An OS "critique" and response
John Rapp
john.rapp at peithene.com
Sun Aug 28 11:46:32 PDT 2005
Ditto re 2t.
Thanks, All.
John
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eva P Svensson
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:06 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: SV: An OS "critique" and response
Hi there,
I wonder if someone would be so kind to explain what 2t or second-tier and meme as in green meme means?
:o)
Eva
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Till: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Ämne: Re: An OS "critique" and response
I would too! Although I realize that many folks consider 2t to be flourishing in their circles, as I recently wrote to a friend:
"Right now, it often seems that "second-tier" is merely a seed that may or may not have the conditions for existence, but it's a seed worth planting and cultivating as best we can until more favorable conditions exist. What we learn through each attempt to grow this little seed helps us create those necessary conditions for its eventual thriving...makes me think of trees...how they often sprout up regardless of whether or not we're tending, but tending can contribute so much to their growth..."
That said, my intention isn't to cultivate 2t but rather to pay attention to the most meaningful, inspired intentions folks have for themselves and offer whatever methods and resources I can to assist folks in realizing these... I figure that if folks are leading meaningful, authentic lives, 2t will pretty much take care of itself...
Regarding 2t methods as perceived within the integral/sdi community, aside from meditation, Big Mind, and various methods emphasizing (trans)personal development, there seems to be a real dearth of "2t"
methods either espoused or practiced within the integral/SDi community, and many folks are hungering for practical applications, which is why I introduced Open Space in the first place, since I happen to think that OS is founded on 2t principles even if the folks in attendance may not
always have the capacity to realize or recognize 2t...
Of course, I haven't attended any of the workshops offered by Integral Institute (www.integralinstitute.org), and haven't been following the Integral Naked (www.integralnaked.org) conversations either, so it's possible that there are existing methods that are perceived as 2t, or methods in development of which I am unaware.
If I learn of any, I'll pass these along...and likewise, please if you or anyone is aware of any, I'd be interested to learn about these.
Warm regards,
Karen
Karen Sella
www.luminacoaching.com
206.780.2998
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From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim Weidman
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:57 PM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response
i would love to know what group methods these int/sd community members consider 2t
On Aug 26, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Karen Sella wrote:
> Brilliant, Peggy!
>
> Thank you for taking the time to respond so generously and graciously
> to Steve Banks. I completely agree with you.
>
> For some time, I have offered the perspective that OS is
> "2nd-tier"---the principles of OS transcending and including all the
> potential 1st-tier interactions---to others in the Integral/SDi
> community who share this misconception that OS is a "green" method.
> I have also introduced several "Integral/SDi" folks to Open Space as
> a practical method congruent with 2nd-tier thinking that allows people
> to more readily embody/enact 2nd-tier, even convening a few Open Space
> events on their behalf, and I'm happy to say that some folks seem to
> "get it," even though there are still others who maintain that OS is
> "green."
>
> One theory I have about this misconception in the realm of integral is
> that most of the folks within the Integral/SDi communities who
> maintain that OS is "green" have either not experience Open Space or
> they have experienced Open Space where the center of gravity of the
> group in the room is green and the "integral" folks in the room are
> confusing the state/stage of the people in the room with the method...
> i.e. the fact that folks may be primarily embodying green during an
> Open Space event does not mean that the Open Space method is green,
> just like "Spiral Wizards" tailoring their interactions for the
> predominately green consciousness of an audience, does not mean that
> they, the Spiral Wizards, are operating from green consciousness...
>
> In any case, suffice it to say that I really appreciate reading your
> wonderfully articulated and educated written response.
>
> Warm regards,
> Karen
>
>
> Karen Sella
> www.luminacoaching.com
> 206.780.2998
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Peggy Holman
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:55 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response
>
> Hhmmmm, I notice the attachments aren't attached. Here are links
> instead:
>
> From Steve Banks:
> http://www.opencirclecompany.com/FromOpenSpaceToIntegralSpace.doc
>
>
> My response: http://www.opencirclecompany.com/IntegralOpenSpace.doc
>
> still sunny in Seattle,
> Peggy
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Peggy Holman
>> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:00 PM
>> Subject: [OSLIST] An OS "critique" and response
>>
>> My friend, Tom Atlee, sent me the attached doc, From Open
>> Space...egral Space.doc, by Steve Banks. It struck me as so
>> misinformed and error filled that I responded with Integral Open
>> Space.doc.
>>
>> Thought you might find both the impressions of a neophyte and my
>> response of interest.
