OSW Wiki - a request for an iberian experiment (long)

[John Engle]

dear artur,

i think its a great idea. wondering how michael would
feel about setting up a space for that, just like he's
done for us in haiti, so that when people click onto
it, they are directed in their native language where
to go and what to do.

i also love the idea of one being in french. yes, i
would immediately put a message on our listserve here
- which is primarily in haitian creole but sometimes
in french - inviting people to participate in french
wiki.

john

--- Artur Ferreira da Silva <artsilva at mail.eunet.pt>
wrote:
> Dear Michael Herman,
> Dear friends of OSI-USA,
> Dear friends of this community of practitioners (of
> OST facilitation ;-)
>
> I would like to profit from the newly launched wiki
> ".net" space to conduct
> an experiment.
> In this post I will describe the experiment I want
> to try, the team I am
> creating to develop it, and some fundamental reasons
> that underlie my
> proposal.
>
> I will wait for your comments and a decision from
> the people responsible
> before beginning the experiment.
>
> First, I would like to say that I think that the new
> wiki-site is a major
> improvement in the right direction as, contrarily to
> the old ".org" site,
> it allows for the co-creation of the site from the
> all community. So, what
> we have been doing in this list, mainly for the
> subscribers of it, can now
> be also done in a site that will remain OPEN to all
> the world.
>
> But for that site to be really OPEN to the world,
> and not have some
> implicit "givens" (how I hate this word...) that are
> unspoken and
> invisible, it must be directed to many nations and
> languages and not be
> written in English-only - as if it this language had
> been "given" to us by
> an English-speaking-God that, in the sixth day,
> created the English
> language - even before that language was created by
> human beings, that have
> also created many other languages, before and after
> that.
>
> As you all now, Iberian languages (Portuguese,
> Spanish or Castellan, Galego
> - part of Spain to the north of Portugal, including
> Coruna and the
> "Santiago way") and Catalan - Barcelona, and
> surroundings - even if that
> last one is somehow between Castellan and French)
> are very similar.
>
> Normally the speakers of one of those languages can
> understand the others
> in written (not necessarily when it is spoken -
> especially if it is a
> Portuguese speaking Portuguese that the others will
> not normally
> understood, not even in Brasil). And those languages
> include not only the
> small Iberian Peninsula in Europe, but also all the
> South-America, 5
> countries in Africa and now also East-Timor - not to
> speak of Macao,
> Malacca or Goa, where there are also small traces).
> A good part of the world…
>
> The idea is to create an Iberian wiki-place in the
> wiki
> "openspaceworld.net" site, dedicated to Open Space
> in Iberian languages -
> Espaço Aberto/Espacio Abierto. I have now a group of
> some OST facilitators
> and others interested in OST in Portugal and Brasil,
> and one Spanish
> speaker that are interested in teaming for that
> purpose. I have also made a
> call to two lists in Spanish (one in Spain and the
> other in South American)
> and I am waiting for answers. I am now asking other
> Portuguese or Spanish
> speakers in the OSLIST to join the effort.
>
> The call was more general and aimed at the creation
> of an
> iberian-cyberspace, but I think that OST and the
> OST-wiki could be the good
> place to begin the idea. After all, our entire
> subject is OPEN SPACE and in
> this list other languages are allowed, as Chris
> recently reminded me. On
> the other hand, if I understood well, the structure
> of the wiki makes this
> easy to implement and not confusing
> to visitors, as people that see a link in
> Portuguese/Spanish (or Haitian
> Creole) will not follow that link or they can always
> go backward.
>
> The fact that the cyberspace is mainly
> English-speaking is something that
> is suffocating for the natives of other languages,
> as they never can
> express themselves correctly, even in communities,
> like our own, that
> accept other languages and "bad English" from
> non-English speakers. And
> never means never - even for the ones that have a
> good command of English
> as a second language. And a lot of people - believe
> it or not - don’t speak
> English at all.
>
> Now, what do the others think?
>
> Warm regards
>
> Artur
>
> PS: this doesn’t mean that I will not contribute in
> English to this list or
> the English part of the wiki site, and, Michael, I
> didn’t forgot that you
> asked me to write the call for research papers on
> OSO...
>
> PPS: And, if the idea is accepted, my team begins to
> be large enough, so
> that I can spare a team member whose first language
> is French - Veronique -
> who also made the French translation for the old
> site - to join a French
> speaking similar team if that team will be created -
> with people from
> France, Belgium, Quebec, the African French speaking
> countries, etc. Maybe
> John may also ask some Haitians from the Creole site
> (congratulations on
> that, John) to join a French team.
>
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