OSLIST Digest - 21 Apr 2005 to 22 Apr 2005 (#2005-109)
eamonn keenan
eamonn_keenan2003 at yahoo.ie
Sat Apr 23 11:54:59 PDT 2005
Hi from a lurker!
I loved the biting comments about the poem, as am
human I can see the potential for abuse from such
ribal poetry, but as a man can see the opportunites
for ribal fun, where men and women can "take the piss"
as we say in Ireland in even handed ways, so here is
my contribution!.
Upon the dick of a barman from Vail
Was tattooed the price of pale ale
And upon his behind
For the sake of the blind was the same information in
Braille
Now this rhyme it’s not true as maidens do rue
For such dicks are far to few on the male
Its a source of regret but lifes what you get
But such big arses are commonly found.
Eamonn Keenan
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OSLIST Digest - 21 Apr 2005 to 22 Apr 2005
(#2005-109)OSLIST Digest - 21 Apr 2005 to 22 Apr 2005
(#2005-109)
Table of contents:
Raffi, genocide and OST (4)
Deafened People thriving in OS
Learning to expand our NOW (8)
Visualisation techniques for facilitation (2)
<no subject> (2)
Poetry Day (2)
Access Queen reminds you of two deadlines for
making funding requests
Access Queen says...look at the power of asking!
Raffi, genocide and OST
Re: Raffi, genocide and OST (04/22)
From: Mikk Sarv <mikk at ilm.ee>
Re: Raffi, genocide and OST (04/22)
From: Agneta Setterwall <agneta.setterwall at telia.com>
Re: Raffi, genocide and OST (04/22)
From: Funda Oral <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
Re: Raffi, genocide and OST (04/22)
From: Funda Oral <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
Deafened People thriving in OS
Deafened People thriving in OS (04/22)
From: Diane Gibeault <diane.gibeault at rogers.com>
Learning to expand our NOW
Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at cogeco.ca>
Re: Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Tolga Yazar <yazar_tolga at yahoo.com>
Re: Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
Re: Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Therese Fitzpatrick
<therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
Re: Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
Re: Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Spady's <ejespady at mydurango.net>
Re: Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
Re: Learning to expand our NOW (04/22)
From: Cheryl Honey <wecare at familynetwork.org>
Visualisation techniques for facilitation
Re: Visualisation techniques for facilitation
(04/22)
From: ashley cooper <mail.easilyamazed at gmail.com>
Re: Visualisation techniques for facilitation
(04/22)
From: Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com>
<no subject>
<no subject> (04/22)
From: Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
Re: <no subject> (04/22)
From: Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com>
Poetry Day
Poetry Day (04/22)
From: Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
Re: Poetry Day (04/22)
From: Therese Fitzpatrick
<therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
Access Queen reminds you of two deadlines for
making funding requests
Re: Access Queen reminds you of two deadlines
for making funding requests (04/22)
From: Therese Fitzpatrick
<therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
Access Queen says...look at the power of asking!
Access Queen says...look at the power of asking!
(04/23)
From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
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Browse the OSLIST online archives.> Date: Fri, 22
Apr 2005 09:07:33 +0300
> From: Mikk Sarv <mikk at ilm.ee>
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
> Funda,
> I know, that Estonian and Turkish langages are in a
> way parallel to each
> other, so it may match also for your language. What
> Harrison writes is very
> much true for our language, Estonian. We do have
> very artificial and
> complicated constructions to get translated what
> other languages call future
> and past. Our language has been thought to be too
> primitive, as we are
> pretty handicapped to express the constructions of
> past and future.
>
> The main concern in our grammar has been to express
> the NOW. The word for
> this very moment is PARA-AEGU, which means at the
> best possible time.
>
> I suppose there are many cultures and languages,
> which have understood the
> magic of NOW and which try to do the expanding of
> our NOW as helpful as
> possible.
>
> Mikk Sarv, Estonia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at comcast.net>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
>
> > Ah -- Funda. Let me reveal a mystery to you. You
> just can't get away from
> > NOW. It is all you have! Past is over, future
> hasn't happened yet. What
> you
> > got is NOW. And the only question (at least for
> me) is how big is your
> NOW?
> > If it is a tiny little "now" desperation quickly
> sets in. How are you
> going
> > to get everything (you want to do) squeezed into
> this anorexic
> (pathetically
> > thin) now? You can't! And the more you try the
> worse it gets.
> >
> > But there is an alternative. Just make your NOW
> BIGGER! It may sound a
> > little weird, but with some effort (not to be
> confused with work), NOW
> > becomes big enough to include what we call the
> Past and also the Future.
> The
> > Past, with all of its richness of experience
> (including the pain) is
> always
> > available. And the Future is not some far off
> thing -- but dreams coming
> > into focus NOW. For me it is a matter of opening
> my (personal) space. You
> > can do this in all sorts of ways, but (I hate to
> say it) Visualization can
> > help! :-)
> >
> > Harrison
> >
> > Harrison Owen
> > 7808 River Falls Drive
> > Potomac, Maryland 20845
> > Phone 301-365-2093
> >
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> > Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
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> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: OSLIST
> [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Funda
> Oral
> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:37 PM
> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
> >
> > Masud, Therese is right, this discussion makes a
> negative affect on me.
> >
> > Something that i have been observing is becoming
> more clear and
> > i will try to share it with you.
> >
> > When we talk about the past, and we spend our
> enegry there...whether it's
> > positive
> > or negative..it becomes a lose of time and energy
> after some
> > point....because we
> > may skip NOW and neglect the needs of now...the
> same is valid for the
> > future.
> >
> > This is also why i am doubtful about the methods
> such as visualization.
> >
> > Sometimes when i lose myself among different
> feelings ( positive,
> negative)
> > thinking about the past
> > or dreaming about the future...i try to pull
> myself back to now....deal
> with
> > what is needed to be
> > done now.
