OSLIST Digest - 20 Jun 2005 to 21 Jun 2005 (#2005-169)
Harrison Owen
hhowen at comcast.net
Wed Jun 22 03:27:31 PDT 2005
OK David -- but what DVD???
Harrison
Harrison Owen
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USA
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From: David Smith
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Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: OSLIST Digest - 20 Jun 2005 to 21 Jun 2005 (#2005-169)
One important thing - would you please put a pair of scissors through the
DVD you currently have - don't want any possibility of confusion re
versions.
Thanks
David
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> There are 23 messages totalling 4999 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
>
> 1. this day merits a "C"
> 2. leverage points (2)
> 3. test
> 4. test again (2)
> 5. Hello from Sweden (2)
> 6. Surprise
> 7. Reflections at 100--# 26
> 8. Desperately seeking... (2)
> 9. SV: Hello from Sweden
> 10. OS research
> 11. OST Practitioner in Indonesia (3)
> 12. turkish at osworld.org web page
> 13. Timing for really large groups (5)
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:10:09 +0400
> From: Raffi Aftandelian <raffi at bk.ru>
> Subject: this day merits a "C"
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> This Saturday I began running a Working with OST Workshop, which runs
> over two weekends. Most of the first day of the workshop was a one day
> OST meeting on "Creating Healthy Organizations: issues and
> opportunities." For this first day, "external" people were invited so
> that we would get a critical mass necessary to create the dynamic of
> an OST meeting.
>
> It was a very fruitful meeting, judging from the number of reports,
> the titles of the reports, the notes, and the hum. We had 3 concurrent
> sessions the whole time. I wish I had opened a fourth session...
>
> Among session topics:
> 1. Good illnesses: are growing pains necessary?
> 2. What is a healthy organization after all?
> 3. Creativity: to be or not to be creative?
> 4. How to integrate the 4 principles into organizational order
> 5. Organizations are miracles (session held twice)
> 6. Big hairy goals or our small comfortable world
> 7. What will happen on Monday?
>
> The variety of people in the group gathered also really surprised me:
> experienced corporate
> trainers, manager of an internet trainings portal, 2 management
> consultants, director of one of Russia's oldest organizations working
> with children with Down's Syndrome, a hairdresser/entrepreneur, a
> psychologist who works with
> families in crisis, and many other folks.
>
> At the closing circle there were many who were quite eager to continue
> the conversation.
>
> One comment in the closing circle really intrigued and troubled me:
>
> "I give today a "C." This came from the corporate trainer with whom
> I'd met with over lunch a week ago and explained OST in detail, the
> facilitator's role in detail.
>
> I followed up with him post-meeting by email and some interesting
> things emerged.
>
> As I gave thought to his "C", I ventured that in fact he really gave
> himself a "C" and that it would be foolish to give OST a "C." He
> agreed.
>
> I also ventured that I think we are at a point in human development
> where giving feedback is, well, passe. That perhaps it makes more
> sense to ask appropriate, well-timed questions that invite as opposed
> to tell.
>
> What he also said is that he didn't like the fact that so much time
> went to explaining things to people in sessions and that he could've
> found the answers to many things himself.
>
> What drove him mad, though, was that there was one participant who
> would come to those groups where he was comfortable. With the arrival
> of that participant, everyone else would begin to leave, himself
> included. Loss of control?
>
> I have never heard such comments from participants about OST meetings
> before. I am
> inclined to think that what this participant saw (or maybe hasn't
> chosen to see yet) were some parts of himself that he didn't like.
>
> He later shared that the meeting just didn't grab him. I beg to
> differ. Grab it did, but not in a place he would prefer to be grabbed.
>
> His "C" at first really troubled me. I felt alone for a whole night. I
> realized that in my work with OST, no matter what people say I have to
> continue. I know I am a fool, just accept it and move on.
>
> Raffi
>
>
> mailto:raffi at bk.ru
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:51:06 EDT
> From: EVERETT813 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: leverage points
>
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> In a message dated 6/20/05 8:32:55 PM, therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com
> writes:
>
>
>> Thanks for your thoughts, Paul.=A0 I disagree with what you wrote about
>> 'right' being judgmental in this principle. . . . but, hey, it's all
>> good for me.
>>=20
>
> Well, that's good Therese, because I had no conscious thought about
> 'right'=20
> being a judgment in what I wrote (right as in correct people). Now, it
> mig=
> ht=20
> have been there unconsciously, I can grant that, but I'd like the sentence
> o=
> r=20
> phrase that said that to you, please. Because I don't see my postings on
> t=
> he=20
> Listserv for some reason. They don't show up on my list of posts from
> the=20
> Listserv. Joelle gets them on her screen name but I don't ever see
> them=20
> again. =20
>
> Further, I thought I was writing about how people are chosen and the=20
> principle being about the decision-maker who decides to choose. I don't
> se=
> e any=20
> judgment in that about 'right' people. Just a study that discovered the
> ma=
> in=20
> criteria for being chosen: known by, and proximate to, the decision-maker.
> =20=
> So,=20
> give me a hand because I find myself mainly in agreement with your=20
> dissertation and thus am a bit mystified.
>
> It occurs to me we may be talking about two different posts? Or an
> old=20
> post?? Not one from today. I posted twice today and haven't posted in
> a=20=
> while=20
> before that. So, help me out, on the board or privately, please.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Paul=20
>
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> eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
> In a message dated 6/20/05 8:32:55 PM, therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com
> writes:=
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> <BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT:
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> COLOR=3D"#0=
> 00000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Thanks for your
> thoug=
> hts, Paul.=A0 I disagree with what you wrote about<BR>
> 'right' being judgmental in this principle. . . . but, hey, it's all<BR>
> good for me.<BR>
> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva"
> FAMILY=3D"SANSSE=
> RIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR>
> <BR>
> Well, that's good Therese, because I had no conscious thought about
> 'right'=20=
> being a judgment in what I wrote (right as in correct people). Now,
> i=
> t might have been there unconsciously, I can grant that, but I'd like the
> se=
> ntence or phrase that said that to you, please. Because I don't see
> m=
> y postings on the Listserv for some reason. They don't show up on
> my=20=
> list of posts from the Listserv. Joelle gets them on her screen
> name=20=
> but I don't ever see them again. <BR>
> <BR>
> Further, I thought I was writing about how people are chosen and the
> princip=
> le being about the decision-maker who decides to choose. I don't
> see=20=
> any judgment in that about 'right' people. Just a study that
> discover=
> ed the main criteria for being chosen: </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"
> FACE=
> =3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><I>known by, and proximate to,
> t=
> he decision-maker</I></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva"
> FAMILY=
> =3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">. So, give me a hand because I find
> myself=20=
> mainly in agreement with your dissertation and thus am a bit
> mystified.<BR>
> <BR>
> It occurs to me we may be talking about two different posts? Or an
> ol=
> d post?? Not one from today. I posted twice today and
> haven't=20=
> posted in a while before that. So, help me out, on the board or
> priva=
> tely, please.<BR>
> <BR>
> Sincerely,<BR>
> <BR>
> Paul </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:51:25 +0100
> From: Michael Herman <mjherman at gmail.com>
> Subject: test
>
> test test test...
>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:58:08 +0100
> From: Michael Herman <mjherman at gmail.com>
> Subject: test again
>
> sorry for this bother. no reply necessary... thanks. m
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:02:04 +0200
> From: Skaparlust <skaparlust at swipnet.se>
> Subject: Hello from Sweden
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> Hi everyone out there,
> Today I realized that I had done the ultimate Open Space meeting.
> A unusual thing about this meeting, was the bed, that was placed towards =
> one of the walls in the big conference room. I tried it.
