Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)

[Birgitt Williams]

Hello Artur,
and I apologize for the mistake in how I spelled your name.  For me, the
word "givens" is not of importance so much as the conceptual constructs that
are in the being of the facilitator and in what he/she communicates to the
organization.

Blessings,
Birgitt

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Subject: Re: Givens (was: Already-thereness, Empowerment and Such)


Hello Birgitt

At 21:02 18-02-2003 -0500, Birgitt Williams wrote:

>Arthur,

Sorry to begin with this, but may I ask that you spell my name as "Artur".
My ancestors have been romanized many centuries ago, and I wouldn't like be
"anglicized" (or "americanized") now...

>I accept responsibility for introducing the concept of "givens" into the
>preparation of facilitating an OST meeting. I like what Chris Corrigan
wrote
>about the real work of the "givens" is to get at the holes in the
>assumptions about and perceived "givens", which are not "givens" at all.

I have already answered to Chris and I think that we are all in agreement
about the essential. But if the givens "are not givens at all", may I ask
why some of you call them "givens"? (And, of course, this is not personal -
I am trying to understand if the g-word is the correct one and not to blame
the person who has first introduced it in the OST jargon, even if that
could be determined...)


>IOn this list, we often write about all of the wonders of an OST meeting. I
>have spent considerable time for over a decade following what happens
>following an OST meeting. And it is not always a happy story. I have been
>told on this list that the follow up is really none of our business.

I think that there are at least two flavours in our "Community of Practice"
- some consider themselves mainly as "OSF facilitators"; some consider
that, in addition, they are also consultants in the domain of the "Open
Organizations" or "Open Space Organizations". And I think that some of us
consider them, in addition to that, but more generally, to be facilitators
for an "Open Society" or an "Open Space World" (a third flavor).

Speaking for myself, I think that all those flavors are within the scope of
this list. And I followed very attentively your report of your old
experience with an OSO and surely would like to know more about more recent
experiences with "Open Space Organizations".

Regards

Artur

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