> >
> > Now....the kitchen needs to be cleaned, i am
> going.... ::))
> > Funda
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Masud Sheikh" <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> > To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:01:01 -0700, Therese
> Fitzpatrick
> > > >Funda, such an event would not be negative. ..
> it could be wonderful
> > > >and life affirming. And it could unleash new,
> positive initiatives in
> > > >the world.
> > > Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
> > > "Would not be negative....." - Is that not
> highly judgmental, Therese -
> an
> > > opinion expressed as fact?
> > > Masud
> > >
> > > *
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> > >
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=== message truncated ===> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005
08:31:00 +0200
> From: Agneta Setterwall
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> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
---------------------------------
Thank you Harrison - I just LOVE it when I get a
short sermon like thatin the morning!
Lovelovelove :-D
Agneta
Harrison Owen wrote:
Ah -- Funda. Let me reveal a mystery to you. You just
can't get away fromNOW. It is all you have! Past is
over, future hasn't happened yet. What yougot is NOW.
And the only question (at least for me) is how big is
your NOW?If it is a tiny little "now" desperation
quickly sets in. How are you goingto get everything
(you want to do) squeezed into this anorexic
(patheticallythin) now? You can't! And the more you
try the worse it gets.But there is an alternative.
Just make your NOW BIGG" desperation quickly sets in.
How are you goingto get everything (you want to do)
squeezed into this anorexic (patheticallythin) now?
You can't! And the more you try the worse it gets.But
there is an alternative. Just make your NOW BIGGER! It
may sound alittle weird, but with some effort (not to
be confused with work), NOWbecomes big enough to
include what we call the Past and also the Future.
ThePast, with all of its richness of experience
(including the pain) is alwaysavailable. And the
Future is not some far off thing -- but dreams
cominginto focus NOW. For me it is a matter of opening
my (personal) space. Youcan do this in all sorts of
ways, but (I hate to say it) Visualization canhelp!
:-)HarrisonHarrison Owen7808 River Falls DrivePotomac,
Maryland 20845Phone 301-365-2093Open Space Training
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Message-----From: OSLIST
[mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of
Funda OralSent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:37 PMTo:
OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDUSubject: Re: Raffi,
genocide and OSTMasud, Therese is right, this
discussion makes a negative affect on me.Something
that i have been observing is becoming more clear andi
will try to share it with you.When we talk about the
past, and we spend our enegry there...whether
it'spositiveor negative..it becomes a lose of time and
energy after somepoint....because wemay skip NOW and
neglect the needs of now...the same is valid for
thefuture.This is also why i am doubtful about the
methods such as visualization.Sometimes when i lose
myself among different feelings ( positive,
negative)thinking about the pastor dreaming about the
future...i try to pull myself back to now....deal
withwhat is needed to bedone now.Now....the kitchen
needs to be cleaned, i am going.... ::))Funda-----
Original Message -----From: "Masud Sheikh"
<masheikh at COGECO.CA>To:
<OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>Sent: Thursday, April
21, 2005 2:46 PMSubject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:01:01 -0700, Therese
Fitzpatrick
Funda, such an event would not be negative. .. it
could be wonderfuland life affirming. And it could
unleash new, positive initiatives inthe world.
Please forgive me for reacting, Therese."Would not be
negative....." - Is that not highly judgmental,
Therese - anopinion expressed as
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Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:32:55 +0300
> From: Funda Oral <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
> Harrison-
>
> First i want to tell you how much i am grateful and
> i enjoy reading your
> mails full of wisdom, intelligence
> and playfulness.
>
> Then, there is another mysery i want to share...i
> found out that
> it is not so important to get everything now ( do
> everything i want to do)
> NOW...
>
> But i feel better when i do what this anorexic now
> requires from me
> keeping in mind (trusting ) that i will get
> anything i want in
> PARA-AEGU (at the best possible time, thank you
> Mikk)
>
> Funda
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harrison Owen" <hhowen at comcast.net>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
>
> Ah -- Funda. Let me reveal a mystery to you. You
> just can't get away from
> NOW. It is all you have! Past is over, future hasn't
> happened yet. What you
> got is NOW. And the only question (at least for me)
> is how big is your NOW?
> If it is a tiny little "now" desperation quickly
> sets in. How are you going
> to get everything (you want to do) squeezed into
> this anorexic (pathetically
> thin) now? You can't! And the more you try the worse
> it gets.
>
> But there is an alternative. Just make your NOW
> BIGGER! It may sound a
> little weird, but with some effort (not to be
> confused with work), NOW
> becomes big enough to include what we call the Past
> and also the Future. The
> Past, with all of its richness of experience
> (including the pain) is always
> available. And the Future is not some far off thing
> -- but dreams coming
> into focus NOW. For me it is a matter of opening my
> (personal) space. You
> can do this in all sorts of ways, but (I hate to say
> it) Visualization can
> help! :-)
>
> Harrison
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Drive
> Potomac, Maryland 20845
> Phone 301-365-2093
>
> Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com
> Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org
> Personal website
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Funda Oral
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:37 PM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
> Masud, Therese is right, this discussion makes a
> negative affect on me.
>
> Something that i have been observing is becoming
> more clear and
> i will try to share it with you.
>
> When we talk about the past, and we spend our enegry
> there...whether it's
> positive
> or negative..it becomes a lose of time and energy
> after some
> point....because we
> may skip NOW and neglect the needs of now...the same
> is valid for the
> future.
>
> This is also why i am doubtful about the methods
> such as visualization.
>
> Sometimes when i lose myself among different
> feelings ( positive, negative)
> thinking about the past
> or dreaming about the future...i try to pull myself
> back to now....deal with
> what is needed to be
> done now.
>
> Now....the kitchen needs to be cleaned, i am
> going.... ::))
> Funda
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Masud Sheikh" <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
>
> > On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 12:01:01 -0700, Therese
> Fitzpatrick
> > >Funda, such an event would not be negative. .. it
> could be wonderful
> > >and life affirming. And it could unleash new,
> positive initiatives in
> > >the world.
> > Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
> > "Would not be negative....." - Is that not highly
> judgmental, Therese - an
> > opinion expressed as fact?
> > Masud
> >
> > *
> > *
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:55:13 +0300
> From: Funda Oral <fundaoral at ttnet.net.tr>
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
> Dear Raffi,
>
> I don't have long time so i will try to write
> shortly.
>
> Many articles about that have been published in our
> newspapers.
> One that has been very useful for me was a series of
> articles published
> in one of the main nespaper (Milliyet) about 6
> months ago.
>
> This was written by a very famous and popular
> journalist ( Filiz might know
> ; Can Dündar)
> published after Can Dundar visited Armenia with a
> group of people (
> journalist, politicians, scientists) and
> hold different meetings with different group of
> people.
>
> So i can tell you that there are many different
> opinions, points of view,
> ideas, suggestions about
> what happened in 1915 and the claims of genocide.
>
> I don't want to discuss about these here or
> somewhere else because this is
> not very much
> my domain.
>
> But, i wanted to ask you something else....how you
> think we can collaborate
> if you start the
> discussion saying that ;
> " i blame you, your history, your ancestors with
> genocide, and i want you to
> accept this in front of all the world
> and i want all the countries accept that "
>
> We met at Goa and we discovered that we had many
> similarities.In the house i
> grew up we had armenian neighbours
> and we had very good relationship with them. But
> this blame and claim makes
> me lose hope of any collaboration.
>
> A relation of collaboration can not start like that.
> This is my feelings and
> thoughts.
>
> Funda
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Raffi Aftandelian" <raffi at bk.ru>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Raffi, genocide and OST
>
>
> > Filiz,
> > I want to say I think it's wonderful you've been
> to Armenia. What
> > courage!
> >
> > I would very much like to meet you some day. And
> it would be great to
> > work together on an OS.
> >
> > I have wanted to go to a PoP training. The
> announcement looks
> > interesting, but I don't quite understand how it's
> different from
> > an OST training.
> >
> > And I am very happy that you'll hold space on the
> 24th.
> >
> > We are all connected in more ways than we can
> imagine.
> >
> > My grandfather escaped northwest Iran (Tabriz) for
> Russia in 1910-1915
> > to avoid the genocide coming to that country. And
> he was deported as a
> > foreigner back to Iran in 1938.
> >
> > As a doctor with a private practice most of his
> patients were Azeri
> > Iranians. He spoke Azeri with them. My
> grandparent's housekeeper was
> > Azeri.
> >
> > Today, a number of people asked the question of
> what the point of the
> > Poem in your pocket day was. I think that
> ultimately it's about all of
> > us being in genuine contact with one another, to
> remind ourselves if
> > only once a year that we are interconnected. All.
> Of. Us.
> >
> > Do you have a poem, Filiz?
> >
> > Funda,
> > I appreciate you replying to what I wrote about
> the Genocide. I am so
> > thankful that we met each other at the OSonOS in
> Goa. When I see your
> > words, I recall those eyes of love and that warm
> smile. I know (if
> > only a little bit) the human behind those words.
> And in the way I can
> > I love you.
> >
> > All I can ask you, if you care to continue, is to
> unfold those
> > feelings, whether privately (to yourself) or
> onlist.
> >
> > On one level I understand the sadness. On another
> level, there is
> > "helpful" on the other side of the coin which has
> "helpless" looking up.
> > Helpful for me would look like this:
> >
> > Writing a letter to a Turkish newspaper (a major
> daily) just sharing
> > your questions on the Genocide. It can be on your
> sadness, on your
> > sense of helplessness, whatever. But, for me is
> that any piece should
> > ask the question. What the question is, you
> decide.
> >
> > Yes, I agree that it wouldn't make a lot of sense
> to hold an OST
> > meeting on what happened in 1915. The other
> meeting you propose makes
> > sense to me. AND, I would say, that I probably
> wouldn't wait even for
> > the facilitator to finish opening the space to
> write my session topic
> > for THAT meeting:
> >
> > "When/how are we going to recognize the Armenian
> Genocide?" and
> > "What reparations should the Armenian people
> receive?"
> >
> > Do I feel that this conversation must receive an
> answer before there
> > is ANY true collaboration between Turks and
> Armenians?
> >
> > No. But it sure would help.
> >
> > Otherwise, our collaboration would smack of
> dancing around our
> > ancestors.
> >
> > Warmly,
> > Raffi
> >
> >
> > mailto:raffi at bk.ru
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 07:54:56 -0400
> From: Diane Gibeault <diane.gibeault at rogers.com>
> Subject: Deafened People thriving in OS
>
> Possibilities with Open Space are almost limitless.
>
>
>
> Here is how I adapted the process to meet the
> challenges at hand for this
> Open Space meeting for deafened people - people who
> once heard and spoke but
> have now lost their hearing completely or in good
> part and have not
> necessarily learned sign language or lip reading.
>
>
>
> The invitation from a volunteer organization went to
> the community at large.
> Over twenty people met for half a day. The theme was
> focussed on service and
> access needs of deafened people. Communication was
> assisted by interpreters,
> sound enhancing ear plugs and simultaneous
> captioning services enabling
> participants to read spoken words on a large screen.
>
>
>
> We were able to preserve the formation of the full
> circle of chairs by
> having some of the hearing participants (partner
> accompanying a deafened
> participant, sponsor of the organization, sign
> language interpreter and
> facilitator) sit at one end of the circle, their
> backs to the screen which
> other participants needed to see.
>
>
>
> As the facilitator, I could not walk in the circle
> while speaking because it
> would have interfered with the view of the screen
> but I did walk around the
> circle once without speaking. I had told the group I
> would do so and that at
> the same time, they were invited to let their eyes
> go around the circle,
> acknowledging the richness of the people present. I
> made eye contact with
> everyone, we all smiled and nodded to welcome each
> other and they did the
> same with other participants. The circle was bound.
