Crarification about Religion (was: Re: [OSLIST] Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa

Funda Oral fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr
Sun Jan 16 22:25:28 PST 2005


Joelle and Artur, i agree with all these ideas and worries. 

and i don't think such thing as "absolute truth" exists.   
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  From: Artur Silva 
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  Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 1:41 AM
  Subject: Re: Crarification about Religion (was: Re: [OSLIST] Opening a Space for Peace in Burundi & Central Africa


  Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com> wrote: 

    In a message dated 1/16/05 4:59:26 AM, arturfsilva at yahoo.com writes:


      (1) that a lot of harm have been historically done - and is currently being done - in the name of religion; (2) some religious people - but not all - have a tendency to think that  they are in "direct contact" with god and that gives them reason in matters that are not matters of faith (like war, methodologies, etc); (3) in some cases the declaration of one's own religiousness is used as a "marketing tool" to sell ideas or services.



    I am in complete agreement with your first and third point.  And with your second point as well, but I observe that many people who are not religious also feel that they are in direct contact with the truth, and that truth should apply to everyone else.&nb! sp; Whether this comes from their atheism, their strong belief in science, or their training in any profession, I object to their assumption that this should be imposed on everyone in the world.

    Joelle



  I completely agree with you, Joelle.

  But, in what concerns atheism, it is really a matter of faith - so when atheism confronts any religion (or is confronted by any religion) we have a "confront of faiths" and neither dialog, nor discussion are possible. The only possibility seems to me to acknowledge and respect the differences and decide not to discuss any further.

  Now,  in what concerns science, at least in the conceptions of science that I cherish (Popper, Khun, Feyerabend,...)  there is no absolute "truth" one can be in contact with - there are only relative truths, that will be bypassed one day. And the work of science (or philosophy, for that matter) is always to try "to dis-confirm" the accepted truths of the moment. That "dis-confirmation process" is indeed very similar to always try to discover "one more thing not to do" (or believe). I think.

  Finally, no "truth" can never be imposed to anyone. So, I don't worry about people that try to impose a truth to others by discussion. They will always fail. The other only accepts what he can recreate as his own truth. What concerns me is when some "truth" is imposed by way of killing or imprisoning all the opponents...

  Regards

  Artur




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