OS and ethics

Funda Oral fundaokan at superonline.com
Mon Sep 6 05:07:16 PDT 2004


"This is also a challenge for me.....do the (my) right thing ....only for
> (my) responsibilities
> and not for "my ego" or not for (my) physical/psychological needs."

Here is a note for myself, I have just realized that

I am responsible also for "my" physical and psychological needs

----- Original Message -----
From: "Funda Oral" <fundaokan at superonline.com>
To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: OS and ethics


> "Seeing us (os-folks) as doing something esp. valuable and deciding who to
> give it to and who not to I see a big danger in that thought. Even the
idea
> of 'helping others to transform' includes the own judgment that the state
> they are in now is not okay and they should change. And it seems to
include
> seeing oneself on a 'higher' level. And that is something to be very
careful
> about, too."
>
> Dear Marei,
>
> This is also a challenge for me.....do the (my) right thing ....only for
> (my) responsibilities
> and not for "my ego" or not for (my) physical/psychological needs.
>
> Still I must act, talk and live
>
> Sometimes it is very dangerous also to say "us (os-folks)" or "me" or
> "my"....but we also have to say that with responsibility
> because we exist somehow.
>
> And we shape the world with choices and decisions we make or we don't
make.
>
> And when it's the right time I guess it is also ok "to be proud of
> something", "to share a success" of course without taking
> others'space
>
> Anyway, it is hard to explain but I just wanted to say;
>
> yes to..."being sensual" but without being afraid of living, experiencing,
> playing your role openely, by being yourself as Harrison mentioned
> somewhere,
>
> finding and defining "your" "my" "our" space again and again
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marei Kiele" <MareiKiele at web.de>
> To: <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:10 AM
> Subject: Re: OS and ethics
>
>
> > Hi folks, this is strange:
> >
> > I have been reading all these mails on 'os and ethics' today catching up
> on this list again. And with every mail I became more astonished because
the
> first sentence that came to my mind has not yet been written. Okay, now I
> do:
> >
> > "Whoever comes is the right people."
> >
> > Is that not the first principle?
> >
> > To me it is my job as a facilitator to make clear what my work / what
open
> space is about. Like inviting others to my session. And then: Be prepared
to
> be surprised - and open up to who comes. I thought open space is about
> letting go all these "should have's, could have's and would have's" and
> dealing with what is happening. Not only in an OST-meeting but in daily
life
> as well. And I deeply trust that - knowing what it is about - whoever
wants
> to do an open space is the right people.
> >
> > Can I imagine a group of people who's main interest is taking away
others
> space wanting to do their work in open space (and is that not somehow what
> all the given "bad" examples are about?). At the moment: No, I can't. But
if
> this happened - can I imagine how I would respond to such a request? At
this
> moment: No I can't. Because I am NOT in that situation NOW.
> >
> > I am dealing with my permanent daily decisions and the 'ethics' they are
> based upon. To develop my consciousness as Funda pointed out. And the more
I
> am in contact with that the more I can trust myself to do whatever feels
> right at a given moment in the future in whatever situation I may be part
> of. And then - being asked (= when it starts) - it will be the right time
to
> decide.
> >
> > I feel a bit like a lawyer in her pleading fighting for the freedom of
my
> client: open space. I admit I am self-nominated.
> >
> > Marei
> >
> >
> > Part II:
> >
> > I wrote the first part of this mail yesterday sitting in a park in
Berlin
> with my laptop and could not sent it immediately. On my way back by bike I
> wondered why I had gotten so emotional and to be true even somehow
agressive
> (this is what I then realized). And as my getting agressive always has to
do
> with the feeling of not enough space I asked myself "Why did I have the
> feeling my space was shrinking?" Here is my answer:
> >
> > In this discussion about 'ethics' I smelt some odour of moral
superiority
> (and as you can guess I am sensual to that smell because I know it from
> myself). May only be my nose but I did and this is what I reacted to.
Seeing
> us (os-folks) as doing something esp. valuable and deciding who to give it
> to and who not to - I see a big danger in that thought. Even the idea of
> 'helping others to transform' includes the own judgment that the state
they
> are in now is not okay and they should change. And it seems to include
> seeing oneself on a 'higher' level. And that is something to be very
careful
> about, too.
> >
> > That is all for the moment. Looking forward to your responses.
> >
> > Marei
> >
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