> At the end of the conference I found out that there weren=B4t any =
> reports, which I of course immediately justified with the comment that =
> they probably didn=B4t need them anyhow and the participants seemed =
> quite content. I also realized that there had been no finishing circle. =
> Odd....=20
> When talking to one of the guys I realized that I had been sleeping all =
> through the meeting. (The ultimate letting go!)=20
> Laughing hysterically I told him that I was going to tell about this on =
> the OS listserve, which I=20
> just now did. (I am eagerly looking forward to the follow up-meeting, =
> which hopefully will happen this night.)
>
> I wish you a magic night, all of you who enjoy the longest day of the =
> year!
> Agneta Falk
> Skaparlust "Joy of creating"
>
> Click here: Toren van beren This link give you an idea of how to =
> transform hierachies.
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Hi everyone out there,</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Today I realized that I had done =
> the ultimate=20
> Open Space meeting.</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">A unusual thing about this meeting, was =
> the=20
> bed, that was placed towards one of the walls in the big =
> conference=20
> room. I tried it.</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">At the end of the conference I found out =
> that=20
> there weren=B4t any reports, which I of course immediately justified =
> with the=20
> comment that they probably didn=B4t need them anyhow and the =
> participants seemed=20
> quite content. I also realized that there had been no finishing circle. =
> Odd....=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">When talking to one of the guys I =
> realized that I=20
> had been sleeping all through the meeting. (The ultimate letting=20
> go!) </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Laughing hysterically I told him =
> that I was=20
> going to tell about this on the OS listserve, which I </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">just now did. (I am eagerly =
> looking forward=20
> to the follow up-meeting, which hopefully will happen this night.)</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">I wish you a magic night, all of you who =
> enjoy=20
> the longest day of the year!</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Agneta Falk</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Skaparlust "Joy of creating"</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT id=3Drole_document face=3DArial =
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:10:18 +0100
> From: Michael Herman <mjherman at gmail.com>
> Subject: Surprise
>
> To all Harrison's friends--
>
> ***Please keep this our secret (thanks to a little oslist admin magic,
> Harrison is not receiving this message)... DO NOT REPLY TO THE LIST
> ABOUT THIS!***:
>
> To celebrate Harrison's upcoming 70th birthday and Open Space's 20th
> anniversary, we want to give Harrison a gift at OSonOS 13 in Halifax,
> in the form of your responses to these questions.
>
> 1. How has Harrison or Open Space touched your life?
>
> 2. What wishes do you have for Harrison as he enters his 8th
> decade? For Open Space as it enters its 3rd decade?
>
> If you feel moved to contribute, please post your responses at
> http://www.footprintsinthewind.com/forum/postlist.php?Board=H70&o=0
>
> If you wish instead to send hard copy, you may send it (to arrive
> before July 25) to:
>
> Harrison's Birthday Celebration
> c/o Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
> P.O. Box 2796
> South Bend, IN, USA 46680-2796
>
> ***Please keep this secret from Harrison, but do pass it on to other
> friends
> of Harrison who may not be on this list.***
>
> The birthday planners
> Open Space Institute (US) Board
> Kerry Napuk <k at napuk.demon.co.uk>
> Michael Herman <mherman at globalchicago.net>
> Gabriel Shirley <gabriel at bigmindconsulting.com>
> John Engle <john at theexperiment.info>
> Peggy Holman <usa at openspaceworld.org>
> Mikk Sarv <mikk at ilm.ee>
> Lisa <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
> Karen Davis <kdavis at concentric.net>
> Douglas D. Germann, Sr. <76066.515 at CompuServe.com>
> Christine Whitney Sanchez <milagro27 at cox.net>
> Gail West, ICA <icataiw at ms69.hinet.net>
> Michael M Pannwitz <mmpanne at boscop.de>
> Elwin Guild <elwinandjoan at yahoo.com>
> Carol Daniel Kasbari <ipmf at netvision.net.il>
> Avner Averbuch <averbuch at post.tau.ac.il>
> Tova Averbuch <averbuch at post.tau.ac.il>
> Fr Brian S. Bainbridge <briansb at mira.net>
> Esther Ewing <EwingChange at aol.com>
> Thomas Herrmann <thomas at openspaceconsulting.com>
>
>
> --
>
> Michael Herman Associates
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> ...inviting organizations into action
>
> Small Change News Network
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:23:34 +0100
> From: Michael Herman <mjherman at gmail.com>
> Subject: test again
>
> no reply necessary. thanks. m
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:16:32 -0600
> From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> Subject: Re: Reflections at 100--# 26
>
> On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:08:42 -0400, Douglas D. Germann, Sr. wrote:
>
>>Masud--
>>
>>Ummmm, I missed the doubting Thomas version of the principle about people.
>>Would you kindly bring me up to date, Masud? <grin>
>>
>> :-Doug.
>> Who needs to be heard?
>>
>
> Oh OK Doug,
> At the risk of ex-communication, let me try one more time:
> First attempt: Whoever comes are the only people who could have come
> Second attempt: I may be forgetting the exact words, but it was something
> like "Those who felt invited, came".
>
> Now, the third attempt: Trust the people who come.
> And now, I am running away. Hope you (all) are doing well.
> Masud
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:17:06 -0400
> From: Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...
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> Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what do you mean?
>
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> Potomac, MD 20854
> USA
> 301-365-2093
> 207-763-3261 (summer)
> website www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Claudia Haack=20
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...
>
>
> Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete transformation. =
> What Fan?
>
> Claudia
> Triune Milagro - Madison
> 608.288.8315
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net> =
> writes:
> Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with the two concentric =
> circles -- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like a circle. =
> Above everything else, don't appologize, explain, justify, -- mortify . =
> Just do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it work? Definitely. =
> Just make it a circle in your mind.
>
> Harrison
>
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> USA
> 301-365-2093
> 207-763-3261 (summer)
> website www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Claudia Haack=20
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...
>
>
> Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has been =
> given". =20
>
> Claudia
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft =
> <lisaheft at openingspace.net> writes:
> Claudia -=20
>
> =20
>
> You wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped =
> room:
>
> Has anybody ever had a similar situation? What are your =
> thoughts? The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for =
> open space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
> actually create something that resembles circles. Maybe I just worry =
> too much about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
> make a circle? Maybe it is really important to have circles and =
> "fan-shaped" just isn't going to work?=20
>
> =20
>
> I'm guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but =
> this is the one you have been given.
>
> =20
>
> I seem to remember .Brian Bainbridge, was it? who spoke of a =
> great OS in a room with theatre seating (chairs attached to the floor) =
> and a little tiny flat space up front for an agenda wall? And.Bernd =
> Weber, was it? who spoke of a great OS in a room filled with one =
> incredibly large table and people seated all around it and not much =
> additional room? =20
>
> =20
>
> And I myself had an experience with a room that was actually not =
> a meeting room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow. And when I =
> put chairs in sort of an arc facing a wall (with many 'concentric' rows =
> out to the sides) the fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs =
> had to be locked together.
>
> =20
>
> In each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully. I am =
> sure in all our cases we 'fought' like crazy to get a better room, but =
> these were the rooms we were given. And so I'm sure that in each of our =
> cases we thought very carefully about the design, and adjusted in the =
> most creative ways, and carried intention and vision, and imagined and =
> indicated a circle even when there may not have been one (it helps to =
> put the signs all around the room and to indicate them as you explain =
> principles and law to further the circle feeling even in a long space, I =
> have found). =20
>
> =20
>
> And in each of these cases, people got themselves to the =
> location that was created for them to write and announce their topics, =
> they got to wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, =
> and they held their discussions all around the room - amazingly, =
> clustering up in little circles even in locked-down chairs - it's a =
> natural way to converse, in circles.
>
> =20
>
> So I say just do all the things you know to do, think of the =
> best way possible to use the space you have, and then enjoy all that =
> Open Space.