>
>
>
> Harisson Owen’s “less is more” never was so true. To
> explain the process, I
> had to speak slowly, using few words, choosing key
> important ones so that
> the captioning note takers and interpreters would
> represent the ideas as
> clearly and as completely as possible. Otherwise,
> they will cut on what was
> said or put it in words that may not reflect as well
> what you wanted to say.
> Beth Martin a OS trainee who assisted in the Open
> Space was asked by the
> sponsor to take the role of reading the screen and
> signalling to me when I
> had to slow down. If a message had been really
> distorted, she would have
> caught it and let me know.
>
>
>
> Participants wrote their topics and only when all
> had finished did they take
> turns to announce them from their seat. This way,
> everyone could look at the
> screen or interpreter. Otherwise, they would have
> missed the topic
> announcements because they would be looking at their
> sheet while writing
> their own topic. Participants with topics then
> picked up a Post-it with time
> and place and put up their topics on the wall. After
> this first round, some
> came up with more ideas for topics and we proceeded
> in the same way again.
>
>
>
> Once all the topics were on the wall, further
> instructions were given and
> off they went to sign up. If they needed to
> negotiate combinations or time
> changes, they could communicate with each other by
> writing on the paper pad
> they were given or calling upon an interpreter. Each
> meeting site had a
> large screen computer and a note taker and
> participants sat around to read
> on the screen what was being said. Interpreters went
> where they were needed.
> There was a talking piece at every meeting site to
> help see who was
> speaking. A real break was scheduled between the two
> discussion rounds to
> give everyone a rest from reading.
>
>
>
> Discussion reports were completed after the event,
> given it was only a half
> day meeting. For reporting to the entire group at
> the end of the event, two
> flip charts were placed near the circle in the
> plenary room and initiators
> had been invited to write two or three lines that
> captured the key idea or
> action coming out of their discussion. This
> encouraged them to organize
> their thoughts and it condensed the reporting
> period. Initiators read their
> two line reports that were captured by the
> interpreters and the larger
> screen. Participants exchanged comments, reactions
> and more stories.
>
>
>
> For the closing, the talking piece worked like it
> always does and words came
> from the heart to bring meaningful closure to this
> event.
>
>
>
> They were energised by this kind of exchange that
> brought them out of their
> isolation. They would have wanted to keep on. They
> talked about having
> another meeting. This kind of experience was a first
> of its kind for these
> participants and for this community of people with
> hearing challenges. A few
> months later, they formed a self-help group that is
> now meeting regularly.
>
>
>
> The quickness of participants to take charge of the
> process, the level of
> participation, the energy and the enthusiasm about
> the results and about
> this way of meeting were the same as for all the
> other open space groups I
> have facilitated. Open Space does work with any
> group as long as there is
> passion for the reason that brings people together.
>
>
>
>
>
> Diane Gibeault
>
>
>
> Diane Gibeault CPF / FPA
>
> Diane Gibeault & Assoc.
>
> www.dianegibeault.com
>
> diane.gibeault at rogers .com Ottawa Canada (613)
> 744-2638
>
>
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> Transformation
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> transformation
>
>
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:28:24 -0400
> From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at cogeco.ca>
> Subject: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> Dear all,
>
> In the interest of expanding my "NOW", I request a
> favour/favor (being
> Canadian, I can use both spellings):
>
> Yesterday, I had a conflict with Therese
> Fitzpatrick, when I posted the
> following note:
>
> ">Funda, such an event would not be negative...it
> could be wonderful and
> life affirming.
>
> > And it could unleash new, positive initiatives in
> the world.
>
> Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
>
> "Would not be negative....." - Is that not highly
> judgmental, Therese - an
> opinion expressed as fact?
>
> Masud"
>
> Therese's lack of response makes it evident that my
> "NOW" did not contain
> enough space for her to respond. For those of you
> who can have space for my
> views, as well as hers, can you please suggest an
> alternative way of posing
> my comment/question?
>
> My best wishes
>
> Masud
>
> There is something called learning at a rather small
> level of organisation.
> At a much higher gestalt level, learning is called
> evolution - Gregory
> Bateson
>
>
>
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:49:47 -0700
> From: Tolga Yazar <yazar_tolga at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> Hi Masud,
> <I am afraid, my first post to the list, and I am
> brand new to OS >
>
> The questions that start with "Is/Isnt" are
> sometimes expressed as, or understood as "bogus
> questions" - where they are merely expressing a
> belief, rather than requiring for more explanation.
> For example:
> "Isnt that obvious ??" may simply mean " I believe
> it is obvious" (sometimes they additionally mean :
> "I want you to believe it is obvious too....").
> "Is that not highly judgmental" - may in that sense
> may read as: "I believe it is highly judgemental".
> and then there is no question to answer.
>
> IMHO, a better question would be:
> "I am finding your expression judgemental, and it
> seem to me to be an opinion expressed as a fact.
> Will you please explain more what you mean?"
>
> Regards,
> Tolga.
>
>
> Masud Sheikh <masheikh at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> In the interest of expanding my “NOW”, I request a
> favour/favor (being Canadian, I can use both
> spellings):
>
> Yesterday, I had a conflict with Therese
> Fitzpatrick, when I posted the following note:
>
> “>Funda, such an event would not be negative...it
> could be wonderful and life affirming.
>
> > And it could unleash new, positive initiatives in
> the world.
>
> Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
>
> "Would not be negative....." - Is that not highly
> judgmental, Therese – an opinion expressed as fact?
>
> Masud”
>
> Therese’s lack of response makes it evident that my
> “NOW” did not contain enough space for her to
> respond. For those of you who can have space for my
> views, as well as hers, can you please suggest an
> alternative way of posing my comment/question?
