self organizing systems and world peace

[Laurel and Rick]

How beautifully put, Florian.  From a spiritual perspective, one might argue that putting value judgements on war as "bad" and peace as "good" is very much within our very limited human ability to understand the great processes in the universe.  If one believes, as I do, that we choose our human experience, then those who are engaged in or affected by war are merely experiencing what their soul has come to this plane of existence to experience.  What is, is.  Although we may individually and collectively aspire to world peace, perhaps the universe has other plans.  That's what draws me to OST - the very notion that whatever happens is the only thing that could.  I don't remember anything in the principles about world peace.  (But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I am not appalled by the horrors of war, only that I can't presume to understand why things happen the way they do.)

Laurel.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: florian fischer 
  To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:34 AM
  Subject: Re: self organizing systems and world peace


    
  Birgitt Williams schrieb: 


    -----"if Open Space is a self organizing system, 
    why don't we have world peace? 
      
    -----"if Open Space is a self organizing system, 
    why are so many of us on the list working 
    as consultants who facilitate Open Space Technology meetings 
    and thereby interfere in a self organizing system?" 
     

  dear birgitt, 
  let me think about your two questions. 
  if we agree that the universe, including our world, 
  is a self organizing system 
  we have to accept, that in fact every  happens is self organized. 

  if there is peace its the only thing which could happen: self organized. 
  if there is war its the only thing which could happen: self organized. 

  we have to accept that very world, because there is no other one, 
  not like it is, because it is not , but it is steadily unfolding itself 
  as a prozess, not asking us wether we enjoy it or not. 

  our doing as facilitators and consultants is part of 
  the selforganized process of the display of the world. 

  i'm afraid to accept that it is totally not our personal decision 
  to work as facilitators in OST-meetings. it happens selforganized, 
  we serve as  part of a wideranged systemical process. 

  under  systemical aspect our doing is connected 
  as well as bad with peace as with war. well, there is a difference 
  and there is a distance between, we are more or less 
  pending to one or another direction within the complex space, 
  but we are part of the selforganized process, connected, involved, 
  reponsible to all, all, all which happens and to all who are acting. 

  without our doing the system would show a void. 
  let us go on in passion, patience and responsibility 
  pending for peace. 

  (hoping my english works so far) 
  florian 

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: florian fischer 
  To: OSLIST at LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: self organizing systems and world peace


    
  Jeff Aitken schrieb: 

    .Here's a bit of research on shalom. 
    dear jeff,  thank you so much. 
    that profound wonderful description about shalom/peace 
    seems just about something which can never be reached. 
    and just that is the reason which makes us 
    running an looking and yearning, and makes us working as facilitators. 
    to get a state which is to reach would happen easily "selforganized". 
    but to move on to a state which not ever can be reached, that needs to be 
    facilitated to make us believe that it is selforganized. ????? 
    florian 
     

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