>>
>> from sunny Seattle,
>> Peggy
>>
>> ________________________________
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>> The Open Circle Company
>> 15347 SE 49th Place
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>> (425) 746-6274
>>
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>From Sun Aug 28 12:22:00 2005
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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:22:00 -0700
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To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Chris Corrigan <chris.corrigan at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response
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> Ditto re 2t.
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> Thanks, All.
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> John
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Eva P=
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> Svensson
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:06 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: SV: An OS "critique" and response
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> Hi there,
> I wonder if someone would be so kind to explain what 2t or second-tier an=
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> :o)
> Eva
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> Eva P Svensson
> EPS Human Invest AB
> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom m=E4nniskor skapar l=E5ngsiktigt v=E4lm=E5en=
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> f=F6retag och organisationer!"
> An=E5sbergsv=E4gen 22, 439 34 ONSALA
> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil: 0706-89 85 50
> eva at epshumaninvest.se, www.epshumaninvest.se<http://www.epshumaninvest.se=
>
>=20
>=20
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fr=E5n: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] F=F6r Karen Sella
> Skickat: den 27 augusti 2005 07:58
> Till: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> =C4mne: Re: An OS "critique" and response
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> Warm regards,
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> Karen Sella
> www.luminacoaching.com <http://www.luminacoaching.com>
> 206.780.2998
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Tim=20
> Weidman
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 9:57 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response
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> i would love to know what group methods these int/sd community members=20
> consider 2t
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> On Aug 26, 2005, at 5:55 PM, Karen Sella wrote:
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> > Brilliant, Peggy!
> >=20
> > Thank you for taking the time to respond so generously and graciously
> > to Steve Banks. I completely agree with you.
> >=20
> > For some time, I have offered the perspective that OS is
> > "2nd-tier"---the principles of OS transcending and including all the
> > potential 1st-tier interactions---to others in the Integral/SDi
> > community who share this misconception that OS is a "green" method.
> > I have also introduced several "Integral/SDi" folks to Open Space as
> > a practical method congruent with 2nd-tier thinking that allows people
>=20
> > to more readily embody/enact 2nd-tier, even convening a few Open Space
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> > events on their behalf, and I'm happy to say that some folks seem to
> > "get it," even though there are still others who maintain that OS is
> > "green."
> >=20
> > One theory I have about this misconception in the realm of integral is
>=20
> > that most of the folks within the Integral/SDi communities who
> > maintain that OS is "green" have either not experience Open Space or
> > they have experienced Open Space where the center of gravity of the
> > group in the room is green and the "integral" folks in the room are
> > confusing the state/stage of the people in the room with the method...
> > i.e. the fact that folks may be primarily embodying green during an
> > Open Space event does not mean that the Open Space method is green,
> > just like "Spiral Wizards" tailoring their interactions for the
> > predominately green consciousness of an audience, does not mean that
> > they, the Spiral Wizards, are operating from green consciousness...
> >=20
> > In any case, suffice it to say that I really appreciate reading your
> > wonderfully articulated and educated written response.
> >=20
> > Warm regards,
> > Karen
> >=20
> >=20
> > Karen Sella
> > www.luminacoaching.com <http://www.luminacoaching.com>
> > 206.780.2998
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Peggy Holman
> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:55 PM
> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: An OS "critique" and response
> >=20
> > Hhmmmm, I notice the attachments aren't attached. Here are links
> > instead:
> >=20
> > From Steve Banks:
> > http://www.opencirclecompany.com/FromOpenSpaceToIntegralSpace.doc
> >=20
> >=20
> > My response: http://www.opencirclecompany.com/IntegralOpenSpace.doc
> >=20
> > still sunny in Seattle,
> > Peggy
> >=20
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Peggy Holman
> >> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:00 PM
> >> Subject: [OSLIST] An OS "critique" and response
> >>=20
> >> My friend, Tom Atlee, sent me the attached doc, From Open
> >> Space...egral Space.doc,by Steve Banks. It struckme as so
> >> misinformed and errorfilled that I responded withIntegral Open
> >> Space.doc.
> >>=20
> >> Thought you might find both the impressions of a neophyte and my
> >> response of interest.