>
> My best wishes
>
> Masud
>
> There is something called learning at a rather small
> level of organisation. At a much higher gestalt
> level, learning is called evolution – Gregory
> Bateson
>
>
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22 Apr 2005 20:49:40 -0500
> From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> Masud, just a thought.
>
> You wrote:
> Therese's lack of response makes it evident that my
> "NOW" did not
> contain enough space for her to respond. For those
> of you who can have
> space for my views, as well as hers, can you please
> suggest an
> alternative way of posing my comment/question?
> Often I don't respond to emails because -
>
> - I am out of town
> - I am tired
> - I am taking care of my mother
> - I am taking or giving a workshop
> - I want to be thoughtful about my response
> and this takes some
> thinking time.
>
> ..and of course I could go on.
>
> So one cannot interpret silence for.anything. Well,
> one can, but it is
> of course an interpretation.
>
> Just a thought to toss in there, because this
> strikes a cord in me (I am
> very sensitive about my own ability to correspond on
> email with the
> impact it has washing in great streams into my
> inbox)
>
> Lisa
>
> PS: Will you be coming to OSonOS in Halifax? As
> more of us meet in
> person here or there, more of us will get to know
> each other in
> marvelous ways.I look forward to seeing you there or
> wherever else we
> may meet..
>
> ___________________________
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> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
> O p e n i n g S p a c e
> 2325 Oregon
> Berkeley, California
> 94705-1106 USA
> +01 510 548-8449
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:43:46 -0700
> From: Therese Fitzpatrick
> <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> Here in my now. . .
> I am unaware that you and I have had a conflict,
> Masud. I do notthink I have ever addressed you
> directly in anything I have posted tothe OSlist.
> Thank you, Lisa, for pointing out that there are all
> kinds of reasonswhy someone, including me, might not
> answer an email.
> I live in open space and I do not open all the email
> that land in mymailbox. In open space, I do not
> respond to all the mail that landsin my mailbox. In
> open space, sometimes I use the law of two feet
> andstop participating in a conversation thread just
> cause I feel like itand I don't get very hard on
> myself and tell myself I have to stayinvolved just
> because I posted something.
> I don't know which conversation you think you and I
> have been inconflict, Masud, but I do know that
> after I posted something aboutgenocide I stopped
> reading that thread altogether. Since I know
> I'dropped out' of that conversation, maybe that is
> the one you mean? And if the conflict you perceive
> with me took place in that topic, Ican tell you that
> I am still not interested in participating in it. In
> open space, I don't have to have a reason to drift
> out of a roomand I don't have to have a reason to
> drift out of a conversation. Since you have tried to
> provoke me into engaging in your perception ofa
> conflict, Masud, I do not imagine that you will like
> the fact that Iam using the law of two feet and
> walking away from what feel like yourdemand that I
> participate. . . but in open space I do not have
> toaccede to your direct demand that I respond.
> Aside from open space, Ican tell you that I do not
> like to be bullied and I feel that you arebullying
> me into having an argument with yo!
> u here on this listserv. .. and it has no heart and
> meaning for me to participate in that.
> If I said something with which you disagree, you are
> absolutely freeto hold another opinion, Masud.
>
>
> On 4/22/05, Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
> wrote:> > > > Masud, just a thought. > > > > You
> wrote: > > Therese's lack of response makes it
> evident that my "NOW" did not contain> enough space
> for her to respond. For those of you who can have
> space for my> views, as well as hers, can you please
> suggest an alternative way of posing> my
> comment/question? > > Often I don't respond to
> emails because – > > > > - I am out of
> town > > - I am tired > > - I am
> taking care of my mother > > - I am taking
> or giving a workshop > > - I want to be
> thoughtful about my response and this takes some>
> thinking time
> > > >
.and of course I could go
> on. > > > > So one cannot interpret silence
> for
anything. Well, one can, but it is of> course
> an interpretation
> > > > Just a thought to toss
> in there, because this strikes a cord in me (I am>
> very sensitive about my own ability to correspond on
> email with the impact> it has washin!
> g in great streams into my inbox) > > > > Lisa > >
> > > PS: Will you be coming to OSonOS in Halifax?
> As more of us meet in person> here or there, more of
> us will get to know each other in marvelous ways
I>
> look forward to seeing you there or wherever else we
> may meet
. > > > > > ___________________________
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> Educator > > O p e n i n g S p a c e > > 2325
> Oregon > > Berkeley, California > > 94705-1106 USA
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 10:20:52 -0700
> From: ashley cooper <mail.easilyamazed at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Visualisation techniques for
> facilitation
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> You might be interested in this website:
> http://www.visuelle-protokolle.de/eng/index2.html .
> It's for VISUELLE
> PROTOKOLLE. I believe I was introdcued through this
> OSlist.
>
> "Would you like to use powerful pictures to
> communicate your ideas?"
>
> warmly,
> ashley
>
> On 4/19/05, Andrew Rixon <Andrew.Rixon at csiro.au>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I was wondering whether you have any good ( or
> otherwise :) ) references
> > for work investigating:
> >
> > 1. The value of using visualisation techniques in
> group facilitation?
> >
> > 2. The effects of using visualisation on
> brainstorming processes within
> > group facilitation?
> >
> > 3. Visualisation techniques for group
> facilitation?
> >
> > I'm aware of 'Graphic Facilitation' but in
> general would like to follow
> > this thread...
> >
> > I would really appreciate any input / comments
> you can provide.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > --
> >
> > Andrew Rixon B.Sc(hons) PhD
> >
> > Urban Water Infrastructure
> >
> > CSIRO- Manufacturing and Infrastructure Technology
> >
> > http://www.cmit.csiro.au
> >
> > P.O Box 56 (Graham Road), Highett, 3190, Victoria,
> Australia
> >
> > Tel: +61 3 9252 6363
> >
> > Fax:+ 61 3 9252 6249
> >
> > Mobile: 0400 352 809
> >
> > Email: Andrew.Rixon at csiro.au
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:26:49 -0600
> From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> Thank you Tolga, Lisa and Therese for your responses
> - Thanks also to anyone else who may respond
> subsequently
>
> Lisa, in response to your question about my
> participation in OSonOS in
> Halifax: I am still not sure, so have not yet
> booked.
