis of opportunity & risk (multiple revolutions include:
real-life*
virtual life- beyond national responsibilities for sustaining global*local;
revolution idn economy of communications*transport; boundary silos -most
corruption compounds at the gap between 2 organisational systems not just
within one yet network connectivity imposes systems*systems as the core
lever
compounding wealth*health)
Quoting Harrison Owen <hhowen at verizon.net>:
Raffi Wrote: "I continue to be intrigued/nagged by the thought that there
is
something beyond open space that is waiting to be born. It has something to
do with bringing together open space and processwork. In more passionate
moments I refer to the Conscious Open Sleep Organization. If there is
something to this, it'll come later. I don't have a question here yet."
Ah Raffi -- you set me to thinking. But first, a story. I recently went to
Japan (back yesterday -- or was it tomorrow? I think I lost a day!) I told
my hosts that I would come under one condition: That I meet with a Zen
Master. They agreed, and following the formal program, we went to the seek
the Master. As fate would have it, the Master had been called away, and so
we sat, my host and I. But as it turned out, my host was the Master. And so
we talked. From all of this I learned that when you seek something, you
will
find Nothing -- but it is in that Nothing that the thing you seek resides.
And now the thought: In open space there is neither before nor after --
only
Now. In a word, you are already there!
Maybe I should go back to Japan? :-)
Harrison
NEW EMAIL ADDRESS!!!!
hhowen at verizon.net
Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Drive
Potomac, Maryland 20845
Phone 301-365-2093
Skype hhowen
Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
Personal website www.ho-image.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Raffi
Aftandelian
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:24 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: deep democracy
Dear Chris,
Thank you for reviving this thread. Esther I had no idea that you has
contact with Deep Democracy (or did I forget?). I also started a Mindell
thread a few years back. And from what I can see those previous
threads didn't take me to any particular new place.
It is helpful to know that Anne has some knowledge of Mindell, too.
(hi Anne!)
A year ago I spent a few hours trying to find out what body of experience
there is in the application of the Open Forum tool (Mindell's
invention). I signed on to the process work listservs posted a few
messages, got a few responses, learned even of a dissertation on the
application of this instrument (which I would like to purchase).
I still feel the chapter on the connection between Open Forum (Deep
Democracy) and Open Space is unfinished.
I had had the fortune of participating in two of Arnold Mindell's
workshops. The biggest issue with Open Forum work is that is not a
skill that is easily acquired. Arnold says essentially the same as
Harrison: "read the book (Deep Democracy) and do an Open Forum." If it
was that easy, perhaps we'd see a lively Open Forum listserv with almost
500
subscribers, an openforumworldmap.org site, a yearly OpenForum on OpenForum
None of that exists. What is the learning here?
And yet processwork continues to intrigue me.
I continue to be intrigued/nagged by the thought that there is
something beyond open space that is waiting to be born. It has
something to do with bringing together open space and processwork. In
more passionate moments I refer to the Conscious Open Sleep
Organization. If there is something to this, it'll come later. I don't
have a question here yet.
Chris, I enjoy your posts very much and follow with interest.
Warmly,
from where the ducks continue to quack outside my window,
raffi
p.s. On Monday, Kiev is holding its second stammtisch. If you'd like
to send a warm pre-stammtisch greetings, you can send it to Lada
Kanevska <lada at uccg.org.ua> Unfortunately, I won't be there : (
mailto:raffi at bk.ru
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