> >>=20
> >> from sunny Seattle,
> >> Peggy
> >>=20
> >> ________________________________
> >> Peggy Holman
> >> The Open Circle Company
> >> 15347 SE 49th Place
> >> Bellevue, WA 98006
> >> (425) 746-6274
> >>=20
> >> www.opencirclecompany.com <http://www.opencirclecompany.com>
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You'll need to do some reading on Spiral Dynamics (SD) to get all this,
but essentially, as a way of looking at human development, SD is a map
in which there are several levels (or memes). They move from the
development of the earliest kinds of human societies (which tend to be
the most insular) through a gradual unfolding of individual and
collective consciouness of bigger and bigger wholes. Green meme
folks are people who value diversity and multiplicity (as opposed to
red meme, which values close tribal and family affiliations).
Green is alos the meme at which the first tier (1t) ends.<br>
<br>
The second tier of consciouness begins with the yellow meme in which
people become aware of the map and the integrity of all the previous
memes (including the potential of the ones not yet uncovered).
What distingusihes 1t from 2t, basically, is that people in 1t memes
generally can't see the benefit in other memes but their own and they
often become defensive about where they are at. In 2t,
supposedly, people CAN see all the memes and can readily include the
views of folks at all different levels. <br>
<br>
That's a short and unjust summary of Spiral Dynamics. It won't
save you the $100 you could shell out for Don Beck's book on the
subject, but it should give you a little more language for navigating
this, admittedly, esoteric conversation. <br>
<br>
<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 8/28/05, <b class=3D"gmail_send=
ername">John Rapp</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:john.rapp at peithene.com">john.ra=
pp at peithene.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
padding-left: 1ex;">
Ditto re 2t.<br><br>Thanks, All.<br><br>John<br><br>-----Original Message--=
---<br>From: OSLIST [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.ED=
U">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Eva P Svensson<br>Sent:=
Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:06 AM
<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.B=
OISESTATE.EDU</a><br>Subject: SV: An OS "critique" and response<b=
r><br>Hi there,<br>I wonder if someone would be so kind to explain what 2t =
or second-tier and meme as in green meme means?
<br>:o)<br>Eva<br><br>B=E4sta h=E4lsningar<br><br>Eva P Svensson<br>EPS Hum=
an Invest AB<br>"Verksamhetsutveckling genom m=E4nniskor skapar l=E5ng=
siktigt v=E4lm=E5ende f=F6retag och organisationer!"<br>An=E5sbergsv=
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ninvest.se">eva at epshumaninvest.se</a>, <a href=3D"http://www.eps=
humaninvest.se">www.epshumaninvest.se</a><br><br><br>-----Ursprungligt medd=
elande-----
<br>Fr=E5n: OSLIST [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU=
">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] F=F6r Karen Sella<br>Skickat: den 27 =
augusti 2005 07:58<br>Till: <a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.ED=
U">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
</a><br>=C4mne: Re: An OS "critique" and response<br><br>I
would too! Although I realize that many folks consider 2t to
be flourishing in their circles, as I recently wrote to a friend:<br><br>&q=
uot;Right
now, it often seems that "second-tier" is merely a seed that may =
or may
not have the conditions for existence, but it's a seed worth planting
and cultivating as best we can until more favorable conditions
exist. What we learn through each attempt to grow this
little seed helps us create those necessary conditions for its eventual
thriving...makes me think of trees...how they often sprout up
regardless of whether or not we're tending, but tending can contribute
so much to their growth..."<br><br>That said, my intention isn't to
cultivate 2t but rather to pay attention to the most meaningful,
inspired intentions folks have for themselves and offer whatever
methods and resources I can to assist folks in realizing these... I
figure that if folks are leading meaningful, authentic lives, 2t will
pretty much take care of itself...<br><br>Regarding 2t methods as
perceived within the integral/sdi community, aside from meditation, Big
Mind, and various methods emphasizing (trans)personal development,
there seems to be a real dearth of "2t"<br>methods either espouse=
d or
practiced within the integral/SDi community, and many folks are
hungering for practical applications, which is why I introduced Open
Space in the first place, since I happen to think that OS is founded on
2t principles even if the folks in attendance may not<br>always have the ca=
pacity to realize or recognize 2t...<br><br>Of
course, I haven't attended any of the workshops offered by Integral
Institute (<a href=3D"http://www.integralinstitute.org">www.integralinstitu=
te.org</a>), and haven't been following the
Integral Naked (<a href=3D"http://www.integralnaked.org">www.integralnaked.=
org</a>) conversations either, so it's
possible that there are existing methods that are perceived as 2t, or
methods in development of which I am unaware.<br><br>If I learn of any,
I'll pass these along...and likewise, please if you or anyone is aware
of any, I'd be interested to learn about these.<br><br>Warm regards,<br>Kar=
en<br><br><br><br>Karen Sella<br><a href=3D"http://www.luminacoaching.com">=
www.luminacoaching.com</a><br>206.780.2998<br><br><br><br><br><br>-----Orig=
inal Message-----
<br>From: OSLIST [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">=
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of Tim Weidman<br>Sent: Frida=
y, August 26, 2005 9:57 PM<br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISEST=
ATE.EDU">
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>Subject: Re: An OS "critique&quo=
t; and response<br><br>i would love to know what group methods t=
hese int/sd community members consider 2t<br><br>On Aug 26, 2005, at 5:55 P=
M, Karen Sella wrote:
<br><br>> Brilliant, Peggy!<br>> <br>> Thank you for taking the ti=
me to respond so generously and graciously<br>> to Steve Banks. I comple=
tely agree with you.<br>> <br>> For some time, I have offered the per=
spective that OS is
<br>> "2nd-tier"---the principles of OS transcending and inclu=
ding all the<br>> potential 1st-tier interactions---to others in the Int=
egral/SDi<br>> community who share this misconception that OS is a "=
;green" method.