>
> Take care, all of you
> Masud
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:50:14 -0400
> From: Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
> Subject: <no subject>
>
> Hey everybody,
>
> It's Earth Day. Open some space for the earth
> today.
>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> Ralph
>
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:00:27 -0600
> From: Spady's <ejespady at mydurango.net>
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> Okay, I have to pipe in a bit on this one...
>
> Masud, I find it extremely ironic that the posting
> you made to Therese implies that she was being
> judgmental and then in this post you instantly jump
> to conclusions and "judge" her...hmmmm... IMHO you
> cannot factually conclude that her lack of response
> was some sort of avoidance on the issue. As Lisa
> has pointed out, there could be a zillion reasons
> why she didn't respond within a day (hardly enough
> time to even make a conclusion)...I think you read
> way too much into this as you were obviously waiting
> for a baited response from her.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth...
>
> Judy Spady
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Masud Sheikh
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: Learning to expand our NOW
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> In the interest of expanding my "NOW", I request a
> favour/favor (being Canadian, I can use both
> spellings):
>
> Yesterday, I had a conflict with Therese
> Fitzpatrick, when I posted the following note:
>
> ">Funda, such an event would not be negative...it
> could be wonderful and life affirming.
>
> > And it could unleash new, positive initiatives
> in the world.
>
> Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
>
> "Would not be negative....." - Is that not highly
> judgmental, Therese - an opinion expressed as fact?
>
> Masud"
>
> Therese's lack of response makes it evident that
> my "NOW" did not contain enough space for her to
> respond. For those of you who can have space for my
> views, as well as hers, can you please suggest an
> alternative way of posing my comment/question?
>
> My best wishes
>
> Masud
>
> There is something called learning at a rather
> small level of organisation. At a much higher
> gestalt level, learning is called evolution -
> Gregory Bateson
>
>
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22 Apr 2005 15:24:48 EDT
> From: Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Visualisation techniques for
> facilitation
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/05 10:12:46 PM,
> Andrew.Rixon at csiro.au writes:
>
>
> >
> > I was wondering whether you have any good ( or
> otherwise :) ) references for
> > work investigating:
> >
> > 1. The value of using visualisation techniques in
> group facilitation?
> > 2. The effects of using visualisation on
> brainstorming processes within
> > group facilitation?
> > 3. Visualisation techniques for group
> facilitation?
> >
> Andrew--
>
> Can't help with further references re: graphic
> facilitation. I do have some
> references about using guided imagery and other
> visualization techniques for
> group facilitation:
>
> Creating Shared Vision, Marjorie Parker--Using
> imagery to facilitate an
> organizational visioning process, includes case
> study with a Norwegian
> organization.
>
> Visionizing, Sidney J. Parnes--Using imagery with
> brainstorming. This book,
> by the longtime director of the Creative Education
> Foundation, and perhaps
> some of the other books, is available from the CEF:
> http://www.cef-cpsi.org
>
> Imagery and Creative Imagination, Joe Khatena--a
> research-oriented book with
> many activities that can be used in facilitation.
>
> Conceptual Blockbusting, James L. Adams--especially
> the section on Visual
> Thinking in Chapter 7, "Alternate Thinking
> Languages."
>
> The Practice of Creativity, George M. Prince--using
> Synectics activities in
> group facilitation
>
> I have personally used guided imagery with groups
> working on solving problems
> or creating new ideas. I particularly like to
> begin the process of
> developing vision and goals by having members or an
> organization visualize the future
> state of the organization, and share those images
> with others. Working first
> in a nonverbal mode seems to help identify the
> shared visions that are held
> by group members, who may be in frequent conflict
> about day-to-day issues.
>
> Today, I am more likely to use OST for the purposes
> of tapping creativity and
> identifying visions of the future. But I have had
> good results in the past
> incorporating imagery processes into group
> facilitation, and am happy to
> discuss this further with you, off-list, if you
> wish.
>
> Joelle Everett
> Shelton, Washington, USA
> jleshelton at aol.com
> 360-426-8517
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:41:14 -0400
> From: Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
> Subject: Poetry Day
>
> Raffi and all,
>
> Well, Raffi, you had quite a workout with your
> excerpt from the Tao.
> Congratulations on moving the system (and opening
> some very cool spaces)
> with poetry.
>
> You asked where the idea came from, or if I invented
> it.
>
> It's not my invention. I saw an advertisement in
> the New York Times
> proclaiming "Poem in Your Pocket Day" It suggested
> it would be a good idea
> to carry a poem in your pocket and read it to anyone
> and everyone all day
> long. I thought this was a lovely idea, so I
> selected a poem called "The
> Metaphysicians of South Jersey" by Stephen Dunn,
> typed it up and prepared to
> read it at the drop of a hat, as we say, anytime
> Thursday. (But the only
> time I left the house all day, I forgot to place the
> poem into my actual
> pocket.)
>
> There is nothing official about the idea, and as far
> as I know it is not on
> anyone's list of "international" days or
> celebrations, thought I believe it
> should be, certainly. I think some publisher must
> have cooked it up. I
> like the idea a lot. I've been known to read poems
> at odd public moments,
> so it fits well with my personality.
>
> I think, however, that my taste in poems may serve
> as much to close space as
> to open it, but that, as someone once said, is
> another story.
>
> In closing, let us not maqke the assumption that
> poetry we read (or write)
> must be pregnant with great significance or
> philosophy. For example, one of
> my all-time favorite poems (by an unknown but
> brilliant author) is this:
>
> Upon the breasts of a barmaid from Vail
> Was tattooed the price of pale ale.