>
> =20
>
> Lisa
>
> =20
>
> ___________________________
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> =20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf =
> Of Claudia Haack
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:46 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Desperately seeking...
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> Desperately seeking.
>
> =20
>
> ..a solution to a space issue.=20
>
> =20
>
> Here is the situation:
>
> =20
>
> We are planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people. =
> =20
>
> To imagine the setting - imagine classical ballroom, very large =
> oval, with a terrace going around the edge. Then divide the room in =
> thirds, keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge =
> rooms. One of which is ours (with a total capacity of 750 people =
> theatre style) with these challenges:
>
> =A7 It is shaped like a fan.
>
> =A7 The "outer" rim of approximately 44 feed across is =
> about 2 feet higher than the "inner" fan.
>
> =A7 The "outer" rim is separated from the lower space =
> by a metal and glass railing.=20
>
> =A7 While the inner space has a very high ceiling, the =
> outer/upper space does not.=20
>
> If an open space of at least 35 to 40 feet is created on the =
> lower part (the only part where you could create an open space) only =
> about 2 concentric circles can be created accommodating about 120 =
> people. The remainder of the rows would be only half-circles or =
> half-ovals, following the shape of the terrace.=20
>
> =20
>
> Has anybody ever had a similar situation? What are your =
> thoughts? The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for =
> open space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
> actually create something that resembles circles. Maybe I just worry =
> too much about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
> make a circle? Maybe it is really important to have circles and =
> "fan-shaped" just isn't going to work?=20
>
> =20
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.=20
>
> =20
>
> Claudia
>
> =20
>
> Triune Milagro - Madison
>
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what do you=20
> mean?</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD =20
> 20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A=20
> href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A></DIV>
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> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dclaudiahb at juno.com =
> href=3D"mailto:claudiahb at juno.com">Claudia Haack</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> title=3DOSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE=
> .EDU</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005 =
> 5:58 PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately =
> seeking...</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete=20
> transformation. What Fan?</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
> <DIV>Triune Milagro - Madison</DIV>
> <DIV>608.288.8315</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:hhowen at comcast.net">hhowen at comcast.net</A>> =
> writes:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
> 2px solid">
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with =
> the two=20
> concentric circles -- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like =
> a=20
> circle. Above everything else, don't appologize, explain, =
> justify, --=20
> mortify . Just do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it work? =
>
> Definitely. Just make it a circle in your mind.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD =20
> 20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
> black"><B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dclaudiahb at juno.com =
> href=3D"mailto:claudiahb at juno.com">Claudia=20
> Haack</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> title=3DOSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE=
> .EDU</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005 =
> 2:59=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately=20
> seeking...</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has =
> been=20
> given". </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft <<A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net">lisaheft at openingspace.net</A>&g=
> t;=20
> writes:</DIV>
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> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
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> =96 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">You=20
> wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped=20
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> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
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> 12pt">Has anybody=20
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> </SPAN>What are your thoughts?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
> yes"> =20
> </SPAN>The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating =
> for open=20
> space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
> actually=20
> create something that resembles circles.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maybe I just worry too =
> much=20
> about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
> make a=20
> circle?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maybe it =
> is really=20
> important to have circles and =93fan-shaped=94 just isn=92t =
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> guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but this =
> is the=20
> one you have been given.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">I=20
> seem to remember =85Brian Bainbridge, was it?<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN =
> class=3DGramE>who</SPAN>=20
> spoke of a great OS in a room with theatre seating (chairs =
> attached to=20
> the floor) and a little tiny flat space up front for an agenda=20
> wall?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And=85Bernd =
> <SPAN=20
> class=3DGramE>Weber,</SPAN> was it?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
> yes"> =20
> </SPAN><SPAN class=3DGramE>who</SPAN> spoke of a great OS in a =
> room filled=20
> with one incredibly large table and people seated all around it =
> and not=20
> much additional room? <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
> yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">And I=20
> myself had an experience with a room that was actually not a =
> meeting=20
> room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And when I put chairs =
> in sort of=20
> an arc facing a wall (with many =91concentric=92 rows out to the =
> sides) the=20
> fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs had to be =
> locked=20
> together.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">In=20
> each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully. <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am sure in all our =
> cases we=20
> =91fought=92 like crazy to get a better room, but these were the =
> rooms we=20
> were given.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And =
> so I=92m sure=20
> that in each of our cases we thought very carefully about the =
> design,=20
> and adjusted in the most creative ways, and carried intention =
> and=20
> vision, and imagined and indicated a circle even when there may =
> not have=20
> been one (it helps to put the signs all around the room and to =
> indicate=20
> them as you explain principles and law to further the circle =
> feeling=20
> even in a long space, I have found). <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
> yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">And=20
> in each of these cases, people got themselves to the location =
> that was=20
> created for them to write and announce their topics, they got to =
>
> wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, and =
> they held=20
> their discussions all around the room =96 amazingly, clustering =
> up in=20
> little circles even in locked-down chairs =96 it=92s a natural =
> way to=20
> converse, in circles.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">So I=20
> say just do all the things you know to do, think of the best way =
>
> possible to use the space you have, and then enjoy all that Open =
>
> Space=85<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">Lisa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <DIV>
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> FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-bidi-font-weight: =
> normal">L=20
> i s a<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>H e f =
>
> t<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblue =
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> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">O=20
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> c=20
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> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">2325=20
> Oregon<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">Berkeley,=20
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> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
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> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">94705-1106<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
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> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
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> size=3D2><SPAN=20
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> color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
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> color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
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> size=3D2><SPAN=20
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> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes"><A=20
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> style=3D"COLOR: black">www.openingspace.net</SPAN></FONT></A>=20
> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
> face=3DTahoma=20
> size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
> Tahoma">-----Original=20
> Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
> bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Claudia=20
> Haack<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
> Monday,=20
> June 20, 2005 8:46 AM<BR><B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
> OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Desperately=20
> seeking...</SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">Desperately=20
> seeking=85<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">=85.a solution=20
> to a space issue. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">Here is the=20
> situation:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">We are=20
> planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">To imagine=20
> the setting =96 imagine classical ballroom, very large oval, =
> with a=20
> terrace going around the edge. <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then divide the room in =
> thirds,=20
> keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge =
> rooms.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of which is ours =
> (with a=20
> total capacity of<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =
> </SPAN>750=20
> people theatre style) with these=20
> challenges:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
> mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
> mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
> size=3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
> Roman'"> =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>It is shaped like a =
>
> fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
> mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
> mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
> size=3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
> Roman'"> =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim =
> of=20
> approximately 44 feed across is about 2<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>feet higher than the =
> =93inner=94=20
> fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
> mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
> mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
> size=3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
> Roman'"> =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim =
> is=20
> separated<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>from =
> the lower=20
> space by a metal and glass railing. <o:p></o:p></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; =
> mso-fareast-font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; =
> mso-bidi-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
> size=3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
> Roman'"> =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>While the inner =
> space has a=20
> very high ceiling, the outer/upper space does not. =
> <o:p></o:p></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">If an open=20
> space of at least 35 to 40 feet is created on the lower part =
> (the only=20
> part where you could create an open space) only about 2 =
> concentric=20
> circles can be created accommodating about 120 people.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The remainder of the =
> rows would=20
> be only half-circles or half-ovals, following the shape of the =
> terrace.=20
> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">Has anybody=20
> ever had a similar situation?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
> yes"> =20
> </SPAN>What are your thoughts?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
> yes"> =20
> </SPAN>The space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating =
> for open=20
> space, with stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to =
> actually=20
> create something that resembles circles.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maybe I just worry too =
> much=20
> about the space and the right people will come (and stay?!) and =
> make a=20
> circle?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maybe it =
> is really=20
> important to have circles and =93fan-shaped=94 just isn=92t =
> going to work?=20
> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">Thanks for=20
> any suggestions. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Claudia<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
> 12pt">Triune=20
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:31:12 -0700
> From: Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: leverage points
>
> Here is the sentence from your post that gave me the impression you
> thought 'the RIGHT people" is judgmental, Paul:
>
> I find the word 'RIGHT" judgmental rather than value neutral. If we say
> instead "those who felt invited", that says something about both the
> host/s and the invitee/s.
