convergence with "stickie dots"

Thu Mar 6 22:35:47 PST 2003

Bernd
I just read my own posting.
The way I put it, it seems to be quite wrong.
Much too generally formulated
Sorry
Bernd

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 07:50:30 +0200, WB-TrainingConsultingDevelopment wrote:
Joelle,
one thing is for shure. It has nothing to do with mathematics (if you do not use strange mathematical techniques of giving extra-weight to slightly stronger items).

Bernd

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:51:48 EST, Joelle Lyons Everett wrote:
Lisa--

This is a question I have wondered about also--but I am not a mathematician.

One phenomenon that I have observed with almost any method of convergence is
that a handful of ideas generally come to the top.  Don't know whether this
is a mathematical phenomenon or a reflection of underlying agreement in the
group, which may have been invisible up to this point.  Seems like it might
be related to the fact that the same conversation often goes on in several
breakout sessions, regardless of the posted session topic.

There are a lot of things in group dynamics which I can observe but not
explain. And I hope someone has a mathematical formula for deciding how many
dots to give out.

Joelle

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I'm with Michael. I stopped using sticky dots or the voting methods long
ago. After reports, I would ask for volunteers to step forward and sign up
to champion topics and others to sign on for action teams. Convergence, prioritization
and batching always happened organically. After the recent thread on re-opening
the space for action planning, I've shifted to doing that - means I talk
less and group does more. --BJ<br>
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Michael Herman wrote:<br>
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  <pre wrap="">yep, we did that in peoria, but for sure it's not *mine*...<br>standard user's guide stuff and the tasc software that's<br>been around forever (relatively speaking) and before i<br>arrived.<br><br>elsewhere... it seems all these weighing, voting, etc.<br>processes are asking what "should" we do.  i find more and<br>more that i'm interested in what "will" we do.  and that's<br>why i usually skip over the actual voting bit and reopen for<br>actions.  the questions i usually use are "what else? (to<br>finish lingering discussions) and what next?"  i like, too,<br>what harrison and some others mentioned at osonos this year,<br>something like "what is necessary to support this spirit,<br>action, work, project, whatever, going forward?"  this lets<br>people do all that processing and sifting in their bodies<br>rather than in the computers.  this seems what brian's<br>response of "what seems right for you" does, too.<br><br>i think the voting and the reopening can wor
k fine together,<br>as well.  i'm not sure i've ever had the time available to<br>do both.<br><br>m<br><br><br><br>"(David Koehler)" wrote:<br><br></pre>
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    <pre wrap="">Just to "weigh in" on the convergence issue. Michael<br>Herman has the best system I've seen to gather<br>priorities.  He has participants vote via computer, which<br>weights a persons ten choices in rank order.  When all are<br>done entering their picks, the software program quickly<br>tabulates the results, which can then be reported back to<br>the group before the closing circle begins.<br><br>What I observed, when he did this at an educational OS in<br>Peoria last June, is that the politics were taken out of<br>the process.  Having done the dots before, I feel that<br>in using the dot method, many people are influenced by<br>what they see their friends doing.<br><br>Maybe Michael would be willing to say more about this.<br><br>Dave Koehler * *<br>==========================================================<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU">OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU</a><br>------------------------------
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