> And upon her behind,
> For the sake of the blind,
> Was the same information in Braille.
>
> (Shakespeare, eat your heart out.)
>
>
> Ralph Copleman
>
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:49:33 EDT
> From: Joelle Lyons Everett <JLEShelton at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: <no subject>
>
> Happy Earth Day, Ralph. And congratulations for
> all your good work on
> behalf of the Earth!
>
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:25:02 -0700
> From: Therese Fitzpatrick
> <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Poetry Day
>
> Ralph. in response to your barmaid poem, let me
> first affirm your
> absolute right to share misygynistic poetry that
> reduces a female
> barstaffperson to sexist stereotyping.
>
> And second, I need to voice that I am disgusted that
> such denigrating
> stereotyping is considered in any way acceptable on
> a list serv
> devoted to professional development, at least in
> part.
>
> Imagine a poem about a tattoo a man's penis warning
> wouldbe partners
> of the price of a bar. . . it is deeply offensive to
> me to read about
> the price of beer being tattoo's on a woman's body.
>
> On 4/22/05, Ralph Copleman <rcopleman at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > Raffi and all,
> >
> > Well, Raffi, you had quite a workout with your
> excerpt from the Tao.
> > Congratulations on moving the system (and opening
> some very cool spaces)
> > with poetry.
> >
> > You asked where the idea came from, or if I
> invented it.
> >
> > It's not my invention. I saw an advertisement in
> the New York Times
> > proclaiming "Poem in Your Pocket Day" It suggested
> it would be a good idea
> > to carry a poem in your pocket and read it to
> anyone and everyone all day
> > long. I thought this was a lovely idea, so I
> selected a poem called "The
> > Metaphysicians of South Jersey" by Stephen Dunn,
> typed it up and prepared to
> > read it at the drop of a hat, as we say, anytime
> Thursday. (But the only
> > time I left the house all day, I forgot to place
> the poem into my actual
> > pocket.)
> >
> > There is nothing official about the idea, and as
> far as I know it is not on
> > anyone's list of "international" days or
> celebrations, thought I believe it
> > should be, certainly. I think some publisher must
> have cooked it up. I
> > like the idea a lot. I've been known to read
> poems at odd public moments,
> > so it fits well with my personality.
> >
> > I think, however, that my taste in poems may serve
> as much to close space as
> > to open it, but that, as someone once said, is
> another story.
> >
> > In closing, let us not maqke the assumption that
> poetry we read (or write)
> > must be pregnant with great significance or
> philosophy. For example, one of
> > my all-time favorite poems (by an unknown but
> brilliant author) is this:
> >
> > Upon the breasts of a barmaid from Vail
> > Was tattooed the price of pale ale.
> > And upon her behind,
> > For the sake of the blind,
> > Was the same information in Braille.
> >
> > (Shakespeare, eat your heart out.)
> >
> > Ralph Copleman
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 13:38:25 -0700
> From: Therese Fitzpatrick
> <therese.fitzpatrick at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Access Queen reminds you of two
> deadlines for making funding requests
>
> Since the Access Queen (hail Lisa) has invited us to
> dream out loudabout attending Halifax, I am going to
> share one of my Halifax dreams.
> I am dreaming that the registration fee will be
> changed from $300 to asliding scale. I am having a
> real hard time imagining that I willhave the ability
> to both get to Halifax, pay for shelter and pay
> $300for the registration fee so I am dreaming of a
> sliding scale.
> On 3/27/05, Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
> wrote:> > > Hi dear colleagues –> > > > I just
> wanted to draw your attention to something in my
> last Access Queen> message, entitled:> > Access
> Queen Invites You to Dream and Share as we go to
> OSonOS Halifax
> [long]> > > > > > This is
> regarding seeking travel moneys to go to OSonOS
> Halifax this August:> > > > If you wish to request
> funding for travel via Mama Cash you will need to
> do> so NOW, as there is often a several-month review
> period.> > > > If you wish to request funding for
> travel via the Open Space Institute of> the US, you
> will need to do so AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, as your
> requests will be> reviewed and awarded on a
> first-come-first-serve basis.> > > > Other Open
> Space Institutes or other funding sources you may
> know may have> other deadlines.> > > > In any case,
> getting your request in *sooner* (properly filled
> out,> according to each organization's
> specifications, and showing how you meet> the
> criteria the or!
> ganizations are describing) will offer you the best>
> possibility.> > > > Review my previous message for
> the details and links to these organizations'>
> websites.> > > > And
good luck!> > > > Warmly,> >
> > > Lisa> > > > ___________________________> > L i
> s a H e f t> > Consultant, Facilitator, Educator>
> > O p e n i n g S p a c e> > 2325 Oregon> >
> Berkeley, California> > 94705-1106 USA> > +01 510
> 548-8449> > lisaheft at openingspace.net> >
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> > Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 03:25:21 -0500
> From: Lisa Heft <lisaheft at openingspace.net>
> Subject: Access Queen says...look at the power of
> asking!
>
> [Therese had sent her wish out for sliding scale
> registration fee, and
> Judi replied to say it is possible..]
>
> Wow! You see how easy it is? And how powerful?
>
> You put out your intention to come to Halifax (as
> Ms. Therese is doing),
> you have the courage to ask (before this she asked
> me directly to put
> her on the Askers list and we talked about what she
> might need - but she
> had even more .courage? faith? to put it out there
> for everyone to
> see).
>
> And how do you like that - Ms. Judi responded to let
> me / us / Therese
> know of the potential for a sliding scale *if* there
> are enough people
> who pay *full* registration price for OSonOS
> Halifax.
>
> So there you have it: the "ask" is out there, doing
> its good already.