>
>
> Paul, maybe you were quoting Masud? Now that I have reviewed your
> email from yesterday, I see that I attributed Masud's words to you.
> Would you like me to apologize to the list? Or is this clarification
> what you sought from me?
>
> My apologies. I see now that Masud stated that the word 'right' is
> judgmental . . . and he did so quite awhile back.
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:46:34 +0200
> From: Eva P Svensson <eva at epshumaninvest.se>
> Subject: SV: Hello from Sweden
>
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> HELLO AGNETA!
>
> And thanks for the smile =96 because that was what I did when I read =
> your
> post. I can just imagine you lying on the bed sleeping! As you said the
> ultimate letting go =96 you have something to teach me there!
>
> Best wishes to you as well from a thunder storming Onsala
>
> :o)
>
> Eva
>
> =20
>
> B=E4sta h=E4lsningar
>
> =20
>
> Eva P Svensson
>
> EPS Human Invest AB
>
> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom m=E4nniskor skapar l=E5ngsiktigt =
> v=E4lm=E5ende f=F6retag
> och organisationer!"
>
> An=E5sbergsv=E4gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
>
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil: 0706-89 85 50
>
> <mailto:eva at epshumaninvest.se> eva at epshumaninvest.se,
> <http://www.epshumaninvest.se> www.epshumaninvest.se
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> _____ =20
>
> Fr=E5n: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] F=F6r Skaparlust
> Skickat: den 21 juni 2005 11:02
> Till: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> =C4mne: Hello from Sweden
>
> =20
>
> =20
>
> Hi everyone out there,
>
> Today I realized that I had done the ultimate Open Space meeting.
>
> A unusual thing about this meeting, was the bed, that was placed towards =
> one
> of the walls in the big conference room. I tried it.
>
> At the end of the conference I found out that there weren=B4t any =
> reports,
> which I of course immediately justified with the comment that they =
> probably
> didn=B4t need them anyhow and the participants seemed quite content. I =
> also
> realized that there had been no finishing circle. Odd....=20
>
> When talking to one of the guys I realized that I had been sleeping all
> through the meeting. (The ultimate letting go!)=20
>
> Laughing hysterically I told him that I was going to tell about this on =
> the
> OS listserve, which I=20
>
> just now did. (I am eagerly looking forward to the follow up-meeting, =
> which
> hopefully will happen this night.)
>
> =20
>
> I wish you a magic night, all of you who enjoy the longest day of the =
> year!
>
> Agneta Falk
>
> Skaparlust "Joy of creating"
>
> =20
>
> Click here: Toren van beren <http://www.nobodyhere.com/toren.hier> =
> This
> link give you an idea of how to transform hierachies.
>
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> done the
> ultimate Open Space meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>A unusual thing about this =
> meeting, was
> the bed, that was placed towards one of the walls in the big
> conference room. I tried it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
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> found out
> that there weren=B4t any reports, which I of course immediately =
> justified with
> the comment that they probably didn=B4t need them anyhow and the =
> participants
> seemed quite content. I also realized that there had been no finishing =
> circle.
> Odd.... <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
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> realized that I had been sleeping all through the meeting. (The ultimate
> letting go!) <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
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> him that
> I was going to tell about this on the OS listserve, which I =
> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
> </div>
>
> <div>
>
> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
> style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>just now did. (I am eagerly =
> looking
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> night.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
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> you who
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>
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>
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>
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> beren</a>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:50:25 -0500
> From: Claudia Haack <claudiahb at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...
>
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> Harrison,
>
> You wrote:
> Just make it a circle in your mind.
>
> And so I did. The image in my mind transformed from an awkward,
> two-level fan shape to a circle that will be perfect for opening the
> space for 300 attendees. Your assurances have greatly relieved our
> clients, as well as Christine and myself.
> Thanks, Claudia
>
> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:17:06 -0400 Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net>
> writes:
> Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what do you mean?
>
> Harrison
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> USA
> 301-365-2093
> 207-763-3261 (summer)
>website www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Claudia Haack
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...
>
>
> Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete transformation.
> What Fan?
>
> Claudia
> Triune Milagro - Madison
> 608.288.8315
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen <hhowen at comcast.net>
> writes:
> Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with the two concentric circles
> -- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like a circle. Above
> everything else, don't appologize, explain, justify, -- mortify . Just
> do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it work? Definitely. Just
> make it a circle in your mind.
>
> Harrison
>
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Dr.
> Potomac, MD 20854
> USA
> 301-365-2093
> 207-763-3261 (summer)
> website www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Claudia Haack
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Desperately seeking...
>
>
> Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has been given".
>
> Claudia
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
> writes:
> Claudia -
>
> You wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped room:
> Has anybody ever had a similar situation? What are your thoughts? The
> space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for open space, with
> stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to actually create something
> that resembles circles. Maybe I just worry too much about the space and
> the right people will come (and stay?!) and make a circle? Maybe it is
> really important to have circles and "fan-shaped" just isn't going to
> work?
>
> I'm guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but this is
> the one you have been given.
>
> I seem to remember .Brian Bainbridge, was it? who spoke of a great OS in
> a room with theatre seating (chairs attached to the floor) and a little
> tiny flat space up front for an agenda wall? And.Bernd Weber, was it?
> who spoke of a great OS in a room filled with one incredibly large table
> and people seated all around it and not much additional room?
>
> And I myself had an experience with a room that was actually not a
> meeting room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow. And when I put
> chairs in sort of an arc facing a wall (with many 'concentric' rows out
> to the sides) the fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs had
> to be locked together.
>
> In each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully. I am sure in
> all our cases we 'fought' like crazy to get a better room, but these were
> the rooms we were given. And so I'm sure that in each of our cases we
> thought very carefully about the design, and adjusted in the most
> creative ways, and carried intention and vision, and imagined and
> indicated a circle even when there may not have been one (it helps to put
> the signs all around the room and to indicate them as you explain
> principles and law to further the circle feeling even in a long space, I
> have found).
>
> And in each of these cases, people got themselves to the location that
> was created for them to write and announce their topics, they got to
> wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, and they held
> their discussions all around the room - amazingly, clustering up in
> little circles even in locked-down chairs - it's a natural way to
> converse, in circles.
>
> So I say just do all the things you know to do, think of the best way
> possible to use the space you have, and then enjoy all that Open Space.
>
> Lisa
>
> ___________________________
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> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
> O p e n i n g S p a c e
> 2325 Oregon
> Berkeley, California
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> www.openingspace.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Claudia
> Haack
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 8:46 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Desperately seeking...
>
>
> Desperately seeking.
>
> ..a solution to a space issue.
>
> Here is the situation:
>
> We are planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people.
> To imagine the setting - imagine classical ballroom, very large oval,
> with a terrace going around the edge. Then divide the room in thirds,
> keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge rooms. One
> of which is ours (with a total capacity of 750 people theatre style)
> with these challenges:
> § It is shaped like a fan.
> § The "outer" rim of approximately 44 feed across is about 2
> feet higher than the "inner" fan.
> § The "outer" rim is separated from the lower space by a metal
> and glass railing.
> § While the inner space has a very high ceiling, the outer/upper
> space does not.