<br>> I have also introduced several "Integral/SDi" folks to O=
pen Space as<br>> a practical method congruent with 2nd-tier thinking th=
at allows people<br><br>> to more readily embody/enact 2nd-tier, even co=
nvening a few Open Space
<br><br>> events on their behalf, and I'm happy to say that some folks s=
eem to<br>> "get it," even though there are still others who m=
aintain that OS is<br>> "green."<br>> <br>> One theory I=
have about this misconception in the realm of integral is
<br><br>> that most of the folks within the Integral/SDi communities who=
<br>> maintain that OS is "green" have either not experience O=
pen Space or<br>> they have experienced Open Space where the center of g=
ravity of the
<br>> group in the room is green and the "integral" folks in t=
he room are<br>> confusing the state/stage of the people in the room wit=
h the method...<br>> i.e. the fact that folks may be primarily embodying=
green during an
<br>> Open Space event does not mean that the Open Space method is green=
,<br>> just like "Spiral Wizards" tailoring their interactions=
for the<br>> predominately green consciousness of an audience, does not=
mean that
<br>> they, the Spiral Wizards, are operating from green consciousness..=
.<br>> <br>> In any case, suffice it to say that I really appreciate =
reading your<br>> wonderfully articulated and educated written response.
<br>> <br>> Warm regards,<br>> Karen<br>> <br>> <br>> Kar=
en Sella<br>> <a href=3D"http://www.luminacoaching.com">www.luminacoachi=
ng.com</a><br>> 206.780.2998<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----
<br>> From: OSLIST [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.=
EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a>] On Behalf Of<br>> Peggy Holman<=
br>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:55 PM<br>> To: <a href=3D"mailto=
:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>> Subject: Re: An OS "critiqu=
e" and response<br>> <br>> Hhmmmm, I notice the attachments aren=
't attached. Here are links<br>> instead:<br>> <br>> From Steve Ba=
nks:
<br>> <a href=3D"http://www.opencirclecompany.com/FromOpenSpaceToIntegra=
lSpace.doc">http://www.opencirclecompany.com/FromOpenSpaceToIntegralSpace.d=
oc</a><br>> <br>> <br>> My response: <a href=3D"http://www.opencir=
clecompany.com/IntegralOpenSpace.doc">
http://www.opencirclecompany.com/IntegralOpenSpace.doc</a><br>> <br>>=
still sunny in Seattle,<br>> Peggy<br>> <br>>> ----- Original =
Message -----<br>>> From: Peggy Holman<br>>> To: <a href=3D"mai=
lto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 200=
5 2:00 PM<br>>> Subject: [OSLIST] An OS "critique" and resp=
onse<br>>> <br>>> My friend, Tom Atlee, sent me the attached do=
c, From Open
<br>>> Space...egral Space.doc,by Steve Banks. It struckme as so<br>&=
gt;> misinformed and errorfilled that I responded withIntegral Open<br>&=
gt;> Space.doc.<br>>> <br>>> Thought you might find both the=
impressions of a neophyte and my
<br>>> response of interest.<br>>> <br>>> from sunny Seat=
tle,<br>>> Peggy<br>>> <br>>> ___________________________=
_____<br>>> Peggy Holman<br>>> The Open C=
ircle Company<br>
>> 15347 SE 49th Place<br>>> Bellevue, WA=
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