Is trust a part of open space?
Bea Kisszolosi
beahun at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 1 02:47:31 PST 2005
Dear All,
I red all comments on 'TRUST' today. My immediate idea was is there any
difference in TRUST in OS or in TRUST in life.
Who ever comes to OS have some kind of trust. They appeared, they have trust
in something/someone.
I believe that TRUST is something will come trough our honest, true
personalyty, passion, believes as in any part of the life.
What is interesting, how my natural trust can be destroyed and rebuilt.
What are the moment in OS, when trust is dissappearing for a while and how
OS principles supporting to rebuild it.
Bea
>From: Filiz Telek <FTelek at HFHI.org>
>Reply-To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
>To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Is trust a part of open space?
>Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:16:43 -0500
>
>Thank you Jack, this was the exact point about trust that I wanted to point
>out…
>
>One is fully present and open to the experience and others (a.k.a. trusting
>the flow and others) when one is comfortable within himself/herself…when
>one is centered, it doesn’t matter in whatever situation one ends
>up…there is no fear of any particular outcome.
>
>Well then, my question is, what can an OS facilitator do to bring people to
>that state if anything at all?
>
>Filiz
>
>
>
>From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jack
>Ricchiuto
>Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:36 AM
>To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>Subject: Re: Is trust a part of open space?
>
>
>
>When I participate in open space, how I trust myself becomes profound
>factor in how I engage with my community. I trust that my ability to learn
>will support new conversations, I trust that my capacity for compassion
>will support my listening deeply. I trust that my commitment to
>self-organization will support my passion for authentic engagement.
>
>
>
>My interest in trust is around the question of how we can help create the
>conditions in which people can more deeply experience trust in themselves,
>without which trust of others is less possible.
>
>
>
>Jack
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>
>
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>jack ricchiuto
>
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> ------------Original Message------------
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> From: Therese Fitzpatrick <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
>
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
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> Date: Mon, Jan-31-2005 10:15 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Is trust a part of open space?
>
> Thanks, folks.
>
>
>
> I have been teasing out some of my own internal processes and I needed
>
> to hear OS'ers talking about trust in OS. I am feeling real gratitude
>
> to 'hear' what you think.
>
>
>
> It looks, to me, that in deciding whether or not to openly voice an
>
> element like trust, it all depends on the situation.
>
>
>
> Judging when to say "trust" out loud is part of the art.
>
>
>
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> On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 02:32:46 +0200, averbuch <averbuch at post.tau.ac.il>
>wrote:
>
> > I believe trust can be both the result of an open space gathering (in at
>
> > least 90% of what I have witnessed or facilitated). and the precondition
>to
>
> > one.
>
> >
>
> > An example that comes to mind is the 3 day OS in Rome 4 years ago,
>
> > facilitated by Harrison, of Israelis and Palestinians opening space for
>the
>
> > question of:" what are the issues and challenges in building trust"...
>The
>
> > people that came didn't trust one another to begin with but they did
>care
>
> > enough to come. The wading through for three days together created some
>
> > fragile but real trust. Some people stayed in contact, most didn't, but
>all
>
> > stayed with the experience that it was and is possible to move forward
>
> > (there is a paper telling the story of what the participants thought of
>the
>
> > experience a year and a half later that was put together buy Carol
>Daniel,
>
> > Avner Haramati and myself for the POP gathering in Seattle (Whidbey).
>
> >
>
> > As I understand it the basic element of trust needed may be only one:
>
> > - thinking that it is worthwhile trusting the wisdom of self
>organization in
>
> > the sense that you "know" (deeply trust) that human kind, like any other
>
> > kind - has a collective wisdom that will be manifested if called for.
>Like
>
> > trusting the process of giving birth (yes you need to keep it clean and
>take
>
> > some measures of rest before and after, and a nap throughout won't hurt
>
> > too:)).
>
> > When I come to think of it my main road of learning the sense of
>
> > self organization over time are all of you, who became, as trust
>
> > grew and developed, my community of practice. Watching oslist showed me
>in a
>
> > very plain and simple way the dance of the visible, the lurking, the
>
> > emergent-.
>
> >
>
> > If the open space takes place in a community this basic element is
>enough
>
> > and I trust that those who care enough to come will show up and do the
>work
>
> > of the collective.
>
> >
>
> > If the open space takes place in a context of an organization I usually
>need
>
> > a second sense of trust and that is:
>
> > - that those in power and formal leadership really know that opening
>space
>
> > means sharing power/leadership, opening up to surprise - at least have
>this
>
> > intention. I am not very particular if they espier for sharing
>leadership
>
> > because of their values or because of their despair but I do mind if
>they
>
> > are genuine.