> If an open space of at least 35 to 40 feet is created on the lower part
> (the only part where you could create an open space) only about 2
> concentric circles can be created accommodating about 120 people. The
> remainder of the rows would be only half-circles or half-ovals, following
> the shape of the terrace.
>
> Has anybody ever had a similar situation? What are your thoughts? The
> space appears to be so awkward and unaccommodating for open space, with
> stairs and railings, and limited opportunity to actually create something
> that resembles circles. Maybe I just worry too much about the space and
> the right people will come (and stay?!) and make a circle? Maybe it is
> really important to have circles and "fan-shaped" just isn't going to
> work?
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Claudia
>
> Triune Milagro - Madison
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> <DIV>Harrison, </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV>You wrote:</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Just make it a circle in your mind.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>And so I did. The image in my mind transformed from an
> awkward,=
> =20
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> =
> for=20
> 300 attendees. Your assurances have greatly relieved our clients, as
> =
> well=20
> as Christine and myself.</DIV>
> <DIV>Thanks, Claudia</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:17:06 -0400 Harrison Owen <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:hhowen at comcast.net">hhowen at comcast.net</A>>
> writes:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Tansformation ? Sounds great -- but what do
> you=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD =20
> 20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website <A=20
> href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A></DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
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> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>=
> From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dclaudiahb at juno.com href=3D"mailto:claudiahb at juno.com">=
> Claudia=20
> Haack</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> title=3DOSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.=
> BOISESTATE.EDU</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005
> 5:58=
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> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately=20
> seeking...</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>Well, in that case you have just witnessed a complete=20
> transformation. What Fan?</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
> <DIV>Triune Milagro - Madison</DIV>
> <DIV>608.288.8315</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:01:11 -0400 Harrison Owen <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:hhowen at comcast.net">hhowen at comcast.net</A>>
> writes:</=
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Not to worry! it will work perfect!! Go with
> =
> the two=20
> concentric circles -- fanning out the rest-- and it will "seem" like
> =
> a=20
> circle. Above everything else, don't appologize, explain, justify,&=
> nbsp;=20
> -- mortify . Just do it. Would choose this space ? NO! -- will it =
> work?=20
> Definitely. Just make it a circle in your mind.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Harrison</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV>Harrison Owen<BR>7808 River Falls Dr.<BR>Potomac, MD =20
> 20854<BR>USA<BR>301-365-2093<BR>207-763-3261 (summer)<BR>website
> <A=20
> href=3D"http://www.openspaceworld.com">www.openspaceworld.com</A></=
> DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> <DIV=20
> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black">=
> <B>From:</B>=20
> <A title=3Dclaudiahb at juno.com href=3D"mailto:claudiahb at juno.com">=
> Claudia=20
> Haack</A> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
> title=3DOSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=20
> href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.=
> BOISESTATE.EDU</A>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 20, 2005
> =
> 2:59=20
> PM</DIV>
> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Desperately=20
> seeking...</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>Thanks, Lisa for your encouragement to work with what "has =
> been=20
> given". </DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>Claudia</DIV>
> <DIV> </DIV>
> <DIV>On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:32:55 -0700 Lisa Heft <<A=20
>
> href=3D"mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net">lisaheft at openingspace.net=
> </A>>=20
> writes:</DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER-LEFT: #=
> 000000 2px solid">
> <DIV class=3DSection1>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">Claudia=20
> =96 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">You=20
> wrote about your upcoming OS with 300 people in a fan-shaped=20
> room:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
> 12pt"=
>>Has=20
> anybody ever had a similar situation?<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>What are your
> thoughts?=
> <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The space appears to
> be=
> so=20
> awkward and unaccommodating for open space, with stairs and =
> railings,=20
> and limited opportunity to actually create something that =
> resembles=20
> circles.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Maybe I =
> just=20
> worry too much about the space and the right people will come (=
> and=20
> stay?!) and make a circle?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun:
> yes"> =
> ;=20
> </SPAN>Maybe it is really important to have circles and =93fan-=
> shaped=94=20
> just isn=92t going to work? <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">I=92m=20
> guessing you tried and tried to get it in another space but this
> =
> is=20
> the one you have been given.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">I=20
> seem to remember =85Brian Bainbridge, was it?<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
> class=3DGramE>who=
> </SPAN>=20
> spoke of a great OS in a room with theatre seating (chairs =
> attached to=20
> the floor) and a little tiny flat space up front for an agenda=20
> wall?<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And=85Bernd
> =
> <SPAN=20
> class=3DGramE>Weber,</SPAN> was it?<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN
> class=3DGramE>who=
> </SPAN>=20
> spoke of a great OS in a room filled with one incredibly large =
> table=20
> and people seated all around it and not much additional room? <=
> SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun:
> yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
>></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">And=20
> I myself had an experience with a room that was actually not a =
> meeting=20
> room but an exhibit hallway, l-o-n-g and narrow.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And when I put chairs =
> in sort=20
> of an arc facing a wall (with many =91concentric=92 rows out to =
> the sides)=20
> the fire marshals came in and said that all my chairs had to be =
> locked=20
> together.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">In=20
> each of these cases, the Open Space went beautifully. <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I am sure in all our =
> cases we=20
> =91fought=92 like crazy to get a better room, but these were the
> =
> rooms we=20
> were given.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And
> so=
> I=92m=20
> sure that in each of our cases we thought very carefully about =
> the=20
> design, and adjusted in the most creative ways, and carried =
> intention=20
> and vision, and imagined and indicated a circle even when there =
> may=20
> not have been one (it helps to put the signs all around the room
> =
> and=20
> to indicate them as you explain principles and law to further
> the=
> =20
> circle feeling even in a long space, I have found). <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun:
> yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN>=
> </FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">And=20
> in each of these cases, people got themselves to the location =
> that was=20
> created for them to write and announce their topics, they got to=
> =20
> wherever the agenda wall was set up to post their topics, and =
> they=20
> held their discussions all around the room =96 amazingly, =
> clustering up=20
> in little circles even in locked-down chairs =96 it=92s a
> natural=
> way to=20
> converse, in circles.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">So=20
> I say just do all the things you know to do, think of the best =
> way=20
> possible to use the space you have, and then enjoy all that Open=
> =20
> Space=85<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'">Lisa<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">___________________________</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
> color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
> style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
> FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><B style=3D"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><=
> FONT=20
> face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-=
> FAMILY: 'Trebuchet MS'; mso-no-proof: yes; mso-bidi-font-weight:
> normal">L=
> =20
> i s a<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>H e f=
> =20
> t<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblue =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
> MS=
> '; mso-no-proof: yes">Consultant,=20
> Facilitator, Educator<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblue =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet
> MS=
> '; mso-no-proof: yes">O=20
> p e n i n g<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>S p a
> =
> c=20
> e<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">2325=20
> Oregon<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">Berkeley,=20
> California<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">94705-1106<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> =20
> </SPAN>USA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes">+01=20
> 510 548-8449<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes"><A=20
> href=3D"mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net"><FONT color=3Dblack><=
> SPAN=20
> style=3D"COLOR:
> black">lisaheft at openingspace.net</SPAN></FONT></A=
>></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
> color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
> style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
> FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'; mso-no-proof: yes"><A=20
> href=3D"http://www.openingspace.net"><FONT color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
> style=3D"COLOR: black">www.openingspace.net</SPAN></FONT></A>=20
> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS" color=3Dblack =
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Trebuchet =
> MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D=
> Tahoma=20
> size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
> Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT:
> bold">From:</SPAN>=
> </B>=20
> OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] <B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Claudia=20
> Haack<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> =
> Monday,=20
> June 20, 2005 8:46 AM<BR><B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
> OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU<BR><B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Desperately=20
> seeking...</SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></=
> DIV>
> <DIV>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Desperately=20
> seeking=85<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
> 12pt"=
>>=85.a=20
> solution to a space issue. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
> 12pt"=
>>Here is=20
> the situation:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
> 12pt"=
>>We are=20
> planning a one day Open Space event for about 300 people.<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></=
> FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
> face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE:
> 12pt"=
>>To imagine=20
> the setting =96 imagine classical ballroom, very large oval,
> with=
> a=20
> terrace going around the edge. <SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then divide the room in
> =
> thirds,=20
> keeping a central almost square area and two fan-shaped edge=20
> rooms.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>One of =
> which is=20
> ours (with a total capacity of<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun:
> yes">&=
> nbsp;=20
> </SPAN>750 people theatre style) with these=20
> challenges:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=
> font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:
> =
> Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"
> size=
> =3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> &=
> nbsp; =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>It is shaped like a=
> =20
> fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=
> font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:
> =
> Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"
> size=
> =3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> &=
> nbsp; =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim
> =
> of=20
> approximately 44 feed across is about 2<SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>feet higher than the =
> =93inner=94=20
> fan.<o:p></o:p></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=
> font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:
> =
> Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"
> size=
> =3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> &=
> nbsp; =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>The =93outer=94 rim
> =
> is=20
> separated<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>from
> the=
> lower=20
> space by a metal and glass railing. <o:p></o:p></P>
> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20
> style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 =
> level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT=20
> face=3DWingdings size=3D2><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-fareast-=
> font-family: Wingdings; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-family:
> =
> Wingdings"><SPAN=20
> style=3D"mso-list: Ignore">=A7<FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"
> size=
> =3D1><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> &=
> nbsp; =20
> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>While the inner =
> space has=20
> a very high ceiling, the outer/upper space does not.
