holding space

Douglas D. Germann, Sr. 76066.515 at compuserve.com
Thu Sep 11 19:45:32 PDT 2003 

Eva--

It seems that love can flow either way through time, so the love that you
asked for flowed to you from our now to your then.

Please tell us what you and the group did.

                              :-Doug. Germann

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>From  Thu Sep 11 21:06:50 2003
Message-Id: <THU.11.SEP.2003.210650.0700.>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:06:50 -0700
Reply-To: chris at chriscorrigan.com
To: OSLIST <OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU>
From: Chris Corrigan <chris at chriscorrigan.com>
Subject: Re: Chicago Social Forum (again) AND Conversing about..."the
 right conditions"
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Lisa's hit the nail on the head.  Breathing is a good way to do it,
because what you are doing is letting go of all that could-have-been's
and might-have-been's.

I very much like the work of Byron Katie in this respect, who invites us
not to let go of stories but to loosen ourselves up so that the stories
let go of us.  We all have little hooks that grab stories like "this
could have gone better if..."

Truth is we will never know.  I find evaluations of that sort to be
relatively unhelpful myself which is why I have reverted to using a
really simple evaluation form for Open Space.  Instead of asking
participants what would have worked better, or what worked well and what
didn't, I simply give them a piece of paper and ask them to complete the
statement "As a result of this meeting..."  What I get from that is a
really deep insight into what REALLY happened for people, and it's
always deeper than I guessed it was.

While they are filling it out, I breathe.

Chris

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lisa
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:17 AM
> To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
> Subject: Re: Chicago Social Forum (again) AND Conversing about..."the
> right conditions"
>
> Dear Alexander --
>
> You wrote:
> So my question to you is: How do you reconcile an acceptance (or
> appreciation) of what happened with an awareness of even better
> potential outcomes, in order to learn?
>
>
> My answer: you b-r-e-a-t-h-e.
>
> Anyway, that's what works for me.  If I am really struggling, a walk
is
> helpful...
>
> Cheers from foggy Berkeley,
>
> Lisa
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>From  Thu Sep 11 21:08:54 2003
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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 21:08:54 -0700
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Chile, New York, Stockholm...

Maybe we should just go from September 10 right to September 12 from now
on and skip 9/11 altogether.

Peace

Chris

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-----Original Message-----
From: OSLIST [mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU] On Behalf Of Audrey
Coward
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:47 AM
To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU
Subject: Grief and Loss

Dear Eva and my new Swenmark friends,

          May you be comforted knowing that others are thinking of you
today.

          Audrey Coward




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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Grief and =
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