London calling--long reply

[EJE Spady]

Funda-
How can you say that the leaders of the G8 (or your leaders) are not wise?
They wouldn't be in the positions they are in if they were not wise.  That
isn't to say that they make no mistakes.  They are human.  I am 'beyond
baffled' at your shallow comment.

Also, remember that Fahrenheit 9/11 is a Hollywood flick.  Hardly
factual...and Michael Moore isn't exactly, a leader.  He makes the big bucks
because people like yourself buy into his irrational philosophies.

As for your last comment, I guess you are trying to say that the "men in
power" (the G8 leaders and your own) are the ones responsible for the
terrorist attacks of 9/11, Spain and now London...............what
the????????  You are entitled to your own thoughts/beliefs but they are
about as far from reality as any I have ever heard!!!

Keep smokin'.............
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  Paul,

  Ok, i agree we can discuss the truths and rules imposed on us by all the
religions. I often think that they make us sick, they separate us,
  they encourage us being enemy of each other rather then brothers. Or
maybe, not the religions but the leaders do so.

  Jon,

  Thank you for keeping us informed and sharing with us what is happening in
London but I am very doubtful that your (G8) leaders are wise
  as mentioned in your mail. Our leaders are not wise either.

  But even worse, i am afraid they cooperate more to be in power rather then
for the benefit of all the human beings and the world.

  Did anyone watch Fahrenheit 9/11?....What i saw there was; some men in
power (religious, business leaders) from all the religions
  coming together to play with the rest of the world.

  If we look around carefully to find who is responsible of what is
happening, I don't think the answer is  "a bunch of terrorists"

  Funda

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    Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 9:37 AM
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    In a message dated 7/8/05 11:10:06 PM, chris.corrigan at gmail.com writes:



      I don't usually weigh in on stuff like this, and I'm sure others will
tan your hide for it, but Paul, I have to stand in front of the rash
generalizations you are making about "Muslims."



    Sorry, Chris, I don't regard those as "rash generalizations", Friedman
is correct, NO high order Muslim from any Muslim nation has issued a fatwa
on bin Laden and his followers.  By that I mean someone of the stature that
issued the fatwa against Salman Rushdie for publishing a book they deemed
defamed Muhammad.  The Muslim Islamic cleric leader of Iran.

    And, of course, you are correct.  There are millions of Muslims who
abhor what is happening.  They want peace, too.  They want a life of
freedom, economic security, etc., why else would they leave their repressive
homelands to come to the Western nations?  Friedman's point (and mine) is
unless IMPORTANT people of the leadership of Muslim nations start to speak
out in loud, consistent tones that such is not part of the Koran (Ch. 5, v.
32; ch. 17, v. 33 according to an Immam I heard on the news tonight) and
their societies begin to isolate and negate these people, we are in for a
very bad time, indeed.

    You may be enlightened, but I will predict that if this goes on, and
gets worse, large numbers of people will not be acting in an enlightened
manner.  We all know about the 'tipping point'.  It happens in societies,
too.  It CAN happen here. Imagine the reaction of even a very large minority
to a WMD incident in a major Western nation.  It won't be pretty.

    Finally, there is much that can be done to avoid Huntington's Thesis,
but it takes a long time, a long time, and will take something along the
line of Martin Luther's 95 Theses within Islam before we will see a genuine
rapproachment between the globalizing West and the Islamic world.  I believe
we need to see the world as it is, not as we wish it was, and take steps
accordingly.

    Sincerely,

    Paul Everett

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