> <o:p></o:p><=
> /P>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:34:49 -0400
> From: Jaime Pedreros <jpedrerosf at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: OS research
>
> Hello John!
>
> You, as well as everybody on the list, are happily welcome to post
> requests. Sharing waht one knows is a way of "opening your inner
> space". Good luck
>
> Jaime
>
> 2005/6/20, john engle <englejohn at hotmail.com>:
>> thank you very much, jaime! i really appreciate you taking the time to
>> communicate this. i was not aware of this information and am going to
>> check
>> it out tomorrow.
>>
>> again, thank you for writing and please forgive me for taking so long to
>> respond.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>
>> john
>>
>>
>> http://JohnEngle.blogspot.com - Reflections about Haiti, life, and our
>> work.
>> http://JohnEngle.info
>> http://TheExperiment.info
>>
>> >From: Jaime Pedreros <jpedrerosf at gmail.com>
>> >Reply-To: Jaime Pedreros <jpedrerosf at gmail.com>
>> >To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> >Subject: Re: OS research
>> >Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:14:51 -0400
>> >
>> >Hello John,
>> >
>> >I enteres the OST web site i.e. www.openspaceworld.org If you go to
>> >"other collections of facilitation resources" will find the Doersam
>> >Clark overview. In the Powerpoint presentation, (3Mb) there is a
>> >slide showing a table that compares personal and organizational
>> >change; one of them has been proposed by Harrison Owen and the other
>> >one by an author whose name I do not remember. If you search something
>> >more about this author, you may enrich your perspective about change
>> >and perhaps some other research results would arise.
>> >
>> >Good luck!
>> >
>> >Jaime
>> >
>> >
>> >On 6/15/05, john engle <englejohn at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > dear os listers,
>> > >
>> > > i have a friend who is working on her doctorate and considering using
>> > > OS
>> >in
>> > > personal and organizational transformation as the theme of her study.
>> >she
>> > > has been the director of a nonprofit organization working in
>> > > innercity
>> > > Philadelphia for ten years and feels that Open Space is key to the
>> > > work
>> > > going to a new level.
>> > >
>> > > Is there a page where links to all OS research can be found?
>> > >
>> > > I've just spent about 15 minutes looking and couldn't find it. Sure
>> >would
>> > > be
>> > > great if there is one and it's quickly accessible to anyone.
>> > >
>> > > thanks!
>> > >
>> > > john engle
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > http://JohnEngle.blogspot.com - Reflections about Haiti, life, and
>> > > our
>> > > work.
>> > > http://JohnEngle.info
>> > > http://TheExperiment.info
>> > >
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:46:59 -0400
> From: Diane Gibeault <diane.gibeault at rogers.com>
> Subject: OST Practitioner in Indonesia
>
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> I've received from a Centre for Community Empowerment Studies in
> Indonesia,
> a request for help to use OST with villagers. I looked at the OSWorld map
> but no Indonesia practitioners are listed. Does anyone have names of
> people
> in Indonesia or countries nearby that I could suggest so they might be
> able
> to connect more easily.
> Diane
>
> Diane Gibeault CPF / FPA
>
> Diane Gibeault & Associé.es-Associates
>
> www.dianegibeault.com
>
> diane.gibeault at rogers.com Ottawa Canada (613) 744-2638
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:24:08 +0300
> From: Funda Oral <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
> Subject: turkish at osworld.org web page
>
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> Please be informed that OST explained in turkish is now at your service
> at www.openspaceworld.org
>
> I want to thank to,
>
> Ozge who helped me with the translation, and says that she supports me
> with
> this
> Open Space Dream although she thinks that my efforts are similar to Don
> Quichote's
>
> Filiz, who carefully edited and corrected the text.
>
> Okan, who helped me to solve many technical problems easily
>
> and finally Michael Herman, who uploaded, re-uploaded again and again,
> helped patiently with some stubborn turkish letters and who even had to
> learn some
> turkish at the end.
>
> Sincerely,
> Funda
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:59:35 EDT
> From: Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Hello from Sweden
>
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> Agneta--
>
> Thanks for your story--it made me laugh, too. It must be the ultimate in
> transparency for the facilitator to grab her nap in full view of all
> participants--as Harrison says, they will know they did it all themselves!
>
> It's a cloudy day here today, the solstice, but yesterday was gloriously
> hot
> and sunny--we planted herbs, took a look to see where to plant some
> flowers,
> and the evening was so warm and lovely that I was out pruning bushes until
> the
> moon came up, looking incredibly big and bright. A good start to summer!
>
> Joelle
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:01:45 -0400
> From: Jennifer Hurley <JLHurley at hfadesign.com>
> Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups
>
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>> From my experience as a participant in an Open Space of 700 or 800, I
>> would
>> endorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up at the wall. It was hard
>> to
>> get close enough to the wall posters to read or write. The large screen
>> will
>> help with the reading, so it will not be necessary for everyone to get to
>> the
>> wall at the start.
>
> I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up at the
> wall. It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall. Instead, I
> have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the discussion circles are.
> Does
> anyone have a good reason for asking people to sign up at the wall?