>
> >
>
> > For this second sense of trust I do preparatory work. When I smell the
>
> > reason for an OS is "a new fad" I try to stay out. I am very interested
>if
>
> > anyone cares to share: what do you do? When do you decide not to step in
>
> > even if you are asked to?
>
> > All the best
>
> > Tova
>
> >
>
> > Tova Averbuch טובה ×ורבוך
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> > 34 Rabinovitz St. רחוב רבי�וביץ 34
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> > Holon 58672 חולון
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> > Israel
>
> > 972-3-5523476
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> > averbuch at post.tau.ac.il
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> >
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> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Shay
>Ben
>
> > Yosef
>
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:16 PM
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> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
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> > Subject: {Spam?} Re: Is trust a part of open space?
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> >
>
> > Dear friends
>
> >
>
> > yes the trust is a basic element of the OS but unfortunately we can't
>force
>
> > it to be there...
>
> >
>
> > So we just have to enable it, to make the proper conditions.
>
> >
>
> > Maybe if I trust myself, trusting the sponsor, the preparation team and
>the
>
> > participants it will show up
>
> >
>
> > Thank you all for the learning opportunities I'm getting from this
>community
>
> >
>
> > Shay
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at comcast.net>
>
> > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
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> >
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> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 6:05 PM
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> > Subject: FW: Is trust a part of open space?
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> >
>
> > > From: Harrison Owen [mailto:hhowen at comcast.net]
>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 7:39 AM
>
> > > To: 'Therese Fitzpatrick'
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> > > Subject: RE: Is trust a part of open space?
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> > >
>
> > > I suppose it wouldn't hurt to ask folk to trust, but I doubt it would
>
> > > do
>
> > any
>
> > > good. A very high percentage of the time when somebody says, "Trust
>
> > > me" we think just the opposite. If you have to say it, it may not be
>
> > > there, and
>
> > if
>
> > > you have to ask for it, it may never come. The most wonderful thing
>
> > > for me is that without a word, Trust shows up (along with respect and
>
> > > hope).
>
> > After
>
> > > the fact it probably wouldn't hurt to ask folks if they noticed???
>
> > > When I
>
> > do
>
> > > this -- there is usually a gorgeous collective Ahaaah! Moment.
>
> > >
>
> > > Harrison Owen
>
> > > 7808 River Falls Drive
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> > > Potomac, Maryland 20845
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> > > Phone 301-365-2093
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
>
> > > Therese Fitzpatrick
>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 3:08 AM
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> > > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
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> > > Subject: Re: Is trust a part of open space?
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> > >
>
> > > Thanks, Allen.
>
> > >
>
> > > I see trust as part of the energy that allows open space to emerge. I
>
> > > see it as integral to all the principles and the law of two feet.
>
> > >
>
> > > Is it acceptable Open Space practice to invite participants to trust?
>
> > > Or is it best to leave trust unspoken?
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks. I'm chewing on something and I'd like to hear about
>
> > > experiences around 'trust'.
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> > >
>
> > > Therese
>
> > > (Paul: I just remembered that I am not using my name. My apologies.)
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:53:31 -0500, Alan Klein <alan at klein.net> wrote:
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> > > > Sure and it goes beyond "Trust the process", though that is
>
> > > > important. I believe that it starts (and maybe ends) with the
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> > > > facilitator trusting themselves.
>
> > > >
>
> > > > ~Alan Klein
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> > > >
>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > > From: Therese Fitzpatrick
>
> > > > I am just going to ask my question without posting what I think.
>
> > > > I'd like to hear some what some of you think about trust and open
>
> > > > space.
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> > > >
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>From Tue Feb 1 14:29:36 2005
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"...law of two feet says... ...you and only you know when you are
learning and contributing..."
seems we could add trusting, fearing and probably some other things, too...
"...job is to learn and contribute as much as you can... ...trust as
much as you can... fear as little as you can..."
...such an extended explanation might be appropriate in some places,
but mostly seems dicey to me... and just like we don't go around
monitoring, evaluating or commenting on how much people are learning
or contributing, we wouldn't want to suggest that they are not
trusting enough, or that they are fearing too much...
in the end, the lot of it is obviously present and totally
invisible... except as the law says, and jack and others mentioned...
as facilitator or participant, i can see only my own learning and
contributing, my own trusting, my own fear, my own motivations,
desires and preferences... and that's all i can comment on. seems
anything more said about trust and fear and the like risks trampling,
projecting and imposing.
michael
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 03:16:43 -0500, Filiz Telek <FTelek at hfhi.org> wrote:
>
>
> Well then, my question is, what can an OS facilitator do to bring people to
> that state if anything at all?
>
> Filiz
>
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