Can we be space invaders ?? - similar experiences

Wed Apr 28 04:05:00 PDT 2004

Dear Gerard,

back on the web after three weeks off I am overwhelmed by some 300 postings to be read. And more and more are coming in each day. I started answering your mail before I left but didn't have the chance to send it any more. Sorry for my being late - but I decide to write late better than not at all - loving your idea of sharing our mistakes, ups, our learnings ;-)

Opposite to Harrison I agree with you. So if I believed in the idea of space invaders (which for me is a theoratical construction I don't like very much - who decides when space is invaded and when not?) I'd say you did invade - I guess already by asking the question. Questions open. But on the other hand they lead (in german we have this saying: "Wer fragt, der führt" = "who is asking is leading"). And should not the participants of an open space be their own leaders?

You wrote:
"If there would be a good reason for this to happen, what would that reason be ??"
and 
"Why invading the space was the only thing this facilitator could do ?"

One of the many possible good reasons (and of course there was one) could have been that the facilitator felt so connected with the pain or the fear he witnessed that he couldn't wait till they found their own problem-serving-strategy. And as you said: He was totally convinced to serve the system.

Thank you for sharing. I like your two questions very much and find them very helpful for accepting what I or others are doing.

Will you be solving the riddle one day?

With love,
Marei

PS: I tried to escape without my own share - but opened up this posting before sending it out. Here it comes:

Facilitating a prepatory-meeting some weeks ago I tried to convince the planing-commitee to invite additional people by saying "I as a facilitator would include...". First I thought this was only because of my being attached to the outcome and my fearing the group might be to small for finding out the suitable theme. And later I took a deeper look into myself and discovered a second reason: I had prefered doing something else on the date we fixed and by including these new people the date would have been defered. And I didn't want to let go of my other plans without being sure the prep-meeting was going to be sucessful.
Fortunately they stayed to their own intention, we meet in a small group on the agreed-upon date and had a wonderful meeting (with conflict inside the group showing up and all the timetable going down the tubes me doing nothing but witnessing...). 

In the end it's been a great experience and learning-opportunity for me. And the group was satisfied with my work, too.

Anybody else out there with similar experiences?

Marei

"Harrison Owen" <hhowen at comcast.net> schrieb:
> I guess I see your action less as "invading the space" than as "opening the
> space." The significant thing to me is that you posed a question ("What is
> the most important topic we have forgotten?"). In my experience, questions
> open space. Statements close it. We see this happening every time we open
> space with something like -- "What are the issues and opportunities (fill in
> the blank)?" I think the atmosphere would be radically different were we to
> begin with a statement. And then when you "let go the arms of the chair" You
> offered a choice -- again another question.
> 
> I see my major role as facilitator in terms of keeping the space open, even
> when that becomes quite uncomfortable. Ordinarily this can be done without
> saying a word -- just be present and open yourself. I don't have a clue how
> this works, but I have seen it happen again and again. The folks get stuck,
> and I just sit there. I suppose they are expecting that I will "fix it" --
> but I just hang in there as a witness to the unasked question(s). Most times
> I don't even know what the question is -- most particularly when the
> operative language is one I don't understand. But there do come times when
> some more overt word or action seems to be called for -- but only after
> being a silent witness for longer than you can bare. It is a dangerous call,
> for it is quite likely that things are going on beneath the surface in ways
> that you (I) will never understand. God forbid that you jump in with an
> answer (statement) just as the folks are figuring it all out for themselves.
> But with a question, there are choices, and if you have misperceived the
> situation I find that the folks just smile at your lack of cultural
> awareness. Humbling for sure, but not fatal.
> 
> Harrison
> 
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> Subject: Can we be space invaders ??
> 
> In one of the Open Spaces I facilitated seven years ago I featured as a
> space invader.
> It took me a long time to begin to look at it that way, so here it is.
> 
> The client was a national association, the issue an internal conflict -
> basically concerning the interface between the national Board of the
> organization and the regional ones.
> 
> The chairman opened and clearly stated the issue, ending with something
> like:
> "I am convinced that if we do not solve this issue together, our
> organization could die.
>   Help us resolve it "
> 
> And everyone involved was there.
> 
> Plenty of topics on the agenda.
> Not a single one directly related to the central issue - as far as I
> could see.
> 
> After half an hour, the first participant came and complained "The most
> important topic is not on
> the agenda !". So I suggested he might put it there. "No, I am not the
> right person to do this".
> 
> Number 2, 3 and 4 came. Same story.
> To number five I said "you are the fifth who tells me you need this
> topic but that you are not the right person to put it there, I wonder
> why ?".
> More followed.
> 
> By lunch time, the situation was unchanged.
> 
> Instead of continuing to do what I was doing, I made a sign posted where
> all would pass by when returning from lunch saying "What is the most
> important topic we have forgotten ?".
> 
> Right after lunch, someone posted the missing topic (at the time I
> thought I had "helped", little did I know).
> 
> Everybody had soon left all other discussions and 70 participants were
> talking in a room I never had though could contain so many people.
> Something important was clearly going on there.
> 
> But it was the closing circle that really got me.
> The first person said "I am quite willing to say what I have to say, but
> only if the National Board promises to take me seriously"
> The second one said "I will speak, but only if everyone else promises to
> speak"
> 
> I could not help myself. I felt all that had been achieved was at risk
> of going down the drain again.
> So I forgot to hold on to the armrests of my chair and invaded the
> space.
> 
> "This morning your chairman asked your help to solve a problem. If you
> choose to continue this way, you might be back where you started from.
> Or you could choose to do something else".
> 
> I sat down again. It seemed like 140 angry eyes looked at me. There was
> a silence.
> Then, there was a constructive closing.
> 
> 
> I really like the principle "Whatever happens......" .
> I have come to develop a habit that if something happens which really
> should not have (given my expectations, statistics, what have you) to
> ask myself "If there would be a good reason for this to happen, what
> would that reason be ??
> 
> So what is your guestimate as to why invading the space was the only
> thing this facilitator could do ?
> 
> Similar experiences ?
> 
> 
> Greetings from Svenmark,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Gerard Muller
> Open Space Institute Denmark
> Phone (+45) 21269621
> gm at openspace.dk
> 
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