>
> Thanks,
> Jennifer Hurley
> -------------------------------
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> ll?<BR>
> <BR>
> Thanks,<BR>
> Jennifer Hurley<BR>
> -------------------------------<BR>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:36:23 -0700
> From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups
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> with=
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> =20
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> =20
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> If you do with the eBB, then have the paper wall too...there is nothing
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> Also I don't do sign ups per se, although often groups will figure that's=
> =20
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>
> Chris
>
> On 6/21/05, Jennifer Hurley <JLHurley at hfadesign.com> wrote:
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>> any=
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>> Thanks,
>> Jennifer Hurley
>> -------------------------------
>> Hurley~Franks and Associates
>> Planning & Urban Design
>>=20
>> 1429 Walnut St., Ste. 601
>> Philadelphia, PA 19102
>>=20
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> I have used an electronic bulletin board once, a huge one. The
> problem with it is that everyone can comment on the agenda from their
> seats and you actually miss out on the chaos of standing at the
> wall. Also there is something to the physical act of actually
> putting your topic up that breeds responsibility, rather than just
> throwing it out there for someone else to type into a grid. <br>
> <br>
> If you do with the eBB, then have the paper wall too...there is nothing
> lik=
> e the buzz <br>
> <br>
> Also I don't do sign ups per se, although often groups will figure
> that's what they are supposed to do at the wall. Sometimes it
> happens, sometimes not. I am pretty strict about asking conveners
> to put their names on their topics though...again, passion bounded by
> responsibility and it makes it easier to find people when sessions are
> wanting to be changed.<br>
> <br>
> Chris<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 6/21/05, <b
> class=3D"gmail=
> _sendername">Jennifer Hurley</b> <<a
> href=3D"mailto:JLHurley at hfadesign.c=
> om">JLHurley at hfadesign.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote
> class=3D"gmail_=
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>
>
>
>
> <font face=3D"Verdana"><span style=3D"font-size: 10px;">On 6/16/05 12:33
> AM=
> , "Joelle Lyons Everett" <<a
> href=3D"mailto:JLEShelton at aol.com=
> " target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return
> top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)=
> ">JLEShelton at aol.com
> </a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> </span></font><blockquote><span style=3D"font-size: 10px;"><font
> face=3D"Ge=
> neva">From
> my experience as a participant in an Open Space of 700 or 800, I would
> endorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up at the wall.
> It was hard to get close enough to the wall posters to read
> or write. The large screen will help with the reading, so
> it will not be necessary for everyone to get to the wall at the start.<br>
> </font></span></blockquote></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10px;"><font
> fa=
> ce=3D"Verdana"><br>
> I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up at
> the wall. It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall.
> Instead, I have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the
> discussion circles are. Does anyone have a good reason for asking
> people to sign up at the wall?<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Jennifer Hurley<br>
> -------------------------------<br>
> Hurley~Franks and Associates<br>
> Planning & Urban Design<br>
> <br>
> 1429 Walnut St., Ste. 601<br>
> Philadelphia, PA 19102<br>
> <br>
> P: 215-988-9440<br>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:08:31 +0200
> From: "Pannwitz, Michael M" <mmpanne at boscop.de>
> Subject: Re: OST Practitioner in Indonesia
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> Dear Diane,
> if you go to Singapore on the world map
> (its a tiny dot at the very bottom of Malaysia that you can hardly
> see with your naked eye, so use the zoom to see it)
> which I think is the closest place to Indonesia
> you will find Doug and Prabu there.
> Wouldnt be in the least surprised if they could not help you.
>
> (Just received this note on what the world map is good for and other
> great news from Marina Tyasto who usually hangs out in Siberia:
> Dear Michael,
>
> Do you know that I've met Funda through your Map and invited her to
> do OST
> meeting at the 7th Global Leadership Forum in Istanbul where we
> already
> planned to do it with Jan Secor. Thank you for including Turkey in my
> info.
> Funda told me that other Turkish ospaicers live out of Turkey - I
> think in
> Germany.
> I'd like to use this opportunity to tell that i was doing many OST
> this year
> with different groups of state and municipal servants of Siberia and
> also
> with administration and faculty of my Academy. And I have two orders
> for the
> FSC for August-September - for SAPA (Siberian Academy for Public
> Administration) and Strategic planning of the Iskitim district
> (Novosibirsk
> region). Will report when happened.
> I'd love to go to Halifax, but before I'll try to go to Bethlehem for
> the
> Peace trees Project at Hope Flowers school with the Earthstewards
> Network
> Annual Gathering. If I could manage both - two problems - visas and
> money
> for airfare. Wish is my fuel. Hope to move forward.
> When and where we'll drink coffee with you, Michael? Love,
>
> Marina
>
> greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
>
>
>
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> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
> ++49-30-772 8000
> www.boscop.de www.michaelmpannwitz.de
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> <FONT FACE="Times New Roman" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="3" POINTSIZE="12"
> DEFAULT="SIZE">Dear Diane,<BR>
>
> if you go to Singapore on the world map<BR>
>
> (its a tiny dot at the very bottom of Malaysia that you can hardly see
> with your naked eye, so use the zoom to see it)<BR>
>
> which I think is the closest place to Indonesia<BR>
>
> you will find Doug and Prabu there.<BR>
>
> Wouldnt be in the least surprised if they could not help you.<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> (Just received this note on what the world map is good for and other great
> news from Marina Tyasto who usually hangs out in Siberia:<BR>
>
> Dear Michael,<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> Do you know that I've met Funda through your Map and invited her to do
> OST<BR>
>
> meeting at the 7th Global Leadership Forum in Istanbul where we
> already<BR>
>
> planned to do it with Jan Secor. Thank you for including Turkey in my
> info.<BR>
>
> Funda told me that other Turkish ospaicers live out of Turkey - I think
> in<BR>
>
> Germany.<BR>
>
> I'd like to use this opportunity to tell that i was doing many OST this
> year<BR>
>
> with different groups of state and municipal servants of Siberia and
> also<BR>
>
> with administration and faculty of my Academy. And I have two orders for
> the<BR>
>
> FSC for August-September - for SAPA (Siberian Academy for Public<BR>
>
> Administration) and Strategic planning of the Iskitim district
> (Novosibirsk<BR>
>
> region). Will report when happened.<BR>
>
> I'd love to go to Halifax, but before I'll try to go to Bethlehem for
> the<BR>
>
> Peace trees Project at Hope Flowers school with the Earthstewards
> Network<BR>
>
> Annual Gathering. If I could manage both - two problems - visas and
> money<BR>
>
> for airfare. Wish is my fuel. Hope to move forward.<BR>
>
> When and where we'll drink coffee with you, Michael? Love,<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> Marina<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> greetings from Berlin<BR>
>
> mmp<BR>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:22:30 +0200
> From: "Pannwitz, Michael M" <mmpanne at boscop.de>
> Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups
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> Dear Jennifer,
> here is what I tell people when I invite them to go up to the
> bulletin board with the possibility of signing up:
>
> "In a minute, the market place opens. When you go there you might be
> confronted with various challenges. One is, that you want to go to
> two sessions that are posted for the same beginning time. Dont
> despair, just go to the convener and discuss with them moving it to
> another time so that you can attend. If they are unwilling you might
> offer them something they cant really turn down very easily, like a
> couple of martinis at the bar. If that does not do the trick, you
> might decide to bumble bee between the two groups or be so mad to
> decide to go to neither and rather take a break...or you just make a
> decision. If you yourself are the convener of those two issues, well,
> just discuss it with yourself.
> After that sign in. Just jot down your name on all the sheets your
> are interested in. This does not commit you in any way.
> When you are through with that, have another look. If you signed for
> an issue and find that there are lots of people there and you are
> scared of large groups you might just forget about that one. Or if
> you see the names of certain people that you know you would greatly
> enjoy being in a group with, go there. Some of you might want to jot
> down all the times and places on a separate sheet for your own
> orientation, others will go to the bulletin board after each session
> and make a decision about their next move."
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
> --Original Message Text---
> From: Jennifer Hurley
> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:01:45 -0400
>
> Re: Timing for really large groups On 6/16/05 12:33 AM, "Joelle Lyons
> Everett" <JLEShelton at aol.com> wrote:
>
> From my experience as a participant in an Open Space of 700 or 800, I
> would endorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up at the wall. It
> was hard to get close enough to the wall posters to read or write.
> The large screen will help with the reading, so it will not be
> necessary for everyone to get to the wall at the start.
>
>
> I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up
> at the wall. It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall.
> Instead, I have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the discussion
> circles are. Does anyone have a good reason for asking people to
> sign up at the wall?