>
> And you can help Therese and other Askers by:
>
> - paying the full registration fee for
> OSonOS Halifax (and
> paying it soon so we know what we have to offer in
> terms of slippery
> slidey fees for Askers)
>
> - contributing some money to the Access
> Queen Fund
> (you can send me a check through the post for US
> dollars or other
> currency you think I can convert at the local
> exchange office, or
> contribute to the fund via credit card at
> http://www.openspaceworld.org/donate (10% of your
> contribution via
> credit card will cover processing costs) or contact
> me directly at
> lisaheft at openingspace.net).
>
> - renewing or starting a new membership in
> your local Open
> Space Institute (who often help Askers by
> contributing directly to the
> Access Queen Fund or offering support to people who
> send requests for
> travel moneys such as the OSI-US does)
>
> - letting me know that you'll buy
> accommodation at OSonOS for
> *two* people so we can offer free accommodation to
> an Asker
>
> - letting me know what sort of cash you can
> bring that I can
> give to Askers who need pocket money for food and
> other items at the
> OSonOS
>
> - renewing or beginning your membership in
> the Open Space World
> Map
>
> - inviting OS folks in your region to
> gather together to raise
> money for one or more of you to get to OSonOS
>
> .and so many other ways.
>
> And you Askers out there - don't forget to let me
> know if you want me to
> keep an 'eye out' for resources that someone may
> wish to share with you.
> Do ask.
>
> Remember: the soup is tastier if we all look into
> our own cupboards to
> add a little carrot here, a potato here, some spice
> here - to make a
> marvelous Access Broth - really quite nutritious and
> goes a long way
> (and low-calorie as well!).
>
>
> Lisa
> ___________________________
> L i s a H e f t
> Consultant, Facilitator, Educator
> O p e n i n g S p a c e
> 2325 Oregon
> Berkeley, California
> 94705-1106 USA
> +01 510 548-8449
> <mailto:lisaheft at openingspace.net>
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:47:11 -0600
> From: Masud Sheikh <masheikh at COGECO.CA>
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> Hi Judy,
> You correctly pointed out that I tend to be
> judgmental. But I did not
> understand what you meant by "you were obviously
> waiting for a baited
> response from her". To start off, I do not
> understand what is a "baited
> response".
>
> But Judy, my request was for help - and it was
> genuine. What would you
> would like me to learn from your feedback?
> Masud
>
> <ejespady at mydurango.net> wrote:
>
> >Okay, I have to pipe in a bit on this one...
> >
> >Masud, I find it extremely ironic that the posting
> you made to Therese
> implies that she was being judgmental and then in
> this post you instantly
> jump to conclusions and "judge" her...hmmmm... IMHO
> you cannot factually
> conclude that her lack of response was some sort of
> avoidance on the
> issue. As Lisa has pointed out, there could be a
> zillion reasons why she
> didn't respond within a day (hardly enough time to
> even make a
> conclusion)...I think you read way too much into
> this as you were
> obviously waiting for a baited response from her.
> >
> >Just my 2 cents worth...
> >
> >Judy Spady
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Masud Sheikh
> > To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:28 AM
> > Subject: Learning to expand our NOW
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > In the interest of expanding my "NOW", I request
> a favour/favor (being
> Canadian, I can use both spellings):
> >
> > Yesterday, I had a conflict with Therese
> Fitzpatrick, when I posted the
> following note:
> >
> > ">Funda, such an event would not be negative...it
> could be wonderful
> and life affirming.
> >
> > > And it could unleash new, positive initiatives
> in the world.
> >
> > Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
> >
> > "Would not be negative....." - Is that not highly
> judgmental, Therese -
> an opinion expressed as fact?
> >
> > Masud"
> >
> > Therese's lack of response makes it evident that
> my "NOW" did not
> contain enough space for her to respond. For those
> of you who can have
> space for my views, as well as hers, can you please
> suggest an alternative
> way of posing my comment/question?
> >
> > My best wishes
> >
> > Masud
> >
> > There is something called learning at a rather
> small level of
> organisation. At a much higher gestalt level,
> learning is called
> evolution - Gregory Bateson
> >
> >
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> > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 20:21:15 -0700
> From: Cheryl Honey <wecare at familynetwork.org>
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
> I'd like to suggest that matters pertaining to
> clarifications be made directly with individuals and
> not posted to list. Thanks....cheryl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Spady's
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Learning to expand our NOW
>
>
> Okay, I have to pipe in a bit on this one...
>
> Masud, I find it extremely ironic that the posting
> you made to Therese implies that she was being
> judgmental and then in this post you instantly jump
> to conclusions and "judge" her...hmmmm... IMHO you
> cannot factually conclude that her lack of response
> was some sort of avoidance on the issue. As Lisa
> has pointed out, there could be a zillion reasons
> why she didn't respond within a day (hardly enough
> time to even make a conclusion)...I think you read
> way too much into this as you were obviously waiting
> for a baited response from her.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth...
>
> Judy Spady
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Masud Sheikh
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:28 AM
> Subject: Learning to expand our NOW
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> In the interest of expanding my "NOW", I request
> a favour/favor (being Canadian, I can use both
> spellings):
>
> Yesterday, I had a conflict with Therese
> Fitzpatrick, when I posted the following note:
>
> ">Funda, such an event would not be
> negative...it could be wonderful and life affirming.
>
>
> > And it could unleash new, positive initiatives
> in the world.
>
> Please forgive me for reacting, Therese.
>
> "Would not be negative....." - Is that not
> highly judgmental, Therese - an opinion expressed as
> fact?
>
> Masud"
>
> Therese's lack of response makes it evident that
> my "NOW" did not contain enough space for her to
> respond. For those of you who can have space for my
> views, as well as hers, can you please suggest an
> alternative way of posing my comment/question?
>
> My best wishes
>
> Masud
>
> There is something called learning at a rather
> small level of organisation. At a much higher
> gestalt level, learning is called evolution -
> Gregory Bateson
>
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