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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">How beautifully put, Florian. >From a
spiritual perspective, one might argue that putting value judgements on war as
"bad" and peace as "good" is very much within our very limited human
ability to understand the great processes in the universe. If one
believes, as I do, that we choose our human experience, then those who are
engaged in or affected by war are merely experiencing what their soul has come
to this plane of existence to experience. What is, is. Although we
may individually and collectively aspire to world peace, perhaps the universe
has other plans. That's what draws me to OST - the very notion that
whatever happens is the only thing that could. I don't remember anything
in the principles about world peace. (But don't get me wrong, I'm not
saying I am not appalled by the horrors of war, only that I can't presume to
understand why things happen the way they do.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Laurel.</FONT></DIV>
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title=florianfischer@ff-wey.com>florian fischer</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:34
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: self organizing systems and
world peace</DIV>
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<P>Birgitt Williams schrieb:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"><BR>-----"if Open Space is a self organizing system,
<BR><B>why </B>don't we have world peace? <BR>
<P>-----"if Open Space is a self organizing system, <BR><B>why</B> are so
many of us on the list working <BR>as consultants who facilitate Open Space
Technology meetings <BR>and thereby interfere in a self organizing system?"
<BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>dear birgitt, <BR>let me think about your two
questions.
<P>if we agree that the universe, including our world, <BR>is a self
organizing system <BR>we have to accept, that in fact every happens is
self organized.
<P>if there is peace its the only thing which could happen: self organized.
<BR>if there is war its the only thing which could happen: self organized.
<P>we have to accept that very world, because there is no other one, <BR>not
like it <U>is</U>, because it <U>is</U> not , but it is steadily unfolding
itself <BR><U>as a prozess</U>, not asking us wether we enjoy it or not.
<P>our doing as facilitators and consultants is part of <BR>the selforganized
process of the display of the world.
<P>i'm afraid to accept that it is totally not our personal decision <BR>to
work as facilitators in OST-meetings. it happens selforganized, <BR>we serve
as part of a wideranged systemical process.
<P>under systemical aspect our doing is connected <BR>as well as bad
with peace as with war. well, there is a difference <BR>and there is a
distance between, we are more or less <BR>pending to one or another direction
within the complex space, <BR>but we are part of the selforganized process,
connected, involved, <BR>reponsible to all, all, all which happens and to all
who are acting.
<P>without our doing the system would show a void. <BR>let us go on in
passion, patience and responsibility <BR>pending for peace.
<P>(hoping my english works so far) <BR>florian
<P>florian fischer <BR>begleitung im wandel <BR>muenchener 6 <BR>10779 berlin
<BR>fon 0049.30. 2116752 <BR>fax 0049.30. 2115943
<BR>florianfischer@ff-wey.com <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>
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title=florianfischer@ff-wey.com>florian fischer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:OSLIST@LISTSERV.BOISESTATE.EDU"
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:08
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: self organizing systems and
world peace</DIV>
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<P>Jeff Aitken schrieb:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">.Here's a bit of research on shalom.
<P>dear jeff, thank you so much. <BR>that profound wonderful
description about <B>shalom/peace</B> <BR>seems just about something which
can never be reached. <BR>and just that is the reason which makes us
<BR>running an looking and yearning, and makes us working as facilitators.
<BR>to get a state which is to reach would happen easily "selforganized".
<BR>but to move on to a state which not ever can be reached, that needs to
be <BR>facilitated to make us believe that it is selforganized. ?????
<BR>florian <BR> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>