>
> Thanks,
> Jennifer Hurley
> -------------------------------
> Hurley~Franks and Associates
> Planning & Urban Design
>
> 1429 Walnut St., Ste. 601
> Philadelphia, PA 19102
>
> P: 215-988-9440
> JLHurley at HFAdesign.com
> http://www.hfadesign.com
>
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>
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> <FONT FACE="Times New Roman" DEFAULT="FACE"><FONT SIZE="3" POINTSIZE="12"
> DEFAULT="SIZE">Dear Jennifer,<BR>
>
> here is what I tell people when I invite them to go up to the bulletin
> board with the possibility of signing up:<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> "In a minute, the market place opens. When you go there you might be
> confronted with various challenges. One is, that you want to go to two
> sessions that are posted for the same beginning time. Dont despair, just
> go to the convener and discuss with them moving it to another time so that
> you can attend. If they are unwilling you might offer them something they
> cant really turn down very easily, like a couple of martinis at the bar.
> If that does not do the trick, you might decide to bumble bee between the
> two groups or be so mad to decide to go to neither and rather take a
> break...or you just make a decision. If you yourself are the convener of
> those two issues, well, just discuss it with yourself.<BR>
>
> After that sign in. Just jot down your name on all the sheets your are
> interested in. This does not commit you in any way.<BR>
>
> When you are through with that, have another look. If you signed for an
> issue and find that there are lots of people there and you are scared of
> large groups you might just forget about that one. Or if you see the names
> of certain people that you know you would greatly enjoy being in a group
> with, go there. Some of you might want to jot down all the times and
> places on a separate sheet for your own orientation, others will go to the
> bulletin board after each session and make a decision about their next
> move."<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> Greetings from Berlin<BR>
>
> mmp<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> --Original Message Text---<BR>
>
> <B>From:</B> Jennifer Hurley<BR>
>
> <B>Date:</B> Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:01:45 -0400<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> Re: Timing for really large groups <FONT FACE="Verdana">On 6/16/05 12:33
> AM, "Joelle Lyons Everett" <JLEShelton at aol.com> wrote:<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> <FONT FACE="Geneva">From my experience as a participant in an Open Space
> of 700 or 800, I would endorse Lisa's suggestion to skip the sign-up at
> the wall. It was hard to get close enough to the wall posters to read or
> write. The large screen will help with the reading, so it will not be
> necessary for everyone to get to the wall at the start.<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> <FONT FACE="Verdana"><BR>
>
> I have never really understood the purpose of having people sign up at the
> wall. It seems cumbersome to have people write on the wall. Instead, I
> have been putting sign-up sheets wherever the discussion circles are.
> Does anyone have a good reason for asking people to sign up at the
> wall?<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> Thanks,<BR>
>
> Jennifer Hurley<BR>
>
> -------------------------------<BR>
>
> Hurley~Franks and Associates<BR>
>
> Planning & Urban Design<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> 1429 Walnut St., Ste. 601<BR>
>
> Philadelphia, PA 19102<BR>
>
> <BR>
>
> P: 215-988-9440<BR>
>
> JLHurley at HFAdesign.com<BR>
>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:39:34 -0400
> From: Larry Peterson <larry at spiritedorg.com>
> Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups
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> I have not changed the process much for really large groups even in
> really small time frames. I do have everyone go up to the wall. To me
> it is an essential part of OST. Unlike Lisa, I do have one line and
> have individuals announce topics from that big long line. I do "guide"
> that part of the process. When people go to the wall, and see what has
> emerged as agenda is when the "chaos" strikes and they collectively and
> individually take "control" of the session from that point on. Asking
> people to "sign up" is about engaging people in choice amongst more
> options than they can usually manage. It substantially reinforces the
> principles and law that they must manage their own energy, take
> responsibility for their own passion (in addition to that of the
> initiator) - choose a topic or to be a bumble bee or butter fly. It is
> intentionally chaotic - it is moving to the edge of chaos where you
> cannot predict the outcomes. It fosters collective consciousness that
> if we are to deal with this complex agenda we must discover how to go
> with the flow of what emerges - and that no one will manage this for us.
> I think that best happens at the wall rather than at the announcing of
> topics.
>
> Together with others, we recently did 14 OST events in three weeks with
> form 300 to 500 participants with a full convergence in a day. Not
> ideal, but it worked! And they all went to the wall and chose (and many
> signed up).
>
> Larry
>
> Larry Peterson
> Associates in Transformation
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> recently
> did 14 OST events in three weeks with form 300 to 500 participants with =
> a full convergence
> in a day.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Not ideal, but =
> it worked!<span
> style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>And they all went to the wall =
> and chose
> (and many signed up).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:55:29 EDT
> From: Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Timing for really large groups
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> Jennifer--
>
> I agree with much of what has been said about "why sign up at the wall?"
> It
> physically involves people in making choices, making commitments, the
> emergence of meaning out of chaos. Although a signature on the session
> poster is
> not really a commitment, it does give the convenor a clue to whether the
> group
> might be closer to 2 or 22. I'm very much in favor of processes that get
> people physically into the action, rather than have them on the sidelines
> thinking
> about why this is not going to work!
>
> Joelle
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> p; It physically involves people in making choices, making commitments,
> the=
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> sessi=
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> of=
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> them=
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> Joelle<BR>
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> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:13:27 +1000
> From: John Rapp <john.rapp at peithene.com>
> Subject: Re: OST Practitioner in Indonesia
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> I have done some OST in Indonesia (with lawyers, not villagers), but am =
> now based in Seattle. Patrick Lambe from Singapore will get you =
> connected: enquiries at straitsknowledge.com. John
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Diane =
> Gibeault
> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:47 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: OST Practitioner in Indonesia
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>
> I've received from a Centre for Community Empowerment Studies in =
> Indonesia, a request for help to use OST with villagers. I looked at the =
> OSWorld map but no Indonesia practitioners are listed. Does anyone have =
> names of people in Indonesia or countries nearby that I could suggest so =
> they might be able to connect more easily.=20
>
> Diane=20
>
> Diane Gibeault CPF / FPA =20
>
> Diane Gibeault & Associ=E9.es-Associates
>
> www.dianegibeault.com <http://www.dianegibeault.com/> =20
>
> diane.gibeault at rogers.com <mailto:diane.gibeault at rogers.com> Ottawa =
> Canada (613) 744-2638
>
> Facilitation and Training in Support of Transformation
> Facilitation et formation en appui =E0 la transformation
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> =20
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> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D093051205-22062005><FONT =
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> color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I have done some OST in Indonesia (with =
> lawyers, not=20
> villagers), but am now based in Seattle. Patrick Lambe from =
> Singapore will=20
> get you connected: <A=20
> href=3D"mailto:enquiries at straitsknowledge.com">enquiries at straitsknowledge=
> .com</A>. =20
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> <DIV></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN class=3D500213715-21062005><FONT =
> size=3D2>I've received=20
> from <FONT color=3D#000000><SPAN=20
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> color=3D#000000 size=3D2>a Centre for Community Empowerment Studies in =
> Indonesia, a=20
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> the=20
> OSWorld map but no Indonesia practitioners are listed. Does anyone have =
> names of=20
> people in Indonesia or countries nearby that I could suggest so they =
> might be=20
> able to connect more easily. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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> color=3D#000080><FONT size=3D2>Diane Gibeault </FONT><FONT size=3D1>CPF =
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> lang=3DFR-CA=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: =
> FR-CA"><SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3DSpellE><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN =
>
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><SPAN=20
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> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><SPAN lang=3DFR-CA=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: =
> FR-CA"><SPAN><STRONG><SPAN=20
> class=3DSpellE>Diane Gibeault</SPAN> & <SPAN=20
> class=3DSpellE>Associ=E9.es-Associates</SPAN></STRONG></SPAN></SPAN></o:p=
>></SPAN></SPAN></o:p></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P>
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